hmm ❌ he didnt want to control azeroth, the demons forced him to..unless you mean when he was realeased....if he is wanting azeroth, hes taking his sweet time..
and the nerubians where evolved with mind control resistance, who knows why, tho. and it doesnt matter how 'pure' link was. look what happened to arthus, he was a freakin paladin, and he succumbed to the lich kings power...
i say link beats his paladin form..but not the rest..one death coil and hes gone
So, he is still evil. He was corrupted by the demons, like Grom and the others, except that he has been so for a long, long time. And when his demon masters no longer had control over him he still continued to rule lifes and spread the plauge, which is evil....
He was corrupting Arthas for a long time, he made him feel hate and revenge and tricked him to Northrend. And for those who say that he is corrupted already from the beginning....
Uther clearly says that when a Paladin feels anger or hate, and let's his emotions control what he does, he will become as vile as the orcs. Arthas had seen his people being turned into and killed by the undead, all thanks to MalGanis. He then travelled to Northrend to hunt him down, this after killing a whole town with his own people. (Because they were turning into undead). Now he let revenge and hate control him. He then met with Muradin, who lived there, (and was still not corrupted, though he fought the Lich King's forces) and they went to pick up Frostmourn. When they arrived, it said on the describtion that it would scare his sould, still he picked it up, only to save his people. Now the Lich King also had his spirit...
No, absolutley not. How does one death coil finish him off, he has numerous things that makes him immune to this, even his simple mirror shield would be able to resist this. And I seriousley doubt that he has this ability. Mannaroth in gameplay had reincarnation as an ultimate special ability, still, what happened when Grom killed him? He died outright.
Grom showed to have invisibility and mirror image AND bladestorm as an ability in gameplay, still, how could he become captured in a CAGE by some human footmen? This is the same guy who killed Archimonds greatest captain... Why would a death knight heal people anyway?
1. thanx for the history lesson..i really needed to know what happened during the warcraft 3, especially since ive beaten the campaign several times now 🙄
2. gameplay mannaroth (or all pitlords for that matter) had an ultimate move that let him summon demons 🙄..not reincarnation...where the hell did you get that from 😂...
3. grom was captured because he had a limit to all those abilities. he had a good sized army against him..
4. and where the hell did i or u say that a death knight was going to heal anybody escept his own troops!!
Originally posted by MadMel
in gameplay mannaroth (or all pitlords for that matter) had an ultimate move that let him summon demons 🙄..not reincarnation...where the hell did you get that from 😂...
grom was captured because he had a limit to all those abilities. he had a good sized army against him..
Use the WC editor, you are talking about normal Pitlords, I'm talking about the best, Mannaroth, and he indeed has reincarnation.
So, he should be able to get out from one of those cages easily, for one, turn invisible making them belive he's gone, 2 when he uses mirror image, he splits himself in four, which makes him go to another position, that means outside of the cage. Try it, for example when the Druid (Nightelf hero) has you captured with entangling roots, you can use mirror image to get out of there....
And not many heros have shown themselfs being able to use their abilities. Why doesen't Thrall summon 2 wolfs and use lightning at Mannaroth? Why doesen't Grom go berserk with bladestorm?
I think it is only a thing to fill out gameplay, sure they have powers, but it doesen't necessarily mean everyone got it, or as powerful. It's like the thought that Hero's gets revived at an altar 🙄
anyway back on topic, Paladin form is probably owned, but all others have Death coil, and no its doubtful the mirror shield is a 100% spell reflector, i read on many sites that Links mirror shield can reflect SOME spells and not all the time, also Arthas isnt exactly a weak swordsmen, first off he is trained as a paladin before hand who are bound to be skilled fighters, also he has the Lich King through his mind once he has the Sword, which is perhaps capable of killing link with one slight slash of the head, his shield isnt necceserily indestructible is it, and even if it was, its not like it comes up instantly every time Arthas tries to strike, anyone i say he dies in 1 death coil, and if reflected arthas can defend himself with his sword until he can do it again, unlikely link will reflect it again, or Arthas strikes him down with a sword. I say Link has a TINY chance of winning this one, also Fully powered Death Knight form is very similar, Death coil or sword skills, Either way i doubt Link would be strong enough
Also in the Final match against the Lich King, Forget it, not worth explaining 🤣 , Link would be under the control of the lich king before he can move 😆 , as i said in another post, it is proven in the game that mos things were controlled by the Lich king at the very start including brilliantly minded mages and wizards, and saying he could of just controlled the whole world if that was the case is a foolish thought since first off the Demons would of probably destroyed him and also he created his own plan, he knew what he was doing, his mind is increased ten thousand fold from being a great minded Orc Warlock Chief to a an almost omniscient being and combining with Arthas he gains all his old power including increased abilities from having a physical form, i mean cmon honestly, if as a frozen soul locked in a frozen ice block he can destroy the human Kingdoms and create an army in the millions its doubtful hes going to make himself weaker, now hes got a full body with the sword included with his helmet and breastplate.
Sorry for the long post 😄 but a skinny elf guy with a sword and shield and various artifacts cannot defeat Godlike entities IMO, especially if they have Mind Control power 🙂
Originally posted by Burning thought
anyway back on topic, Paladin form is probably owned, but all others have Death coil, and no its doubtful the mirror shield is a 100% spell reflector, i read on many sites that Links mirror shield can reflect SOME spells and not all the time, also Arthas isnt exactly a weak swordsmen, first off he is trained as a paladin before hand who are bound to be skilled fighters, also he has the Lich King through his mind once he has the Sword, which is perhaps capable of killing link with one slight slash of the head, his shield isnt necceserily indestructible is it, and even if it was, its not like it comes up instantly every time Arthas tries to strike, anyone i say he dies in 1 death coil, and if reflected arthas can defend himself with his sword until he can do it again, unlikely link will reflect it again, or Arthas strikes him down with a sword. I say Link has a TINY chance of winning this one, also Fully powered Death Knight form is very similar, Death coil or sword skills, Either way i doubt Link would be strong enoughAlso in the Final match against the Lich King, Forget it, not worth explaining 🤣 , Link would be under the control of the lich king before he can move 😆 , as i said in another post, it is proven in the game that mos things were controlled by the Lich king at the very start including brilliantly minded mages and wizards, and saying he could of just controlled the whole world if that was the case is a foolish thought since first off the Demons would of probably destroyed him and also he created his own plan, he knew what he was doing, his mind is increased ten thousand fold from being a great minded Orc Warlock Chief to a an almost omniscient being and combining with Arthas he gains all his old power including increased abilities from having a physical form, i mean cmon honestly, if as a frozen soul locked in a frozen ice block he can destroy the human Kingdoms and create an army in the millions its doubtful hes going to make himself weaker, now hes got a full body with the sword included with his helmet and breastplate.
Sorry for the long post 😄 but a skinny elf guy with a sword and shield and various artifacts cannot defeat Godlike entities IMO, especially if they have Mind Control power 🙂
And what says that Link is a crappy swordsman? He defeated the best swordsmen in Ikana at the same time, and that giant swordsman, as a kid.....He also defeated the best trained Gerudo fighters and Ganon/Ganondorf, a 1000 year old beats and swordsman....
And he could defend from Arthas strikes, then slash his legs, he would have a much better time fighting Arthas then Arthas would have fighting him. And one light arrow and Arthas is done for... He also has invisibility with the stone mask, so Arthas can't see him, he has giants mask so he can crush him, he has inVincibility so he can't be wounded, and that spin that is increadibly powerful. (Especially in WW).
Prove a link to the, "sometimes defends spells" quote, against the Witches Link defended every single attack, he even absorbed their magic in the shield and could release it at will.
And there is nothing to say that Link can be converted in 1 second against the Lich King, and it is highly unlikley. And there is not more proof that Lich King can do it at once as he can manipulate people. I say that is unclear and should be left out until we find out.... And since when "Political/Domination Power > Single Entity Power" in single combat?
And my point before about abilities = Gameplay still stands. Why would Arthas use this, "uber instakill" death coil on Illidan?
Originally posted by kamikz
And what says that Link is a crappy swordsman? He defeated the best swordsmen in Ikana at the same time, and that giant swordsman, as a kid.....He also defeated the best trained Gerudo fighters and Ganon/Ganondorf, a 1000 year old beats and swordsman....
And he could defend from Arthas strikes, then slash his legs, he would have a much better time fighting Arthas then Arthas would have fighting him. And one light arrow and Arthas is done for... He also has invisibility with the stone mask, so Arthas can't see him, he has giants mask so he can crush him, he has inVincibility so he can't be wounded, and that spin that is increadibly powerful. (Especially in WW).Prove a link to the, "sometimes defends spells" quote, against the Witches Link defended every single attack, he even absorbed their magic in the shield and could release it at will.
And there is nothing to say that Link can be converted in 1 second against the Lich King, and it is highly unlikley. And there is not more proof that Lich King can do it at once as he can manipulate people. I say that is unclear and should be left out until we find out.... And since when "Political/Domination Power > Single Entity Power" in single combat?
And my point before about abilities = Gameplay still stands. Why would Arthas use this, "uber instakill" death coil on Illidan?
i wasnt saying Link is a crap swordsman, i was just trying to point out that Arthas isnt exactly a crap one either, it seems were only taking his natural magic into account into most of the battle, but Arthas's sword is a great long jagged beast of god knows what metal, with one hard swipe it could probably smash link onto the floor, Arthas is sturdier than Link, and if Link becomes a giant then Arthas can run between his legs and slash them, besides the breastplate, Sword and Helmet Arthas has are supposedly indestructable and he wears other heavy armour on his legs and arms, in fact, theres no part of his body not covered in hard armour, unlikely Links sword will slice through Arthas's Armour like butter, id say there more chance for Frostmourne to smash Links shield or slash through links Cloth that he wears, i doubt the Lich King would die if cut through the stomach or the legs any how, Arthas is no longer human when he puts that Helmet on, he becomes a godlike immortal entity. Immortal is a hard word to consider however since, in tolkeins works the elves are immortal yet it means they only die of old age, yet in many other Lores and Histories, immortal means indestructable or Almost indestructable
. I read you're post wrong, thought you said Link was bad, I apologize.
Well Link has the golden gauntlets, which makes him able to lift something the size of a small building and toss it over 10 meters up in the air, and about 10 meters away from him, and he does it pretty fast. He has an enormous amount of more strenght than Arthas. And his sword is the evils bane, and the strongest sword ever built in Hyrule. (I can give you a link to that source and some more info later, gotta go out now...) so it will likley, combined with Link's strenght, cut through Arthas pretty badly...
A giant Link would most likley kick him miles away. And he is not as slow as an AT-AT in Star Wars, he is like a big human. He would move around much, much quicker than Arthas could keep up with his legs. Besides, standing under Link's legs would not be a pleasent sight 🙄
Where does it say it's indestructible? Then Link's shield is also indestructible....
And although I do not belive Link have hearths (which makes no sense at all), one of the Great Fairys gave him silver hearths, at least if we are going by logic, made him more resistant to damage, mabey made his skin hard as silver, who knows....
And I still don't think Arthas can see him when he is invisible....
I agree, it's to hard to judge the immortal part, (although I haven't really seen it included in facts about the Lich King), so it's hard to judge...
Originally posted by kamikz
. I read you're post wrong, thought you said Link was bad, I apologize.Well Link has the golden gauntlets, which makes him able to lift something the size of a small building and toss it over 10 meters up in the air, and about 10 meters away from him, and he does it pretty fast. He has an enormous amount of more strenght than Arthas. And his sword is the evils bane, and the strongest sword ever built in Hyrule. (I can give you a link to that source and some more info later, gotta go out now...) so it will likley, combined with Link's strenght, cut through Arthas pretty badly...
A giant Link would most likley kick him miles away. And he is not as slow as an AT-AT in Star Wars, he is like a big human. He would move around much, much quicker than Arthas could keep up with his legs. Besides, standing under Link's legs would not be a pleasent sight 🙄
Where does it say it's indestructible? Then Link's shield is also indestructible....
And although I do not belive Link have hearths (which makes no sense at all), one of the Great Fairys gave him silver hearths, at least if we are going by logic, made him more resistant to damage, mabey made his skin hard as silver, who knows....
And I still don't think Arthas can see him when he is invisible....
I agree, it's to hard to judge the immortal part, (although I haven't really seen it included in facts about the Lich King), so it's hard to judge...
the term immortal is used on the offical World of Warcraft site, it says he becomes the immortal lich King in the story line, also it says in the same piece he has unfathonable power, if it is unfathonable, it means it is so powerful you cannot imagine it, this is when he is first created however, he gains a lot of power by joining with Arthas, also the helmet and breastplate and sword of the lich king are thought of as indestructible since it survived demons ripping its owner apart, then it was increased in power by them and sent hurtling down to earth in a piece of ice, its doubtful that the armour of a near god would be destroyed by normal means such as swords and axes or any conventional weaponry. I doubt the Lich King himself can be defeated by Link, perhaps the death Knight and paladin arthas but when he combines with the lich King and becomes it, he becomes one of the most powerful things ever to live in Azeroth, a lot of things, such as Enormous Dragons, Gods and wizards and powers that can shape the world, if he is as great as all those, i think he can defeat Link in his cloth and sword and shield 😆
Link in his clothes that makes him invurable to fire, dive forever. His master sword made to defeat darkness in the world. The mirror shield that can reflect magics.
Dont forget all his items and magics + he got the triforce of courage!
He got all his maskes
and he got all his items.
Please send us the link where it tells his imortal...
Originally posted by Kaithen
Link in his clothes that makes him invurable to fire, dive forever. His master sword made to defeat darkness in the world. The mirror shield that can reflect magics.Dont forget all his items and magics + he got the triforce of courage!
He got all his maskes
and he got all his items.Please send us the link where it tells his imortal...
it says the whole story on the Official WoW site, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story
or
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter4.html
i also read that he can effortlessly control the minds of the nearby creatures, i think his physchic powers are almost limitless, as long as they are within a range, probably 100 miles or something, but this shows he most probably could simply control Link, it shows or tells of no limit to the Lich Kings power in most of this story apart from when he was weakened for a moment when Illidan came
Originally posted by Tallis
but I doubt they mean immortal as unable to be killed. Remember Archimonde was said to be immortal yet an army of wisps was able to take him down
hmm perhaps, where does it say Archimonde is immortal again? i cannot remember, but i think the wisps energy negates him, if you remeber they actually drain magic power and since he was full up with such power he was drained which probably destroyed him, also i just read on the story that Malfurien the druid called forth the power of the World and let loose the fury of Nordressel (the world tree) and destroyed Archimonde with it, i dont think those wisps were ordinary ones, probably super powered
Originally posted by Burning thought
it says the whole story on the Official WoW site, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story
or
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter4.htmli also read that he can effortlessly control the minds of the nearby creatures, i think his physchic powers are almost limitless, as long as they are within a range, probably 100 miles or something, but this shows he most probably could simply control Link, it shows or tells of no limit to the Lich Kings power in most of this story apart from when he was weakened for a moment when Illidan came
He cant, than why didnt he take controll of the dwarfs that were trying to kill him. They lived in northrend and were fighting his units.
Originally posted by Burning thought
it says the whole story on the Official WoW site, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story
or
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter4.htmli also read that he can effortlessly control the minds of the nearby creatures, i think his physchic powers are almost limitless, as long as they are within a range, probably 100 miles or something, but this shows he most probably could simply control Link, it shows or tells of no limit to the Lich Kings power in most of this story apart from when he was weakened for a moment when Illidan came
Saying he could effortlessly control the creatures near him doesen't mean he has "instant uber control" power. They have likley been there for a long time, and he is already controlling them so he owuld not need much effort. And there is still no proof that he can take over Link. He would most likley need an emotion or a feeling to go on, Link has never done anything for himself, really feels no hate for anyone, and his courage and fighting spirit never fails him, and he is not even near weak minded, so I don't know what the Lich King would do.....
And the six sages are there too, could trap him....