Link vs. Arthas

Originally posted by Burning thought
the term immortal is used on the offical World of Warcraft site, it says he becomes the immortal lich King in the story line, also it says in the same piece he has unfathonable power, if it is unfathonable, it means it is so powerful you cannot imagine it, this is when he is first created however, he gains a lot of power by joining with Arthas, also the helmet and breastplate and sword of the lich king are thought of as indestructible since it survived demons ripping its owner apart, then it was increased in power by them and sent hurtling down to earth in a piece of ice, its doubtful that the armour of a near god would be destroyed by normal means such as swords and axes or any conventional weaponry. I doubt the Lich King himself can be defeated by Link, perhaps the death Knight and paladin arthas but when he combines with the lich King and becomes it, he becomes one of the most powerful things ever to live in Azeroth, a lot of things, such as Enormous Dragons, Gods and wizards and powers that can shape the world, if he is as great as all those, i think he can defeat Link in his cloth and sword and shield 😆

He was able to be killed by the eye of Sargeras (said even by one of his former demon masters, who actually came up with the idea). And Link has the sword which kills all evil, he would most likley cut through, or when he finds a weakspot, decipate Arthas/Lich King. He also has the golden gauntlets, which gives him strenght enough to toss a pillar which has incredible size and weight, and toss it about 10 meters in the air and 20 meters away from him, and that with not too much effort. His hits will come with such an incredible amount of power, and when he is a giant........

Link has defeated far worse than dragons before, like Vaato, who could turn people into stone and gave him miraculas power. Vaato even captured one of the gods, Fayrue (or whatever her name is) and Link defeated him...... Majoras Mask, who could grip a moon out of orbit and crash it down, he even protected it with a field of magic. (No it is not the fire that comes because it is just resently crossed the atmosphere, the giants are clearly pushing on that force field, what else would they do, warm their hands on the fire?). He could also turn people into....well whatever he could turn them into. And Ganondorf, the great king of evil, who was a master manipulator, a master swordsman/fighter and had an ancient demon inside his body that was over 1000 years old, and the triforce of power in his hand. I say Link is pretty capable, especially with the six sages....

Weird, I posted this before, but it never came into the thread..... (I'm not talking about that post I did just recently, I did exact THIS post...)

Originally posted by kamikz
Saying he could effortlessly control the creatures near him doesen't mean he has "instant uber control" power. They have likley been there for a long time, and he is already controlling them so he owuld not need much effort. And there is still no proof that he can take over Link. He would most likley need an emotion or a feeling to go on, Link has never done anything for himself, really feels no hate for anyone, and his courage and fighting spirit never fails him, and he is not even near weak minded, so I don't know what the Lich King would do.....

And the six sages are there too, could trap him....

The creatures were not exactly near him, they were on the same island, which is a bit bigger than England, he can control basically anythin within that range, also you seem to thinking of this as a bit like SW manipulation for example your thought on him needing feelings for control. The lich king gets his mind power from pure psychic energy and dark arts of magic given to him by the Demons of the burning legion, every mind he controls strengthens him, by the time Arthas gains the Helmet and frees the Lich King he must be Monstorusly powerful. Considering he and Link would be fighting close, then the Lich King shouldnt have a problem wiping links mind just as he did the creatures on the island, unless link finds a way of attacking from 30-50 miles away 😂 also, it takes all 6 sages for the spell to work, wont take much for the Lich King to distract or destroy one sage, a simple blast of magic or a slash of his sword and thats a sage dead, or he could just mind control a sage so the spell would be usless or ofc the good old Death coil attack on one, dissolve all his flesh, its doubtful he would survive so i think Links had it in this fight, his sword skills may be powerful and his items great but to defeat a god takes more than one elf like character wearing green cloth hat and clothing 🤣

Originally posted by Burning thought
The creatures were not exactly near him, they were on the same island, which is a bit bigger than England, he can control basically anythin within that range, also you seem to thinking of this as a bit like SW manipulation for example your thought on him needing feelings for control. The lich king gets his mind power from pure psychic energy and dark arts of magic given to him by the Demons of the burning legion, every mind he controls strengthens him, by the time Arthas gains the Helmet and frees the Lich King he must be Monstorusly powerful. Considering he and Link would be fighting close, then the Lich King shouldnt have a problem wiping links mind just as he did the creatures on the island, unless link finds a way of attacking from 30-50 miles away 😂 also, it takes all 6 sages for the spell to work, wont take much for the Lich King to distract or destroy one sage, a simple blast of magic or a slash of his sword and thats a sage dead, or he could just mind control a sage so the spell would be usless or ofc the good old Death coil attack on one, dissolve all his flesh, its doubtful he would survive so i think Links had it in this fight, his sword skills may be powerful and his items great but to defeat a god takes more than one elf like character wearing green cloth hat and clothing 🤣

Actually, as I said before, Link defeated a person who defeated a god. And he defeated a person who defeated about 6 Great Fairys. (The Great Fairys are explained in both Majoras Mask and the four swords adventure to be able to wipe out ARMIES easily as hell).

But there is no proof that he can control him that easiley, he could not control the Dwarves that attacked his forces, or the men that king Terrenas sent. And the six sages aren't running around, they appear in the sacred realm and trapp him, they aren't exactly visible. And Link could draw his bow really fast, one light arrow would be enough. And Link can also turn invisible....

Also, with the mask of truth, Link could dive into the mind of the Lich King himself and read his mind. And I think it is too much left out about this power to say for sure.
Link with Nayrus love is immune to magic and physical attacks though, and mind control is a magic is it not?

Arthas, no question. He's the most powerful being on the planet of Azeroth, he's two hugely powerful being merged, it's been said that if every person on Azeroth attempted to attack him at once, he could kill them all.

Link, with his sword and boomerang and light arrow would stand no chance against the massive powers and spells of the Lich King Arthas.

Arthas as a Paladin on the other hand, could probably go either way.

(Sigh). Well Link has proven to singlehandedly defeated every threat ever that came to Hyrule and outside Hyrule. Now this is when Link has all of his equipment ever, + the six sages

I don't think his equipment is going to matter against a creature made up of two beings that, when seperated, were more powerful than any of the threats Link has ever faced.

Were they really? ^

Anyway, what defence does he have against the six sages trapping him inside the sacred realm?

This is his instant mind control. (from offical WC site)

Arthas' fear and resolve proved to be his ultimate undoing. He tracked the plague's source to Northrend, intending to end its threat forever. Instead, Prince Arthas eventually fell prey to the Lich King's tremendous power. Believing that it would save his people, Arthas took up the cursed runeblade, Frostmourne. Though the sword did grant him unfathomable power, it also stole his soul and transformed him into the greatest of the Lich King's death knights

So he did indeed use Arthas feelings and emotions (and the fact that Paladin's must NOT use this, which makes it even easier) to convert him, and needed Frostmourn to do it.
And when they combined to one, why didn't he just control all the Blood mages, the Naga and Illidan himself. That would give him more armies, more magic/power and especially someone that could give him info about his former demon lord, Kil'Jaden...

And for the one who said The Lich King wasen't evil, from Chris Metzen (the creator and designer of the Warcraft universe)

"Arthas and Ner'zhul have become a perfect fusion of one being - Arthas' personality and body with Ner'zhul's wisdom, experience, power and EVIL." Note, Evil....

the part that proves his almost unquestionable power and mind strength is

"Encased within the frozen cask, Ner'zhul felt his consciousness expand ten thousand-fold. Warped by the demon's chaotic powers, Ner'zhul became a spectral being of unfathomable power. At that moment, the orc known as Ner'zhul was shattered forever, and the Lich King was born"

and this proves his power to control thousands of minds effortlessly, take into account he did this within moments of arriving before his strength began to swell

"From the confines of the Frozen Throne, Ner'zhul began to reach out his vast consciousness and touch the minds of Northrend's native inhabitants. With little effort, he enslaved the minds of many indigenous creatures, including ice trolls and fierce wendigo, and he drew their evil brethren into his growing shadow. His psychic powers proved to be almost limitless, and he used them to create a small army that he housed within Icecrown's twisting labyrinths."

this proves that if he can effortlessly control all those creatures into an army, (trolls being pretty intelligent in the warcraft world) i doubt he will have a problem with Link

also take into account, the Lich King knows things are going to happen or at least roughly sort of like the Emporor in SW only more powerful, he has planned it this way. The only thing he didnt forsee is Illidan smashing the frozen throne but i think its because he still knew that it would work out for him in the end

"Ner'zhul and Arthas' spirits fused into a single mighty being, just as Ner'zhul had always planned. Illidan and his troops were forced to flee back to Outland in disgrace, while Arthas became one of the most powerful entities the world had ever known"

The raging cacophony in his mind caused Ner'zhul to grow even more powerful, as if their spirits provided him with much-needed nourishment"

if link tried to look into the Lich Kings mind i doubt hed be able to understand anything within his own feeble mind, it would probably make him even easier to control if not kill him from the overloading his mind.

Nothing there proves he did it instantly, I mean, he lives in Northrend and so do all the creatures, so he would take all the time he needed to control them..... And most of the people he controlled were undead, Arthas killed them, he controlled them. He did not overtake many that were not in Northrend, for examples, the dwarves, who are more intelligent than ice trolls (which are not intelligent, normal trolls are) and much more adavanced.

The stones can gaze into Link's mind, but with the mask fo truth he prevents them from doing it, and gazes into theirs....

And how will he not have a problem with Link, the evils bane, the hero of time, carrier of the triforce of courage, hero of the wind, mighty swordsman, magican, warrior. Link has defeated anything that has ever encountered him (that was evil) and done so without questioning. And the thing is that to take over Arthas, The Lich King did indeed manipulate him, and made him pick up the sword so he could take his spirit....

Link also has an ability called "reflect spells" (Link's adventure) which turn the spells cast back on the enemies themselfes. He also has the flute, which kills most monsters he encounters, just by playing it...

Originally posted by kamikz
Link also has an ability called "reflect spells" (Link's adventure) which turn the spells cast back on the enemies themselfes. He also has the flute, which kills most monsters he encounters, just by playing it...

dude the lich king isnt a monster, i doubt the flute will affect something more powerful than a god anyway 🤣 , also theres nothing to say he cannot enslave the mind of link, no proof link can resist it what so ever, also most are undead because he killed them first so he doesnt have to kill them later, theres nothing there saying he took a long time to control them creatures anyway, 😆 surely you dont think he manipulated Wendigo and trolls, besides ive seen a lot of things link has had to fight and just as Backfire said they are worthless compared to the LichKing

Originally posted by Burning thought
dude the lich king isnt a monster, i doubt the flute will affect something more powerful than a god anyway 🤣 , also theres nothing to say he cannot enslave the mind of link, no proof link can resist it what so ever, also most are undead because he killed them first so he doesnt have to kill them later, theres nothing there saying he took a long time to control them creatures anyway, 😆 surely you dont think he manipulated Wendigo and trolls, besides ive seen a lot of things link has had to fight and just as Backfire said they are worthless compared to the LichKing

And there is nothing to suggest that he won't die beacuse he is "godlike". Link has the triforce of courage, which was the power of a god, still, you don't say he is immune to mind control...
You saying that I have no proof that he cannot resist mind control, but there is no chance that Link can kill him with stuff that killed others because the Lich King is the Lich King, is lame, you have to provide proof yourself, not just, "he is godlike"....

The Lich King is indeed a monster. An orc/demon. And the meaning monster can be anything, (it is most likley ment for evil). I remember Solidus calling Raiden a monster in MGS 2.....

The creatures should be easiley taken over because they cannot think for themselves. The dwarves however, he never managed to take over, even though they were trapped there for a long, long time, and proved a threat to Arthas... And he did not capture Illidan and his forces when he was combined with Arthas either, he would get domination over 2 new races and many powerful entinities, still he didn't.... Mabey because they are to resistant and willingly to fight for their cause, and I have never seen anyone more willing than Link.....

There is nothing to say that his reflect spell magic doesen't work, and their is nothing to suggest that his power is instant, more than it will work instantly on any "smart" being....

Edit: And I seem to remember the quote, "The Lich King is defensless without his army"...

Originally posted by kamikz
And there is nothing to suggest that he won't die beacuse he is "godlike". Link has the triforce of courage, which was the power of a god, still, you don't say he is immune to mind control...
You saying that I have no proof that he cannot resist mind control, but there is no chance that Link can kill him with stuff that killed others because the Lich King is the Lich King, is lame, you have to provide proof yourself, not just, "he is godlike"....

The Lich King is indeed a monster. An orc/demon. And the meaning monster can be anything, (it is most likley ment for evil). I remember Solidus calling Raiden a monster in MGS 2.....

The creatures should be easiley taken over because they cannot think for themselves. The dwarves however, he never managed to take over, even though they were trapped there for a long, long time, and proved a threat to Arthas... And he did not capture Illidan and his forces when he was combined with Arthas either, he would get domination over 2 new races and many powerful entinities, still he didn't.... Mabey because they are to resistant and willingly to fight for their cause, and I have never seen anyone more willing than Link.....

There is nothing to say that his reflect spell magic doesen't work, and their is nothing to suggest that his power is instant, more than it will work instantly on any "smart" being....

Edit: And I seem to remember the quote, "The Lich King is defensless without his army"...

he didnt take over the Dwarves becasue they were not a theat, nor did he need them, also i dont think he cared of illidan and the other races, they were fleeing before his might, i doubt he would want cowards and weaklings, also the lich King knew Arthas could easily take the dwarves himself, with the strength of the Scourge armies i doubt some dwarves would prevail. What dwarves are we talking about anyway, Muradin Bronzebeard who met the Paladin Arthas or the Dwarves near the Cave that was a shortcut to the frozen throne, if your thinking of the ones in the cave, its at the time the Lich King was greatly weakened and so would not have any power to do so, he gave al ot of his power to keep Arthas under complete control, if your thinking of Muradin and the dwarves hiding in Northrend, he would have no need for them at the time since he knew they could never pose a true threat.

Besides Link is doubtful to defeat the God Ragnaros and perhaps not Onyxia, and Link would certainly fall before Nefarian. The Lich King is far more powerful than any of those

heres how i think the battle will go, lets say Link is some how resistant to mind control, i say the Lich King would smash him with his sword and send him to the ground tumbling with such a hit, if link grows to giant size then the Lich King wil have to defend with his sword and try to cut Links fingers or hand when it comes down to strike. ofcourse since the Lich King has never been seen to fight since it is the end of the story when Arthas puts on the Helmet theres no knowing what magic spells he can cast, he could probably blast Link to pieces with a simple spell

finally if the Lich King just stands there and link fires his light arrows and smashes at him with the sword for several hours without the King doing anything and Link actually manages to destroy Arthas, the Soul of the Lich King would simply blast into Link and make link wear the helmet and breatplate making the Lichking as powerful as himself adn Link combined

Originally posted by Burning thought
he didnt take over the Dwarves becasue they were not a theat, nor did he need them, also i dont think he cared of illidan and the other races, they were fleeing before his might, i doubt he would want cowards and weaklings, also the lich King knew Arthas could easily take the dwarves himself, with the strength of the Scourge armies i doubt some dwarves would prevail. What dwarves are we talking about anyway, Muradin Bronzebeard who met the Paladin Arthas or the Dwarves near the Cave that was a shortcut to the frozen throne, if your thinking of the ones in the cave, its at the time the Lich King was greatly weakened and so would not have any power to do so, he gave al ot of his power to keep Arthas under complete control, if your thinking of Muradin and the dwarves hiding in Northrend, he would have no need for them at the time since he knew they could never pose a true threat.

Besides Link is doubtful to defeat the God Ragnaros and perhaps not Onyxia, and Link would certainly fall before Nefarian. The Lich King is far more powerful than any of those

heres how i think the battle will go, lets say Link is some how resistant to mind control, i say the Lich King would smash him with his sword and send him to the ground tumbling with such a hit, if link grows to giant size then the Lich King wil have to defend with his sword and try to cut Links fingers or hand when it comes down to strike. ofcourse since the Lich King has never been seen to fight since it is the end of the story when Arthas puts on the Helmet theres no knowing what magic spells he can cast, he could probably blast Link to pieces with a simple spell

finally if the Lich King just stands there and link fires his light arrows and smashes at him with the sword for several hours without the King doing anything and Link actually manages to destroy Arthas, the Soul of the Lich King would simply blast into Link and make link wear the helmet and breatplate making the Lichking as powerful as himself adn Link combined

The dwarves in the cave are the same dwarves that came with Muradin, and they fought the Lich King's forces. And the Lich King barley got Arthas their in time to save himself, 1 second longer and Illidan would have ran up there before Arthas. He would let someone slow him down....
And the scourge where much weaker than the blood elves and Naga... They all had powerful magics and lived in different terrain that would elsewhere be hard for the scourge to reach, they would prove powerful to his cause....

See, there you go with the assumptions again. Could "probably" defeat him, without backing it up... Link has defeated Dragons and far worse then dragons before....

So when Illidan came to kill him (which he was afraid of) he would take Illidans soul and live inside him? Hmm, wonder why he was so scared....
If Link turned invisible I wonder how he would see him. Link can also turn invInsible, and then grow to giant size, then just smack the hell out of the Lich King. So he would indeed only be able to stand there... He also has many, many bottles of fairys which would revive him....
The six sages could trap him in the sacred realm, game set and match...

Ok no one seems to agree with the other, shall we just lay down this debate?

the Lich King wasnt scared, i think he just wanted Arthas to wear the helm and breastplate, and be included with the great sword, if illidan had taken the helm and breastplate and got taken over then the Lich King probably wouldnt have use of the Sword, then again he could just pick it off of Arthas's body, Ofc Arthas was stronger and faster than illidan in the cinematic and so the Lich King probably wanted the stronger body to live in.

also Link couldnt defeat the Dragon Nefarien, ur probably gonna hate this but he also mind controls, and the proof is in the game World of Warcrat, he does it to players, he could simply mind control Link and make him kill himself, if Nefarien has such power and he doesnt have such a great mind as the Lich king then i doubt the Lich King would have much trouble

The problem with fights against the Lich King is, is that all people can do is presume since no one has ever seen him fight, but considering he is rated as one of the most powerful entities ever to live on Azeroth then its undoubtful that he has enough power to kill link regardless of links abilites

i guess ur right, we should stop this discussion until at least Blizzard have added him to the game and then we can see how strong he really is

Well the priests in WoW also has a mindcontrol ability, so I guess they could kill almost everyone too.... But the thing is that the control does not last forever, and if Link turns himself invinsible, they cannot kill him in that time. And I still doubt they can convert him, especially since he can turn their spells against themselfs and since the six sages can trap the Lich King in the sacred realm before he could do anything....

Yes he wanted a stronger body, but he still fear that he would kill him, after all, he was sent by his demon master....

I don't think so. Link has proven to defeat any, and I mean any threat he has ever encountered, even outside of Hyrule. He is "made" to kill evil, and reborn every 100 year or whatever it is to do it. He is the Hero of time and carrier of "godlike powers" (Yes that's true, not making up). I don't think the Lich King can break himself loose from the six sages, I don't think he can punch through invincibility or see invisibility "because he is he lich king" and I don't think he can stand against the power of light which Link contains...

Ok lol just wanted to say that. So we agree to disagree.....leaving thread.

(Nice to debate with ya)

I think we're forgetting one MAJOR clue as to how the Lich Kings mind control, can effect people.

The Forsaken. A race of undead themselves who the Lich King can't take control of anymore. If the New Lich King Arthas can't defeat their minds, whats to say he can beat Links

Originally posted by Tallis
I think we're forgetting one MAJOR clue as to how the Lich Kings mind control, can effect people.

The Forsaken. A race of undead themselves who the Lich King can't take control of anymore. If the New Lich King Arthas can't defeat their minds, whats to say he can beat Links

Sylvanus takes away the lich Kings curse making them immune to him, Link doesnt have that curse, also ive just realise that if the Lich King supposedly isnt immune to the Sages trapping him (i think he could stop it somehow but i cannot prove it) then they can just trap him away, which isnt fair, it says only Link vs the Lich king on the forum, no Sages joining in

I won't debate here anymore since there is not really any more debating to do (nothing accomplished in it) but read the first page, it includes the six sages...

And the Lich King lost his power, thus Sylvanas got freed, but how did she later get "immune" to it?