That was so........much.......better than mine.......that,,,,,,suicide......is.... my.......only......option...j/p.
As a magneto fanboy, i am cutting and pasting your entire post to read later.
Bravo Spetz.
Makes me wanna look into advanced science.
But really man, talk about science beyond my years. I am truly humbled by the brilliance of this post.
But quick question.
Can't GL simply cure the genetic mutations of all mutants on the field??
Originally posted by spetznaz
Funny thread, but I’ll bite. LOL.Alright, you’ve given me the following characters:
- Superman
- Magneto
- IceMan
- Human torch
- Jean GrayIn essence a pretty powerful bunch.
However ‘my’ team is facing a pretty powerful bunch of characters, ranging from arguably the most powerful Green Lantern, a Norse deity, and a high level psionic, plus an energy absorber and Magma.So how could my team do it?
Well, they could try the force versus force approach, whereby a member of my team faces an opposing member from the other team (and arguably my team can be able to pull a win that way, although it would be a hard fight and open to too much debate).My team could also opt for the ‘tried and true’ approach. For instance it would be as simple as having Superman blitz Cable first, then several picaseconds later take out Bishop and Magma; thus leaving Hal Jordan and Thor for the rest of my team to pile on.
But that is too linear.Thus I’d have my team take an unorthodox approach, and not only that but one that is a tad bit harder than the ‘tried and true approach.’ Moreover this methodology would lead to the potential destruction of the solar system.
Furthermore my plan would have all but one of my team perishing, as well as the entire population of this planet, plus killing any members of the other team that did not have Hal Jordan whisk them out to the next galaxy pronto!Weird plan …..but as long as one of my members is present in the vicinity that was once earth, and as long as the other members cannot come back, I technically win.
No opposition left!Anyways, here’s my plan:
I would have Superman whisk all of my team to the magnetic north pole of the earth, which he should be able to do in a second or two at the most.
Once there I would have Magneto levitate up to a height of 20 feet, and then extend his most powerful magnetic field in a semi-circle below him (and he would tap into the magnetic field of the earth as an augmentation to his own power, in much the same way he tapped into the earth’s magnetic field to create a planet-wide EMP surge in that comic where he basically knocked out every single electric/electronic device in the world in an instant).
Anyways, Erick is unleashing the most powerful magnetic field he has ever created beneath him ….as well as around him.At this point the Torch goes supernova! Why? For no reason apart from creating nice fireworks. 🙂
Immediately below him, encircled by the field (say at a radius of 20 feet as well ….has to be tight) stand Jean Grey and IceMan facing each other.
IceMan opens his mind to Jean Grey, and she untaps his raw potential ….think of it as the most potent form of biofeedback training imaginable ….a ‘quasi-peptalk’ by one of the most powerful telepaths around.
Bobby goes insane and immediately drops the temperature within the magnetic field to absolute zero, in other words zero Kelvin. Obviously Jean Grey is dead now.What just happened within the magnetic sphere?
What happened is that the characteristics necessary for the Meissner-Ochsenfeld effect were just created, and hence one of the requirements of a superconductor just fell into place.At this point (say 15 seconds after Jean Grey triggered the ‘IceMan event’) Superman starts to fly around Magneto (who, remember, is levitating 20 feet above the ground and exerting the most powerful magnetic field in his life).
Superman starts to travel at a speed that is a sliver away from lightspeed in a perfect circle around the magnetic field. At such speeds he’d probably need 2 or 3 circles around Magneto’s field for what I plan to take effect.What just happened outside of the magnetic sphere?
The most powerful electromagnet in the world was created, and due to the M-O effect beneath Magneto’s field this effect is even further enhanced.Meaning of this?
Well, huge electrical surges are created. The most powerful accelerator on earth (at CERN in Geneva Switzerland) has been able to produce 100 billion electron volts of energy (due to collusions inside, but this were extremely small and instantaneous). 100 billion electron volts is equal to a temperature of a 1,000 trillion degrees.
This was the temperature of the universe when it was 10-12 seconds old.My version will create far more temperature than this, and thus the heat produced will be greater than that produced at the CERN accelerator (plus it will last for longer, and not be due to the collusions of sub-atomic particles).
If the heat is intense enough, it will be at the level that the universe was at 10-10 seconds after the universe was created.
At that point, and that temperature, the four forces that exist are now three (the electromagnetic force has joined with the weak force, and then there is the strong force and gravity).
Two things might occur:
Option 1:
Magneto will have progressed far beyond the control of mere magnetism into wielding all 4 forces ….or in this case all 3. He will be a walking singularity.
Anyone facing him is toast.
You are looking at someone at the level of classic Beyonder now.Option 2 (my favorite):
At such temperatures things are so hot that the strong force can barely hold together a proton and a neutron. In other words hydrogen (the strong force could also be able to bring a proton and 2 neutrons to form the nucleus of ‘heavy’ hydrogen).
Anyways, that will be the only element existing all around, and with the intense temperatures solar ignition will occur.
Guess who will be left at the heart of this ‘new’ sun ……Superman.
Guess what happens when Superman is in the midst of such a sun?Conclusion:
My entire team (apart from 2 people in option one – Magneto and Superman, or one person in option 2 – Superman) is annihilated.
The entire earth is gone.
The moon is gone.
Every single person is gone.
My opposing team is gone (if it remained on earth for the last 30 seconds or so), or if Hal took them beyond our solar system, they cannot return.If they return they will face either Magneto (in his current form it might as well be the Beyonder), or they will face Superman at the heart of his own sun.
They come ....they die.
They stay away ....the lose.
Note ....10-12 seconds should have been 10 raised to -12, but for some reason that is not working.
Thus 10-12 is actually 0.000000000001 of a second.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Wow. You had better not just be making stuff up. 😛
LOL. Check it out.
The only change i would make is that 10-12 stuff I explained in the post above (it is 10 raised to -12, but I don't know how to put it in that format on the forum).
Everything else is kosher.
Obviously in the real world it is NOT possible, but if there was a Superman and a Magneto and a dude made of ice who can freeze things to 0 Kelvin ....then theoretically there might be a monkey in this banana tree.
🙂
Originally posted by spetznazZero degrees Kelvin is a theoretical number, the Universe's natural radiation makes the temperature at least 3 dergrees above that.
LOL. Check it out.The only change i would make is that 10-12 stuff I explained in the post above (it is 10 raised to -12, but I don't know how to put it in that format on the forum).
Everything else is kosher.
Obviously in the real world it is NOT possible, but if there was a Superman and a Magneto and a dude made of ice who can freeze things to 0 Kelvin ....then theoretically there might be a monkey in this banana tree.🙂
Originally posted by spetznaz
Funny thread, but I’ll bite. LOL.Alright, you’ve given me the following characters:
- Superman
- Magneto
- IceMan
- Human torch
- Jean GrayIn essence a pretty powerful bunch.
However ‘my’ team is facing a pretty powerful bunch of characters, ranging from arguably the most powerful Green Lantern, a Norse deity, and a high level psionic, plus an energy absorber and Magma.So how could my team do it?
Well, they could try the force versus force approach, whereby a member of my team faces an opposing member from the other team (and arguably my team can be able to pull a win that way, although it would be a hard fight and open to too much debate).My team could also opt for the ‘tried and true’ approach. For instance it would be as simple as having Superman blitz Cable first, then several picaseconds later take out Bishop and Magma; thus leaving Hal Jordan and Thor for the rest of my team to pile on.
But that is too linear.Thus I’d have my team take an unorthodox approach, and not only that but one that is a tad bit harder than the ‘tried and true approach.’ Moreover this methodology would lead to the potential destruction of the solar system.
Furthermore my plan would have all but one of my team perishing, as well as the entire population of this planet, plus killing any members of the other team that did not have Hal Jordan whisk them out to the next galaxy pronto!Weird plan …..but as long as one of my members is present in the vicinity that was once earth, and as long as the other members cannot come back, I technically win.
No opposition left!Anyways, here’s my plan:
I would have Superman whisk all of my team to the magnetic north pole of the earth, which he should be able to do in a second or two at the most.
Once there I would have Magneto levitate up to a height of 20 feet, and then extend his most powerful magnetic field in a semi-circle below him (and he would tap into the magnetic field of the earth as an augmentation to his own power, in much the same way he tapped into the earth’s magnetic field to create a planet-wide EMP surge in that comic where he basically knocked out every single electric/electronic device in the world in an instant).
Anyways, Erick is unleashing the most powerful magnetic field he has ever created beneath him ….as well as around him.At this point the Torch goes supernova! Why? For no reason apart from creating nice fireworks. 🙂
Immediately below him, encircled by the field (say at a radius of 20 feet as well ….has to be tight) stand Jean Grey and IceMan facing each other.
IceMan opens his mind to Jean Grey, and she untaps his raw potential ….think of it as the most potent form of biofeedback training imaginable ….a ‘quasi-peptalk’ by one of the most powerful telepaths around.
Bobby goes insane and immediately drops the temperature within the magnetic field to absolute zero, in other words zero Kelvin. Obviously Jean Grey is dead now.What just happened within the magnetic sphere?
What happened is that the characteristics necessary for the Meissner-Ochsenfeld effect were just created, and hence one of the requirements of a superconductor just fell into place.At this point (say 15 seconds after Jean Grey triggered the ‘IceMan event’) Superman starts to fly around Magneto (who, remember, is levitating 20 feet above the ground and exerting the most powerful magnetic field in his life).
Superman starts to travel at a speed that is a sliver away from lightspeed in a perfect circle around the magnetic field. At such speeds he’d probably need 2 or 3 circles around Magneto’s field for what I plan to take effect.What just happened outside of the magnetic sphere?
The most powerful electromagnet in the world was created, and due to the M-O effect beneath Magneto’s field this effect is even further enhanced.Meaning of this?
Well, huge electrical surges are created. The most powerful accelerator on earth (at CERN in Geneva Switzerland) has been able to produce 100 billion electron volts of energy (due to collusions inside, but this were extremely small and instantaneous). 100 billion electron volts is equal to a temperature of a 1,000 trillion degrees.
This was the temperature of the universe when it was 10-12 seconds old.My version will create far more temperature than this, and thus the heat produced will be greater than that produced at the CERN accelerator (plus it will last for longer, and not be due to the collusions of sub-atomic particles).
If the heat is intense enough, it will be at the level that the universe was at 10-10 seconds after the universe was created.
At that point, and that temperature, the four forces that exist are now three (the electromagnetic force has joined with the weak force, and then there is the strong force and gravity).
Two things might occur:
Option 1:
Magneto will have progressed far beyond the control of mere magnetism into wielding all 4 forces ….or in this case all 3. He will be a walking singularity.
Anyone facing him is toast.
You are looking at someone at the level of classic Beyonder now.Option 2 (my favorite):
At such temperatures things are so hot that the strong force can barely hold together a proton and a neutron. In other words hydrogen (the strong force could also be able to bring a proton and 2 neutrons to form the nucleus of ‘heavy’ hydrogen).
Anyways, that will be the only element existing all around, and with the intense temperatures solar ignition will occur.
Guess who will be left at the heart of this ‘new’ sun ……Superman.
Guess what happens when Superman is in the midst of such a sun?Conclusion:
My entire team (apart from 2 people in option one – Magneto and Superman, or one person in option 2 – Superman) is annihilated.
The entire earth is gone.
The moon is gone.
Every single person is gone.
My opposing team is gone (if it remained on earth for the last 30 seconds or so), or if Hal took them beyond our solar system, they cannot return.If they return they will face either Magneto (in his current form it might as well be the Beyonder), or they will face Superman at the heart of his own sun.
They come ....they die.
They stay away ....the lose.
First I will address your plan and then I will state my plan (may have to do it in two posts depending on length)
To begin with I must thank you for killing off most of your team in a pointless and doomed attack 👆 . While attempting to turn Magneto into a giant superconductor certainly earns you points for originality, it will not in actuality work as you will have killed him trying to implement you plan.
It is very important to remember that despite his ideological viewpoint, Magneto is essentially a human being and as such is still limited by his relatively human physiology. It will no longer be possible for him to remain alive much less breathe once you have Iceman drop the temperature inside of his forcefield to absolute zero (he would die along with Jean Grey).
Also keep in mind that the level of output you are suggesting would far more likely burn his body out from the strain (iirc continuous heavy use of his powers have caused him extreme physical exhaustion and some damage before). Either by being frozen by Iceman, burned out by the attempting to wield such a large amount of power (also simply having access to a large amount will not allow him to transcend his human body), or from having the air sucked out of his lungs from Superman's light-speed vortex (Storm has done so with much slower winds) Magneto is dead along with Jean Grey and the Human torch.
In addition, there isn't enough hydrogen on the planet Earth to create or sustain a "new sun" and neither is that which we do have (most locked in the oceans) concentrated in a single place. In other words a great deal of heat does not a star or continuous thermonuclear fusion make. However we are dealing with comic book superpowers so let us assume that 1. Magneto will survive and 2. you succeed in creating a star out of the planet earth. What is the problem here? Well, the smallest type of star you can create (and the earth would form a very small star) would be of the red-orange variety (which typically have about 0.3 times the mass of our sun). Superman would quickly lose his powers as he is engulfed by red sunlight and soon die.
At most after you attempt you will have Iceman and Superman left alive which will not be much of a challenge as Cable can use telepathy against Bobby and Superman would get taken down by Hal and Thor.
My Plan:
Like you I will dismiss the speed blitz as a poor debating tactic 😖hifty:
Of course there is the Celestial jarring Godblast that could destroy the planet and most of your team (mine could be evacuated to space and protected by Hal) or the mano-a-mano type of match we typically see but let's try something a little different.
First I will have Hal stop time around my team as the fight begins (your team will likely just then be getting to the North Pole at this point and he has stopped time before). I will then proceed to use my elemental to her best effect. Cable will use his unlimited amount of time to telepathically train Magma in the use of her powers thereby granting her control over nearly the entire planet.
Magma will then exit the time bubble, enter the planet, and stop the earth's core from spinning (thereby eliminating the earth's magnetic field and a potential power source for Magneto). While still in the time bubble my team continues their preparations. Hal generates both red sunlight and kryptonite radiation which Thor proceeds to absorb into his hammer to deal with Superman while Cable trains Bishop the same why he did Magma.
The team then quickly proceeds North arriving at the same time that Magma causes a giant eruption under the feat of your team killing Jean Grey and the Human Torch (her tk isn't strong enough to resist that level of explosion and neither is his durability). .Cable to mind rape Iceman and add him to my team. So that means I now have Iceman, Magma, Bishop, Cable, Hal, and Thor with a k-nite and red sunlight charged magic hammer against Superman and Magneto sans a power source.
I believe my team would take a majority.
Originally posted by spetznaz
Funny thread, but I’ll bite. LOL.Alright, you’ve given me the following characters:
- Superman
- Magneto
- IceMan
- Human torch
- Jean GrayIn essence a pretty powerful bunch.
However ‘my’ team is facing a pretty powerful bunch of characters, ranging from arguably the most powerful Green Lantern, a Norse deity, and a high level psionic, plus an energy absorber and Magma.So how could my team do it?
Well, they could try the force versus force approach, whereby a member of my team faces an opposing member from the other team (and arguably my team can be able to pull a win that way, although it would be a hard fight and open to too much debate).My team could also opt for the ‘tried and true’ approach. For instance it would be as simple as having Superman blitz Cable first, then several picaseconds later take out Bishop and Magma; thus leaving Hal Jordan and Thor for the rest of my team to pile on.
But that is too linear.Thus I’d have my team take an unorthodox approach, and not only that but one that is a tad bit harder than the ‘tried and true approach.’ Moreover this methodology would lead to the potential destruction of the solar system.
Furthermore my plan would have all but one of my team perishing, as well as the entire population of this planet, plus killing any members of the other team that did not have Hal Jordan whisk them out to the next galaxy pronto!Weird plan …..but as long as one of my members is present in the vicinity that was once earth, and as long as the other members cannot come back, I technically win.
No opposition left!Anyways, here’s my plan:
I would have Superman whisk all of my team to the magnetic north pole of the earth, which he should be able to do in a second or two at the most.
Once there I would have Magneto levitate up to a height of 20 feet, and then extend his most powerful magnetic field in a semi-circle below him (and he would tap into the magnetic field of the earth as an augmentation to his own power, in much the same way he tapped into the earth’s magnetic field to create a planet-wide EMP surge in that comic where he basically knocked out every single electric/electronic device in the world in an instant).
Anyways, Erick is unleashing the most powerful magnetic field he has ever created beneath him ….as well as around him.At this point the Torch goes supernova! Why? For no reason apart from creating nice fireworks. 🙂
Immediately below him, encircled by the field (say at a radius of 20 feet as well ….has to be tight) stand Jean Grey and IceMan facing each other.
IceMan opens his mind to Jean Grey, and she untaps his raw potential ….think of it as the most potent form of biofeedback training imaginable ….a ‘quasi-peptalk’ by one of the most powerful telepaths around.
Bobby goes insane and immediately drops the temperature within the magnetic field to absolute zero, in other words zero Kelvin. Obviously Jean Grey is dead now.What just happened within the magnetic sphere?
What happened is that the characteristics necessary for the Meissner-Ochsenfeld effect were just created, and hence one of the requirements of a superconductor just fell into place.At this point (say 15 seconds after Jean Grey triggered the ‘IceMan event’) Superman starts to fly around Magneto (who, remember, is levitating 20 feet above the ground and exerting the most powerful magnetic field in his life).
Superman starts to travel at a speed that is a sliver away from lightspeed in a perfect circle around the magnetic field. At such speeds he’d probably need 2 or 3 circles around Magneto’s field for what I plan to take effect.What just happened outside of the magnetic sphere?
The most powerful electromagnet in the world was created, and due to the M-O effect beneath Magneto’s field this effect is even further enhanced.Meaning of this?
Well, huge electrical surges are created. The most powerful accelerator on earth (at CERN in Geneva Switzerland) has been able to produce 100 billion electron volts of energy (due to collusions inside, but this were extremely small and instantaneous). 100 billion electron volts is equal to a temperature of a 1,000 trillion degrees.
This was the temperature of the universe when it was 10-12 seconds old.My version will create far more temperature than this, and thus the heat produced will be greater than that produced at the CERN accelerator (plus it will last for longer, and not be due to the collusions of sub-atomic particles).
If the heat is intense enough, it will be at the level that the universe was at 10-10 seconds after the universe was created.
At that point, and that temperature, the four forces that exist are now three (the electromagnetic force has joined with the weak force, and then there is the strong force and gravity).
Two things might occur:
Option 1:
Magneto will have progressed far beyond the control of mere magnetism into wielding all 4 forces ….or in this case all 3. He will be a walking singularity.
Anyone facing him is toast.
You are looking at someone at the level of classic Beyonder now.Option 2 (my favorite):
At such temperatures things are so hot that the strong force can barely hold together a proton and a neutron. In other words hydrogen (the strong force could also be able to bring a proton and 2 neutrons to form the nucleus of ‘heavy’ hydrogen).
Anyways, that will be the only element existing all around, and with the intense temperatures solar ignition will occur.
Guess who will be left at the heart of this ‘new’ sun ……Superman.
Guess what happens when Superman is in the midst of such a sun?Conclusion:
My entire team (apart from 2 people in option one – Magneto and Superman, or one person in option 2 – Superman) is annihilated.
The entire earth is gone.
The moon is gone.
Every single person is gone.
My opposing team is gone (if it remained on earth for the last 30 seconds or so), or if Hal took them beyond our solar system, they cannot return.If they return they will face either Magneto (in his current form it might as well be the Beyonder), or they will face Superman at the heart of his own sun.
They come ....they die.
They stay away ....the lose.
More interesting than the usual slugfest. I don't agree with some of your conclusions, but overall, I feel quite thought-provoked and entertained.
Originally posted by spetznaz
Funny thread, but I’ll bite. LOL.Alright, you’ve given me the following characters:
- Superman
- Magneto
- IceMan
- Human torch
- Jean GrayIn essence a pretty powerful bunch.
However ‘my’ team is facing a pretty powerful bunch of characters, ranging from arguably the most powerful Green Lantern, a Norse deity, and a high level psionic, plus an energy absorber and Magma.So how could my team do it?
Well, they could try the force versus force approach, whereby a member of my team faces an opposing member from the other team (and arguably my team can be able to pull a win that way, although it would be a hard fight and open to too much debate).My team could also opt for the ‘tried and true’ approach. For instance it would be as simple as having Superman blitz Cable first, then several picaseconds later take out Bishop and Magma; thus leaving Hal Jordan and Thor for the rest of my team to pile on.
But that is too linear.Thus I’d have my team take an unorthodox approach, and not only that but one that is a tad bit harder than the ‘tried and true approach.’ Moreover this methodology would lead to the potential destruction of the solar system.
Furthermore my plan would have all but one of my team perishing, as well as the entire population of this planet, plus killing any members of the other team that did not have Hal Jordan whisk them out to the next galaxy pronto!Weird plan …..but as long as one of my members is present in the vicinity that was once earth, and as long as the other members cannot come back, I technically win.
No opposition left!Anyways, here’s my plan:
I would have Superman whisk all of my team to the magnetic north pole of the earth, which he should be able to do in a second or two at the most.
Once there I would have Magneto levitate up to a height of 20 feet, and then extend his most powerful magnetic field in a semi-circle below him (and he would tap into the magnetic field of the earth as an augmentation to his own power, in much the same way he tapped into the earth’s magnetic field to create a planet-wide EMP surge in that comic where he basically knocked out every single electric/electronic device in the world in an instant).
Anyways, Erick is unleashing the most powerful magnetic field he has ever created beneath him ….as well as around him.At this point the Torch goes supernova! Why? For no reason apart from creating nice fireworks. 🙂
Immediately below him, encircled by the field (say at a radius of 20 feet as well ….has to be tight) stand Jean Grey and IceMan facing each other.
IceMan opens his mind to Jean Grey, and she untaps his raw potential ….think of it as the most potent form of biofeedback training imaginable ….a ‘quasi-peptalk’ by one of the most powerful telepaths around.
Bobby goes insane and immediately drops the temperature within the magnetic field to absolute zero, in other words zero Kelvin. Obviously Jean Grey is dead now.What just happened within the magnetic sphere?
What happened is that the characteristics necessary for the Meissner-Ochsenfeld effect were just created, and hence one of the requirements of a superconductor just fell into place.At this point (say 15 seconds after Jean Grey triggered the ‘IceMan event’) Superman starts to fly around Magneto (who, remember, is levitating 20 feet above the ground and exerting the most powerful magnetic field in his life).
Superman starts to travel at a speed that is a sliver away from lightspeed in a perfect circle around the magnetic field. At such speeds he’d probably need 2 or 3 circles around Magneto’s field for what I plan to take effect.What just happened outside of the magnetic sphere?
The most powerful electromagnet in the world was created, and due to the M-O effect beneath Magneto’s field this effect is even further enhanced.Meaning of this?
Well, huge electrical surges are created. The most powerful accelerator on earth (at CERN in Geneva Switzerland) has been able to produce 100 billion electron volts of energy (due to collusions inside, but this were extremely small and instantaneous). 100 billion electron volts is equal to a temperature of a 1,000 trillion degrees.
This was the temperature of the universe when it was 10-12 seconds old.My version will create far more temperature than this, and thus the heat produced will be greater than that produced at the CERN accelerator (plus it will last for longer, and not be due to the collusions of sub-atomic particles).
If the heat is intense enough, it will be at the level that the universe was at 10-10 seconds after the universe was created.
At that point, and that temperature, the four forces that exist are now three (the electromagnetic force has joined with the weak force, and then there is the strong force and gravity).
Two things might occur:
Option 1:
Magneto will have progressed far beyond the control of mere magnetism into wielding all 4 forces ….or in this case all 3. He will be a walking singularity.
Anyone facing him is toast.
You are looking at someone at the level of classic Beyonder now.Option 2 (my favorite):
At such temperatures things are so hot that the strong force can barely hold together a proton and a neutron. In other words hydrogen (the strong force could also be able to bring a proton and 2 neutrons to form the nucleus of ‘heavy’ hydrogen).
Anyways, that will be the only element existing all around, and with the intense temperatures solar ignition will occur.
Guess who will be left at the heart of this ‘new’ sun ……Superman.
Guess what happens when Superman is in the midst of such a sun?Conclusion:
My entire team (apart from 2 people in option one – Magneto and Superman, or one person in option 2 – Superman) is annihilated.
The entire earth is gone.
The moon is gone.
Every single person is gone.
My opposing team is gone (if it remained on earth for the last 30 seconds or so), or if Hal took them beyond our solar system, they cannot return.If they return they will face either Magneto (in his current form it might as well be the Beyonder), or they will face Superman at the heart of his own sun.
They come ....they die.
They stay away ....the lose.
Oooooooooo, nice use of creativity, I like it! 😄 Spetznaz gets 1 point for creativity.
Originally posted by TheKahn
First I will address your plan and then I will state my plan (may have to do it in two posts depending on length)To begin with I must thank you for killing off most of your team in a pointless and doomed attack 👆 . While attempting to turn Magneto into a giant superconductor certainly earns you points for originality, it will not in actuality work as you will have killed him trying to implement you plan.
It is very important to remember that despite his ideological viewpoint, Magneto is essentially a human being and as such is still limited by his relatively human physiology. It will no longer be possible for him to remain alive much less breathe once you have Iceman drop the temperature [b]inside
of his forcefield to absolute zero (he would die along with Jean Grey).Also keep in mind that the level of output you are suggesting would far more likely burn his body out from the strain (iirc continuous heavy use of his powers have caused him extreme physical exhaustion and some damage before). Either by being frozen by Iceman, burned out by the attempting to wield such a large amount of power (also simply having access to a large amount will not allow him to transcend his human body), or from having the air sucked out of his lungs from Superman's light-speed vortex (Storm has done so with much slower winds) Magneto is dead along with Jean Grey and the Human torch.
In addition, there isn't enough hydrogen on the planet Earth to create or sustain a "new sun" and neither is that which we do have (most locked in the oceans) concentrated in a single place. In other words a great deal of heat does not a star or continuous thermonuclear fusion make. However we are dealing with comic book superpowers so let us assume that 1. Magneto will survive and 2. you succeed in creating a star out of the planet earth. What is the problem here? Well, the smallest type of star you can create (and the earth would form a very small star) would be of the red-orange variety (which typically have about 0.3 times the mass of our sun). Superman would quickly lose his powers as he is engulfed by red sunlight and soon die.
At most after you attempt you will have Iceman and Superman left alive which will not be much of a challenge as Cable can use telepathy against Bobby and Superman would get taken down by Hal and Thor. [/B]
Nice counter! 😉 TheKahn gets 1 point.
Originally posted by TheKahn
My Plan:Like you I will dismiss the speed blitz as a poor debating tactic 😖hifty:
Of course there is the Celestial jarring Godblast that could destroy the planet and most of your team (mine could be evacuated to space and protected by Hal) or the mano-a-mano type of match we typically see but let's try something a little different.First I will have Hal stop time around my team as the fight begins (your team will likely just then be getting to the North Pole at this point and he has stopped time before). I will then proceed to use my elemental to her best effect. Cable will use his unlimited amount of time to telepathically train Magma in the use of her powers thereby granting her control over nearly the entire planet.
Magma will then exit the time bubble, enter the planet, and stop the earth's core from spinning (thereby eliminating the earth's magnetic field and a potential power source for Magneto). While still in the time bubble my team continues their preparations. Hal generates both red sunlight and kryptonite radiation which Thor proceeds to absorb into his hammer to deal with Superman while Cable trains Bishop the same why he did Magma.
The team then quickly proceeds North arriving at the same time that Magma causes a giant eruption under the feat of your team killing Jean Grey and the Human Torch (her tk isn't strong enough to resist that level of explosion and neither is his durability). .Cable to mind rape Iceman and add him to my team. So that means I now have Iceman, Magma, Bishop, Cable, Hal, and Thor with a k-nite and red sunlight charged magic hammer against Superman and Magneto sans a power source.
I believe my team would take a majority.
Another really creative plan. TheKahn gets another point.
Originally posted by TheKahn
My Plan:Like you I will dismiss the speed blitz as a poor debating tactic 😖hifty:
Of course there is the Celestial jarring Godblast that could destroy the planet and most of your team (mine could be evacuated to space and protected by Hal) or the mano-a-mano type of match we typically see but let's try something a little different.First I will have Hal stop time around my team as the fight begins (your team will likely just then be getting to the North Pole at this point and he has stopped time before). I will then proceed to use my elemental to her best effect. Cable will use his unlimited amount of time to telepathically train Magma in the use of her powers thereby granting her control over nearly the entire planet.
Magma will then exit the time bubble, enter the planet, and stop the earth's core from spinning (thereby eliminating the earth's magnetic field and a potential power source for Magneto). While still in the time bubble my team continues their preparations. Hal generates both red sunlight and kryptonite radiation which Thor proceeds to absorb into his hammer to deal with Superman while Cable trains Bishop the same why he did Magma.
The team then quickly proceeds North arriving at the same time that Magma causes a giant eruption under the feat of your team killing Jean Grey and the Human Torch (her tk isn't strong enough to resist that level of explosion and neither is his durability). .Cable to mind rape Iceman and add him to my team. So that means I now have Iceman, Magma, Bishop, Cable, Hal, and Thor with a k-nite and red sunlight charged magic hammer against Superman and Magneto sans a power source.
I believe my team would take a majority.
Well thought-out deployment of forces. That time-stopper is a toughie, kinda like in the same category as speedblitz. That may indeed trump the other guys...maybe...
Certainly, if Team Kahn strikes first, it's in the ol' bagaroo.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Honestly I think spetznaz should get another point for shear creativity. 😉 Some of the science was a little off, imo, but it was damn brilliant.
He did really have a creative plan though, didn't he? ✅ Alright fine, I'll award an extra point for his creativity in that post. 😄
Spetznaz: 2
TheKahn: 2
It's even right now and I could be anybody's ball game as far as I'm concerned.