Originally posted by Traya
Meh, I know too little about either of them to give any accurate judgement.Nothing suggests she has a "recharge" time for it. Stop clutching at straws and actually come up with an argument, before IKC pwns you again...
1. You have no idea what a straw man argument is.
2. IKC needs to find himself a more intelligent *****, not one who makes a fool out of himself/herself when she posts things she has no concept of.
Originally posted by Illustrious
Whether or not she can use it without the Exile nearby is irrelevant for my purpose, considering tdtd automatically brought up the instakill without regard to anything else. The point I made had nothing to do with Traya vs. Kyp and Kyle, it had to do with the love/hate affair for NJO/DN.Ragnos' scepter being used is dubious. Tavion was using the force energy stored within it to energize Ragnos prior to Jaden walking in, we do not know of the force power of the blast itself. Also, there's the distinct possibility that the dark side ending is uncanon.
Illustrious, I'm not sure what you mean, but if you are talking about the scepters power "after" Ragnos was revived there are two things about it......
1. In the darkside ending where he uses the energy against Kyle, Tavion never used the force inside it to revive Ragnos.
2. Right after Kyle was hit by the scepters beam Jaden used it to tear down the roof and a wall, so clearly it was still really powerfull. But if you're point was "exactly" how effective it is against a human being or a livling creature then I don't know really, but since it tore down walls easily we can guess..... (Note that Kyle used the force before getting hit by the scepters beam).
Kreia's instakill is similar to Nihilus draning technique, it kills the targets and drain there whole bodys, even from the force. If you walk up to the jedi masters bodys in KOTOR 2 it says that there bodies are "drained of all life, worse than dead", or something like that. So I doubt Kyle or Kyp would be able to survive it, "If Kreia is able to do it at will".
But because the darkside ending is not canon, does that necessarily mean Kyle can't take a blast from the scepter? He has shown to be able to do so in the "what if Jaden went to the darkside" ending...
Their techniques look exactly the same when they use it, and it has exactly the same effect on force users as far as Kreia has described Nihilus power and showed her own....
Originally posted by kamikz
But because the darkside ending is not canon, does that necessarily mean Kyle can't take a blast from the scepter? He has shown to be able to do so in the "what if Jaden went to the darkside" ending...Their techniques look exactly the same when they use it, and it has exactly the same effect on force users as far as Kreia has described Nihilus power and showed her own....
Not necessarily since absence of proof isn't proof of absence, but dark side isn't canon so there's no way you can say that he can. Their techniques do different things, and Nihilus' is on a much greater scale, and there's no way to tell if she can throw it out anytime she wants.
I know there's a possibility that she can't throw it out at any time but it is pretty similar to Nihilus technique.
But since the darkside ending showed that Kyle was capable of surviving it, and since there is no difference between lightside ending Kyle and darkside ending Kyle, then you could as well say that Kyle has the ability to survive it.
Originally posted by kamikz
I know there's a possibility that she can't throw it out at any time but it is pretty similar to Nihilus technique.But since the darkside ending showed that Kyle was capable of surviving it, and since there is no difference between lightside ending Kyle and darkside ending Kyle, then you could as well say that Kyle has the ability to survive it.
What do you mean there's no difference, in the light side ending Kyle doesn't even get shot with Ragnos' Scepter. Storyline wise the light side ending is canon, meaning the dark side ending shouldn't even be considered, no matter what happened as it isn't canon in the least bit. And again I must emphasize the fact that Traya's technique isn't the same thing as Nihilus', because Nihilus' technique wasn't a technique at all, it was who he was. He ATE the force, because he was the direct result of the wound in the force, so it's not like it was an uber force power, nor was it an active power. You shoot something at him, he will naturally "eat" it. Traya's technique was indeed a force technique whether or not she needed the exile.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
Meh, she can win with her instantkill, but really, should it be included? It's nature is too unknown at this point.Without it, she's about on par with Kyp in force abilities. But with Kyle there it gets difficult for her. I don't see her taking this.
What makes you presume that she is on par with Kyp in force abilities? What exactly puts her on par with them? A better question would be, what is Traya without her instakill.
Originally posted by tdtd
What do you mean there's no difference, in the light side ending Kyle doesn't even get shot with Ragnos' Scepter. Storyline wise the light side ending is canon, meaning the dark side ending shouldn't even be considered, no matter what happened as it isn't canon in the least bit. And again I must emphasize the fact that Traya's technique isn't the same thing as Nihilus', because Nihilus' technique wasn't a technique at all, it was who he was. He ATE the force, because he was the direct result of the wound in the force, so it's not like it was an uber force power, nor was it an active power. You shoot something at him, he will naturally "eat" it. Traya's technique was indeed a force technique whether or not she needed the exile.
But it has almost exactly the same result as Nihilus eating so.....
Where is the proof that Jaden didn't go to the darkside anyway?
The proof is that light side endings are canon, dark side are not.. Consult google for more information. And you're still not understanding the difference between Nihilus and Traya. Traya's was a technique, while with Nihilus, it was more about who he was than anything else. Try throwing something at him while he's asleep, he will most likely eat it, because he can't be destroyed by the force, only by the one who created him(The Exile).
I'm not saying that Kreia can drain the force like Nihilus can, just that the technique she used had the same effect on the jedi masters as Nihilus had on everyone. (Drained their bodys from the force). The most likley explanation is that she used the Exile since he is similar to Nihilus. And give me a quote or a link where it says that the lightside is canon please...
Can you tell me why he absorbs everything, even when he's not awake? (Nihilus)
Originally posted by kamikz
I'm not saying that Kreia can drain the force like Nihilus can, just that the technique she used had the same effect on the jedi masters as Nihilus had on everyone. (Drained their bodys from the force). The most likley explanation is that she used the Exile since he is similar to Nihilus. And give me a quote or a link where it says that the lightside is canon please...Can you tell me why he absorbs everything, even when he's not awake? (Nihilus)
Because he's a fluke, because he's pretty much the force, and throwing more force attacks at him makes him stronger..
Go to google and type in "is dark side ending canon". You'll get a whole bunch of crap explaining that light side ending is canon, and dark side ending is "alternative".
What the?
Traya refers to what she and Nihilus developed as attack sthat "cannot be learned" and from "which there is no defense." Pray tell me how Durron will defend himself against such a technique, when he has never faced an ancient sith lord. Katarn would be pwned relatively quickly, me thinks, but Durron may hold in there.
http://www.answers.com/topic/jedi-exile is one link.. I can provide more if you want... And zephiel nothing suggests that she could use her instakill anytime she wants or without the exile..