Superman's feats aren't comparable to Thanos by any means. Most of them are intelligence and strategy feats, which is by no means what Superman is known for. Thanos is a guy that sent Galactus bouncing like crazy from one blast. So, yeah, there isn't a debate of Thanos vs Superman at all, unless it's pre-crisis Superman, who (aside from goofy writing) is at Thanos' level, if not higher. Nobody's bumming on Superman, but when he's beat, he's beat.
Originally posted by Crease
True, something accomplished with prep doesn't translate to a spur of the moment battle. I was responding this statement:"They are being paired with Superman who can go toe to toe in feats with Thanos alone."
No statement regarding feats translates into a spur of the moment battle.
And yes, with prep, Thanos could defeat the aforementioned.You're also correct with the eye rolling. My intention was to be sarcastic, with us both knowing full well that I wasn't going to search for the Supes respect thread. His fans, and worse his fanboys, don't let you forget what he's done. So without consistently reading him, I still have an overall idea of the things he's accomplished, with and w/o prep. I just don't believe it matches up with Thanos feat list, with and w/o prep.
In closing, if you took offense to the eye rolling, know that it wasn't meant as an insult.
Well said. That's why by forum rules, those kind of enhancements aren't normally used in debates unless specifically mentioned. Superman with prep could defeat Thanos as well, but it would be boring either way.
He matches up pretty well. He's beaten gods & cosmic beings as well. Has ridiculous durability feats. Has just as much of a jobber aura as Thanos himself and even the almighty Wolverine.
I grew up reading Marvel a lot more than DC, and this match is lopsided in Supes favor unless Thanos has 1 sided prep just from what I've read on both Thanos and Supes.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Cap's shield isnt sharp and pointy like a knife ... or wolverine's claws.Maybe if it's thrown like a discus or frisbee at an extremely high speed it has some chance of bruising Thanos, but that's also assuming Thanos doesnt avoid it, which he is quite capable of doing.
If used directly as a weapon, then, assuming the person is capable of applying sufficient force for the edge of the shield to lacerate flesh, whoever is holding it is more likely to lose their fingers than injure Thanos.
As it stands, if Adamantium can pierce Thanos hide (he's too tough to just call it flesh) with just Human strength then Vibranium with Superman level strength will crush his skull in. It's too much. Also, as it's tougher than Thanos hide, He'll have a tough time trying to get through it.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
1) Mjolnir has never chased away galactus, Thor did using his God-force blast for which Mjolnir is merely a conduit. Superman isnt a god and has no god-force to channel through a hammer or anything else.
Well stated, but since this thread is with Superman wielding the hammer, it should enhance him even more similar to how Beta Ray Bill gets a boost.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
2) Superman would have no clue how to access Mjolnir's own abilities like teleporting, anti-force blasts, etc...
He doesn't need them, he's tons faster in combat than Thanos is and has 2 near indestructible items in addition to his already over the top abilities and physical attributed that compare to Thanos. Adding to that neither side has stated to have any type of prep over the other and this one is a wrap.
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Superman's feats aren't comparable to Thanos by any means. Most of them are intelligence and strategy feats, which is by no means what Superman is known for. Thanos is a guy that sent Galactus bouncing like crazy from one blast. So, yeah, there isn't a debate of Thanos vs Superman at all, unless it's pre-crisis Superman, who (aside from goofy writing) is at Thanos' level, if not higher. Nobody's bumming on Superman, but when he's beat, he's beat.
Thanos is nowhere near Pre-crisis Supes level. This is the guy who repaired time with his fists. There isn't a fair way to even compare judging by natural ability.
Post crisis Supes is a far better match for Thanos.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
[B]As it stands, if Adamantium can pierce Thanos hide (he's too tough to just call it flesh) with just Human strength then Vibranium with Superman level strength will crush his skull in.
The two arent connected. Just because I can get a paper cut when barely grazing a single piece of paper doesnt mean that small boy can crush my skull with a 300 sheet note pad.
I specifically mention small boy because that's the difference in physical strength between Thanos and Superman. Thanos is on a different level.
Well stated, but since this thread is with Superman wielding the hammer, it should enhance him even more similar to how Beta Ray Bill gets a boost.
Beta Ray Bill isnt a God either but yes Superman would receive a boost in strength. Even then it wont be enough to take down Thanos. Thanos was able to keep up with an insane Thor with the power gem. A normal Thor is atleast as strong as Superman. An insane Thor is insanely strong, stronger than Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, Power Gem Drax, etc.... An increasingly insane and angry Thor beginning to tap into the power gem is immeasurably strong. That's about how strong Thanos is.
He doesn't need them, he's tons faster in combat
I am sorry to say thats not true as Thanos has fought and defeated opponents who appear much faster ... but even if it were true that Superman was faster in combat, it's like saying the Karate Kid can take Hulk Hogan just because he is faster and carries a baseball bat and shield.
Not really. He's not even a match at all. To be honest, Wolverine's claws are the sharpest material in the Marvel universe, considering they can cut just about anything. I've seen the Superman not hurt by the adimantium cutting lasers, but there's one problem with that: Adamantium has to be heated to be cut. It makes a sizeable difference. Could Wolverine cut Superman? Not on these forums. Of course, he has the benefit of having a force field (or something to that sort) to protect him from that sort of thing. Still though, there's one problem: How in hell is Superman going to hit him?
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6793/fallen44os.jpg
Superman, or anything thrown, would get stopped like a cat running head-first into a brick wall. Here's the whole fight.
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http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=0921b_forg2.jpg
http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=4c944_forg3.jpg
http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=c4355_forg4.jpg
http://img24.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=e8d48_forg5.jpg
This is what blasts from the Surfer do.
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From Genis-Vell
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http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=walker43qy.jpg
Another thing is the case of Mjolnir. IF he were able to pick up the hammer, since this is him from JLA/Avengers, he wouldn't be able to wield it like Thor. Most of it comes from Thor's essence as a god, so Superman would only be able to wield it like Thunderstrike did his mace after being Thor for awhile. He's only gonna have some lightning attacks and so forth. Maybe Teleportation, but not a Kurt Wagner type. He can't utilize the full ability because he's not an Asgardian like Thor, Beta Ray, and Thunderstrike are. Even with these artifacts, he's not going to be able to win this.
Now, if he partnered with Thor, they might be able to do it with some teamwork. Either way, there isn't a way for Superman to really do anything. This is how I've always compared the two:
Superman can defeat Darkseid's avatars, but is nowhere near Darkseid.
Thanos could easily defeat Darkseid's avatars, and would be able to hold his own against Darkseid.
Whew. That was difficult. Good to debate with you Avalon. You're making me think creatively.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If I remember correctly, he shut off all sensory input from the gauntlet, correct? He still had access to the gauntlets power.Supes still has the speed advantage, added to incredible strength, a skyfather level weapon, and another weapon/shield with more durability than Thanos.
I've easily made a comparable case for Supes alone in the past (though that's for other threads) but this is overkill UNLESS Thanos has 1 sided prep.
Yet he didn't use it, did he? at least not till the end when he got fed off.
And not every argument you made works with every opponent Superman will face here in the "versus" forum.
This is really quite simple. This is what a properly written Thor was able to do to Superman clone with superman powers:
"http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gladiator_(Kallark)
However, Gladiator had met his match with Thor, who brutally rendered Gladiator unconscious and then hurled him through one of the Shi'ar's transportational stargates, sealing it behind him."
We all know that Thanos had no problem keeping up with an insane Thor (physically much more capable than under normal circumstances) with Mjolnir (which he had full control of) and a power gem (which Thor had probably started tapping).
Originally posted by aliveinboston
This is really quite simple. This is what a properly written Thor was able to do to Superman clone with superman powers:"http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gladiator_(Kallark)
However, Gladiator had met his match with Thor, who brutally rendered Gladiator unconscious and then hurled him through one of the Shi'ar's transportational stargates, sealing it behind him."
We all know that Thanos had no problem keeping up with an insane Thor (physically much more capable than under normal circumstances) with Mjolnir (which he had full control of) and a power gem (which Thor had probably started tapping).
Well said.
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Not really. He's not even a match at all. To be honest, Wolverine's claws are the sharpest material in the Marvel universe, considering they can cut just about anything. I've seen the Superman not hurt by the adimantium cutting lasers, but there's one problem with that: Adamantium has to be heated to be cut. It makes a sizeable difference. Could Wolverine cut Superman? Not on these forums. Of course, he has the benefit of having a force field (or something to that sort) to protect him from that sort of thing. Still though, there's one problem: How in hell is Superman going to hit him?
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6793/fallen44os.jpgSuperman, or anything thrown, would get stopped like a cat running head-first into a brick wall. Here's the whole fight.
http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=76154_forg1.jpg
http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=0921b_forg2.jpg
http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=4c944_forg3.jpg
http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=c4355_forg4.jpg
http://img24.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=e8d48_forg5.jpgThis is what blasts from the Surfer do.
http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surf0na.jpgFrom Genis-Vell
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=walker31ne.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=walker43qy.jpg
Another thing is the case of Mjolnir. IF he were able to pick up the hammer, since this is him from JLA/Avengers, he wouldn't be able to wield it like Thor. Most of it comes from Thor's essence as a god, so Superman would only be able to wield it like Thunderstrike did his mace after being Thor for awhile. He's only gonna have some lightning attacks and so forth. Maybe Teleportation, but not a Kurt Wagner type. He can't utilize the full ability because he's not an Asgardian like Thor, Beta Ray, and Thunderstrike are. Even with these artifacts, he's not going to be able to win this.
Now, if he partnered with Thor, they might be able to do it with some teamwork. Either way, there isn't a way for Superman to really do anything. This is how I've always compared the two:Superman can defeat Darkseid's avatars, but is nowhere near Darkseid.
Thanos could easily defeat Darkseid's avatars, and would be able to hold his own against Darkseid.
Whew. That was difficult. Good to debate with you Avalon. You're making me think creatively.
I wish I had a scanner 馃檨 ...Perfectly stated by the way, Thunderstrike.
Originally posted by aliveinbostonWhen he shot him with that gun that trapped him?
This is really quite simple. This is what a properly written Thor was able to do to Superman clone with superman powers:"http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gladiator_(Kallark)
However, Gladiator had met his match with Thor, who brutally rendered Gladiator unconscious and then hurled him through one of the Shi'ar's transportational stargates, sealing it behind him."
We all know that Thanos had no problem keeping up with an insane Thor (physically much more capable than under normal circumstances) with Mjolnir (which he had full control of) and a power gem (which Thor had probably started tapping).
Thanos has been downed by Molnier more than once, and it was vastly more useful in Superman's hands.
Originally posted by Juntai
When he shot him with that gun that trapped him?Thanos has been downed by Molnier more than once, and it was vastly more useful in Superman's hands.
Horse shit, no can use the hammer better than Thor except for Odin, Beta Ray bill, if superman can destroyed a planet with the hammer I will say yeah until then get that BS out of here.
you guys get mad when superman fans demand that supes beat a guy like sentry but you dont care if thanos beats on abstracts who should step on him probably marvel fans call up marvel and say THANOS GOT HIT BY THE MAGUS LETS UP HIS POWERS SO HE CAN WOMP HIM NEXT TIME OR WOMP SOMEONE STRONGER OR HAY LETS PUT HIM UP AGAINST TYRANT A GUY ALMOST AS STRONG AS GALACTUS AND ACTUALLY HOLD HIS OWN FOR A WHILE, AND WHILE WE ARE AT IT LETS PUT HIM UP AGAINST GALACTUS HIMSELF. i mean yeah you guys complain about slade jobbing but anyone with prep can beat anyone with the right amoung of prep or the right eqipment
Originally posted by MiderDude, breathe. 馃槺
you guys get mad when superman fans demand that supes beat a guy like sentry but you dont care if thanos beats on abstracts who should step on him probably marvel fans call up marvel and say THANOS GOT HIT BY THE MAGUS LETS UP HIS POWERS SO HE CAN WOMP HIM NEXT TIME OR WOMP SOMEONE STRONGER OR HAY LETS PUT HIM UP AGAINST TYRANT A GUY ALMOST AS STRONG AS GALACTUS AND ACTUALLY HOLD HIS OWN FOR A WHILE, AND WHILE WE ARE AT IT LETS PUT HIM UP AGAINST GALACTUS HIMSELF. i mean yeah you guys complain about slade jobbing but anyone with prep can beat anyone with the right amoung of prep or the right eqipment
The Tyrant Thanos fought wasn't as powerful as the one who fought Galactus. And Thanos has sort of fought Galactus and rightly got his ass kicked. Calm down.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
The two arent connected. Just because I can get a paper cut when barely grazing a single piece of paper doesnt mean that small boy can crush my skull with a 300 sheet note pad.I specifically mention small boy because that's the difference in physical strength between Thanos and Superman. Thanos is on a different level.
Pure speculation. Superman is easily as strong as Thanos if not stronger. Unless you have proof that proof with physical feats that Thanos has pulled?
About that "paper cut" remark. It doesn't quite cut it. A kid can puncture your skin with a needle. Now if a a gorilla mashed you over the head with a manhole cover, you'd be in a world of hurt.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Beta Ray Bill isnt a God either but yes Superman would receive a boost in strength. Even then it wont be enough to take down Thanos. Thanos was able to keep up with an insane Thor with the power gem. A normal Thor is atleast as strong as Superman. An insane Thor is insanely strong, stronger than Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, Power Gem Drax, etc.... An increasingly insane and angry Thor beginning to tap into the power gem is immeasurably strong. That's about how strong Thanos is.
That's how strong THOR is. Not THANOS. Did they arm wrestle and show to stalemate? The whole league jumped Superman and couldn't contain him long. MM, Orion, WW, GL, Supeboy, Supergirl, Steel..etc. Superman had a decent showing against Asmodel, does that mean that Supes can now go and overthrow heaven?
Originally posted by aliveinboston
I am sorry to say thats not true as Thanos has fought and defeated opponents who appear much faster ... but even if it were true that Superman was faster in combat, it's like saying the Karate Kid can take Hulk Hogan just because he is faster and carries a baseball bat and shield.
You said it.."appear much faster"....So has Superman. If I gave karate kid a hammer and a shield, you best bet he woudl mash the Hulksters brain in.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
This is really quite simple. This is what a properly written Thor was able to do to Superman clone with superman powers:"http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gladiator_(Kallark)
However, Gladiator had met his match with Thor, who brutally rendered Gladiator unconscious and then hurled him through one of the Shi'ar's transportational stargates, sealing it behind him."
We all know that Thanos had no problem keeping up with an insane Thor (physically much more capable than under normal circumstances) with Mjolnir (which he had full control of) and a power gem (which Thor had probably started tapping).
Thor beat Gladiator, Superman has beaten Thor. Bad example.
If we want to go by company clones...then Mongul was made to be a clone of Thanos, who in turn is a clone of Darkseid, and Supes has beaten both.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Yet he didn't use it, did he? at least not till the end when he got fed off.And not every argument you made works with every opponent Superman will face here in the "versus" forum.
He sure did use the Gauntlets powers during battle. He was still not having an easy time even with a humongous enhancement.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He sure did use the Gauntlets powers during battle. He was still not having an easy time even with a humongous enhancement.
He did but it was after that and he started killing each one of them along with his girlfriend. He was toying with them at first but his arrogance got the better of him. But other than that, like i said, you're basing this off on one occurence. That's like not even 10% of his overall showings and saying someone could replicate that not having the same factors(as in being against a team) is unfair.
He has taken out far more that cannot be discounted.
