Mallet? Who the hell is that?
The meaning of Maul resembles a Mallet. Thus is why I like to call Maul a Mallet.
F*CK, I'M GETTING TIRED OF YOU!
I am also. *yawn*.
How the HELL is Kit going to even DREAM of touching a Teras Kasi User? How is he going to deal with a Sith Assassin? Something he has never gone up against, huh? Maul has gone against Jedi Masters . . . And won. He's gone up against unlimited vertebrae faggits . . . And won.
Maul has never, ever, ever, ever, ever, gone up against ANYONE like Kit. I thought you yourself stated you don’t go for that A>B and B>C therefore A>C BS. May have been someone else, but I’m sure it was you… Thus, even if Maul defeated fiends with unlimited vertebrae, it does not mean he can defeat Kit. If it did… although this could be considered highly illogical and is arguable… Obi-Wan managed to keep up with Maul’s moves with what appeared to be relative ease and managed to defeat him; and yet in Cestus Deception, Obi-Wan is AWED by Kit’s fighting style and speed, and even admitted that Kit was the far greater duelist.
Kenobi's opinion is irrelevant. He was a dumb ass knight who thought everything was amazing because of his lack of experience.
Wow. So I suppose Mace Windu’s opinion about Kit is irrelevant also? Kenobi wasn’t just a dumb ass knight. That’s preposterous. How can you people let him say such things! YOU DARE SPEAK OF THE LEGENDARY KENOBI THAT WAY???? Aherm. Obi-Wan was a very skilled Jedi Master. He mentions that watching Kit's moves and speed baffled and awed him, despite all his experiences of being a Jedi Knight (which includes fighting darth maul). And Kenobi is amongst the finest of the order, and that’s a FACT.
You cannot say Kit is stronger than Maul. They're parallel at the minimum, you FANBOY!!!!!
And that’s what I said, Kit’s strength was COMPARABLE if not HIGHER than Mauls.
Maul is flexible as well! And has spent his ENTIRE LIFE Fighting, killing, maiming and destroying! He is a bred KILLING MACHINE! He would tear Kit to shreds just like Sidious did!
Even with as much training Maul undertakes, he will never be as flexible as the lean green fighting machine known as Kit Fisto.
ARGHHHHHHHHHH!
Ahoy Matey!
How does he have speed surpassing Mauls? That's bullshit.
In Cestus Deception, Obi-Wan describes Kit’s moves as a blur to the human eye. Obi-Wan was awed at witnessing it, mentioning that it baffled even his experienced gaze. And Obi-Wan had been through many battles in his life time (including fighting Maul). Now, here’s a quote directly from the book: “He rode the JK’s yanking motion instead of fighting it, slipping between the tendrils, the Nautolan’s sense of timing faster and more precise than conscious thought”. Kit doesn't even need to THINK before reacting. Based on the factual evidence we have of these two warriors, I would say Kit Fisto surpasses Maul as far as speed goes.
You haven't provided proof of Kit being faster than Maul. You've only said that Kit is more flexible (FOR THE F*CKING BILLIONTH TIME)
Read my previous post, and calm down. There is proof that Kit is faster than Maul. Obi Wan was awed and baffled at Kit’s speed, and he had fought Maul before to know of his speed potential (and didn’t seem very surprised of it when they were dueling. He kept up with Maul's speed easily). Also in Cestus Deception, during a practice duel, Obi-Wan himself admits Kit is the better duelist, even calling him brilliant! Unless something outstanding is said about Maul’s speed, I'm just going to accept the fact that Kit’s faster.
Maul has strength too, if not more!
That is arguable.
I was replying to your Off Topic Fanboyism, Hypocrite.
Maul was suprised by the attack.
Databank Sez:
"Kenobi was able to surprise Maul, and cleave him in half with his saber."
Oh and Last time I checked, Maul had outmaneuvered Kenobi to get him in that pit in the first place, Medvock.
Kit was surprised by Sids attack also… so? What’s that got to do with the fight?
Spun around? That happened?
WTF!!! Have you even watched ROTS??? Argh. I’ll spare the talk; look:
Wait, it didn't! Kit was making an overhead attack. He had his Lightsaber over his head and tried to come down on Palpatine when Palpatine slashed him with enormous speed, sending him to his death.
True. After Kit spun round, he had his saber overhead, and was in the middle of a slashing stance. Now, many would say that the short timing in between these two scenes, which show us Kit spinning 360 degrees and then facing Sids delivering an overhead attack, was very badly done; and it was. Hence, many, like myself, believe that there was more to this fight then what is shown.
Kit expected death. He knew the possibility and he knew that the Sith Lord was perfectly capable of kicking his ass, which happened.
You are absolutely right here. Even from Cestus Deception, Kit expected death. He knew that one day he would fall. It was life. He had always known the possibility of death, and thus was why he was as courageous as he was, because, quite simply, he didn’t care. He was a layed back Jedi with a fairly trouble free look on life. Of course he knew the sith lord was capable of kicking his ass, although this didn’t stop him from at least attempting to save the galaxy. This is extremely off topic, but does anyone else realize only 3 Jedi have EVER dueled Lord Sidious… (in the movies)?
Either that or he didn't have the skill to keep up with a Sith.
True, but highly unlikely. He was going fine against Sidious until he slashed him during his own attack attempt.
That's exactly what happened.
Mmhmm…
Here's what I saw in the Episode III Script:
"A close shot of PALPATINE as the fight begins. Close shots of THREE JEDI getting cut down by PALPATINE. PALPATINE and MACE continue to fight.
"
??? Now I’m lost. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that the Episode III novel was based on the actual Episode III script, and in that novel, Kit managed to last longer than Agen and Saesee also. I don’t own the novel, but I’ve been told a fair bit about it. In fact… here’s a quote I found of what it says:
“Their blind lives meant nothing now. None of them. Because ahead, on the vast cliff face of the Senate Office Building, one window spat lightning into the rain to echo the lightning of the storm outside-but this lightning was the color of clashing lightsabers.
Green fans, sheets of purple-
And crimson flame.
He was too late.
The green fire faded and winked out; now the lightning was only purple and red.”
And then Anakin later enters the room to find Kit’s smiling head on his desk. See?! Kit was not afraid of death… in fact! It appears he was… the opposite! He enjoyed death!!! (???)
Hahaha! Owned!
Not even close.
The Iktotchi was trying to sense his emotions included and he died.
I thought Iktochi could only read minds? Wow! They come with the whole package! Those horny devils!
I'm sure the Iktotchi was suprised too.
I bet he was.
--
Well, according to him everything we've posted he already knows. So, I guess he already knows Maul would open a can of "whoop-ass" on Kit, but just since he loves the Nautolan, Kit "Fisto'fury", he refuses to accept the truth.
No, I've accepted the truth. And the truth is the KIT FISTO WILL WIN!!!
Admitting you have a problem is the first step, Medvock. I'm here for you.
You people kill me. 😆
Originally posted by MEDVOCK
[b]Mallet? Who the hell is that?The meaning of Maul resembles a Mallet. Thus is why I like to call Maul a Mallet.
F*CK, I'M GETTING TIRED OF YOU!
I am also. *yawn*.
How the HELL is Kit going to even DREAM of touching a Teras Kasi User? How is he going to deal with a Sith Assassin? Something he has never gone up against, huh? Maul has gone against Jedi Masters . . . And won. He's gone up against unlimited vertebrae faggits . . . And won.
Maul has never, ever, ever, ever, ever, gone up against ANYONE like Kit. I thought you yourself stated you don’t go for that A>B and B>C therefore A>C BS. May have been someone else, but I’m sure it was you… Thus, even if Maul defeated fiends with unlimited vertebrae, it does not mean he can defeat Kit. If it did… although this could be considered highly illogical and is arguable… Obi-Wan managed to keep up with Maul’s moves with what appeared to be relative ease and managed to defeat him; and yet in Cestus Deception, Obi-Wan is AWED by Kit’s fighting style and speed, and even admitted that Kit was the far greater duelist.
Kenobi's opinion is irrelevant. He was a dumb ass knight who thought everything was amazing because of his lack of experience.
Wow. So I suppose Mace Windu’s opinion about Kit is irrelevant also? Kenobi wasn’t just a dumb ass knight. That’s preposterous. How can you people let him say such things! YOU DARE SPEAK OF THE LEGENDARY KENOBI THAT WAY???? Aherm. Obi-Wan was a very skilled Jedi Master. He mentions that watching Kit's moves and speed baffled and awed him, despite all his experiences of being a Jedi Knight (which includes fighting darth maul). And Kenobi is amongst the finest of the order, and that’s a FACT.
You cannot say Kit is stronger than Maul. They're parallel at the minimum, you FANBOY!!!!!
And that’s what I said, Kit’s strength was COMPARABLE if not HIGHER than Mauls.
Maul is flexible as well! And has spent his ENTIRE LIFE Fighting, killing, maiming and destroying! He is a bred KILLING MACHINE! He would tear Kit to shreds just like Sidious did!
Even with as much training Maul undertakes, he will never be as flexible as the lean green fighting machine known as Kit Fisto.
ARGHHHHHHHHHH!
Ahoy Matey!
How does he have speed surpassing Mauls? That's bullshit.
In Cestus Deception, Obi-Wan describes Kit’s moves as a blur to the human eye. Obi-Wan was awed at witnessing it, mentioning that it baffled even his experienced gaze. And Obi-Wan had been through many battles in his life time (including fighting Maul). Now, here’s a quote directly from the book: “He rode the JK’s yanking motion instead of fighting it, slipping between the tendrils, the Nautolan’s sense of timing faster and more precise than conscious thought”. Kit doesn't even need to THINK before reacting. Based on the factual evidence we have of these two warriors, I would say Kit Fisto surpasses Maul as far as speed goes.
You haven't provided proof of Kit being faster than Maul. You've only said that Kit is more flexible (FOR THE F*CKING BILLIONTH TIME)
Read my previous post, and calm down. There is proof that Kit is faster than Maul. Obi Wan was awed and baffled at Kit’s speed, and he had fought Maul before to know of his speed potential (and didn’t seem very surprised of it when they were dueling. He kept up with Maul's speed easily). Also in Cestus Deception, during a practice duel, Obi-Wan himself admits Kit is the better duelist, even calling him brilliant! Unless something outstanding is said about Maul’s speed, I'm just going to accept the fact that Kit’s faster.
Maul has strength too, if not more!
That is arguable.
I was replying to your Off Topic Fanboyism, Hypocrite.
Maul was suprised by the attack.
Databank Sez:
"Kenobi was able to surprise Maul, and cleave him in half with his saber."
Oh and Last time I checked, Maul had outmaneuvered Kenobi to get him in that pit in the first place, Medvock.
Kit was surprised by Sids attack also… so? What’s that got to do with the fight?
Spun around? That happened?
WTF!!! Have you even watched ROTS??? Argh. I’ll spare the talk; look:
Wait, it didn't! Kit was making an overhead attack. He had his Lightsaber over his head and tried to come down on Palpatine when Palpatine slashed him with enormous speed, sending him to his death.
True. After Kit spun round, he had his saber overhead, and was in the middle of a slashing stance. Now, many would say that the short timing in between these two scenes, which show us Kit spinning 360 degrees and then facing Sids delivering an overhead attack, was very badly done; and it was. Hence, many, like myself, believe that there was more to this fight then what is shown.
Kit expected death. He knew the possibility and he knew that the Sith Lord was perfectly capable of kicking his ass, which happened.
You are absolutely right here. Even from Cestus Deception, Kit expected death. He knew that one day he would fall. It was life. He had always known the possibility of death, and thus was why he was as courageous as he was, because, quite simply, he didn’t care. He was a layed back Jedi with a fairly trouble free look on life. Of course he knew the sith lord was capable of kicking his ass, although this didn’t stop him from at least attempting to save the galaxy. This is extremely off topic, but does anyone else realize only 3 Jedi have EVER dueled Lord Sidious… (in the movies)?
Either that or he didn't have the skill to keep up with a Sith.
True, but highly unlikely. He was going fine against Sidious until he slashed him during his own attack attempt.
That's exactly what happened.
Mmhmm…
Here's what I saw in the Episode III Script:
"A close shot of PALPATINE as the fight begins. Close shots of THREE JEDI getting cut down by PALPATINE. PALPATINE and MACE continue to fight.
"??? Now I’m lost. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that the Episode III novel was based on the actual Episode III script, and in that novel, Kit managed to last longer than Agen and Saesee also. I don’t own the novel, but I’ve been told a fair bit about it. In fact… here’s a quote I found of what it says:
“Their blind lives meant nothing now. None of them. Because ahead, on the vast cliff face of the Senate Office Building, one window spat lightning into the rain to echo the lightning of the storm outside-but this lightning was the color of clashing lightsabers.
Green fans, sheets of purple-
And crimson flame.
He was too late.
The green fire faded and winked out; now the lightning was only purple and red.”And then Anakin later enters the room to find Kit’s smiling head on his desk. See?! Kit was not afraid of death… in fact! It appears he was… the opposite! He enjoyed death!!! (???)
Hahaha! Owned!
Not even close.
The Iktotchi was trying to sense his emotions included and he died.
I thought Iktochi could only read minds? Wow! They come with the whole package! Those horny devils!
I'm sure the Iktotchi was suprised too.
I bet he was.
--
Well, according to him everything we've posted he already knows. So, I guess he already knows Maul would open a can of "whoop-ass" on Kit, but just since he loves the Nautolan, Kit "Fisto'fury", he refuses to accept the truth.
No, I've accepted the truth. And the truth is the KIT FISTO WILL WIN!!!
Admitting you have a problem is the first step, Medvock. I'm here for you.
You people kill me. 😆 [/B]
1. No, Maul only killed a Jedi master superior to Kit in all ways. Kit's never fought anyone like Maul.
2. So, Kenobi thought Kit was very good...what were Obi's thoughts when he saw Maul DESTROYING HIS MASTER?
3. So...what you're saying is...Kit screwed up in the fight or was surprised by his opponent and thuis...died....WELCOME TO REALITY! Was Sidious supposed to wait until Kit was facing him and three quarters of a way through a slash at his neck to kill him?
To elaborate a little on Lightsnake's post.
Originally posted by Lightsnake 1. No, Maul only killed a Jedi master superior to Kit in all ways. Kit's never fought anyone like Maul.
Exactly the point.
Has Kit ever faced a trained master of Teräs Käsi, basically the martial art of Star Wars? Were any of his opponents even on par with Maul in unarmed combat? I highly doubt it.
We've seen Maul use Teräs Käsi in action, as well as several others. Pointing out that Maul can block, parry, perform devastating attacks, etc. Also as we've seen that Teräs Käsi has numerous stances, meaning Maul isn't limited to just one form that Kit could utilize on if the fight went on long enough.
2. So, Kenobi thought Kit was very good...what were Obi's thoughts when he saw Maul DESTROYING HIS MASTER?
Also, who made Obi-Wan an authority on unarmed combat? To my knowledge, he isn't.
3. So...what you're saying is...Kit screwed up in the fight or was surprised by his opponent and thuis...died....WELCOME TO REALITY! Was Sidious supposed to wait until Kit was facing him and three quarters of a way through a slash at his neck to kill him?
Yeah, suprised by someone who we could say is superior in lightsaber combat was the one who killed Kit. What's to say someone who is superior (and I'd say physically stronger than Sidious) in unarmed combat wouldn't be able to? Not to mention, when all you can reply with is Obi-Wan's unauthoritive quote and his "unlimited vertebrae", which none of his "blinding speed" or "unlimited vertebrae" saved him from getting a fine red lightsaber slashed across his chest.
MEDVOCK, reply to my arguments. Experience and training are the two biggest things in a fight. Maul has way more than Kit.
I believe I have replied to your arguments, Jollyjim311. You should find them a few pages back.
1. No, Maul only killed a Jedi master superior to Kit in all ways. Kit's never fought anyone like Maul.
And who was this Jedi Master superior to Kit in all ways? Kit’s never fought anyone like Maul, that is true, but Maul has never fought anyone like Kit, and that’s a fact.
2. So, Kenobi thought Kit was very good...what were Obi's thoughts when he saw Maul DESTROYING HIS MASTER?
The fact is, Obi-Wan was baffled and awed by watching Kit fight. He had never seen someone move so fast and fluently in his life. This gives us evidence that Maul was not as fast as Kit, because Obi-Wan had dueled Maul before to know of HIS speed potential. He even describes Kit as brilliant for goodness sake!
3. So...what you're saying is...Kit screwed up in the fight or was surprised by his opponent and thuis...died....WELCOME TO REALITY! Was Sidious supposed to wait until Kit was facing him and three quarters of a way through a slash at his neck to kill him?
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying! After turning around 360 degrees (or whatever it was), Kit had his arm cocked high, ready to deliver what he though would be the finishing blow, and then Sidious comes along and attacks him then and there! I’m just telling it how it is.
Has Kit ever faced a trained master of Teräs Käsi, basically the martial art of Star Wars? Were any of his opponents even on par with Maul in unarmed combat? I highly doubt it.
Not in unarmed, but armed, yes. That is if you count his friendly duel with Kenobi. Maul has never fought anyone like Kit. At least Obi-Wan, who killed Maul, fought Kit, even if it was just a sparring match.
Kit faced dozens of armed mercenaries whilst unarmed, and they couldn’t even get a hit on him. Obi-Wan, who killed Darth Maul, couldn’t keep up with Kit’s speed. Doesn’t this go to show anything?
We've seen Maul use Teräs Käsi in action, as well as several others. Pointing out that Maul can block, parry, perform devastating attacks, etc. Also as we've seen that Teräs Käsi has numerous stances, meaning Maul isn't limited to just one form that Kit could utilize on if the fight went on long enough.
Kit can do all these things too. He has the ability to attack in multiple different ways. He not only can block but he can dodge with ease. Kit is not limited to the movements Maul is able to perform. And his speed arguably surpasses Maul's, so it would be easy for him to get a hit in and dodge his attacks in time. Especially, considering the quote made in Cestus Deception, stating that Kit's sense of timing was faster and more precise than conscious thought itself.
Also, who made Obi-Wan an authority on unarmed combat? To my knowledge, he isn't.
The fact of the matter is that Obi-Wan had never seen someone move as fast and fluently in his life, even after fighting Darth Maul, whom you people claim is faster. Obi-Wan has fought both Maul (and killed him) and Kit (in a training duel) to know of their potential. And the way he describes Kit is much more expressive compared to how he describes, or appears to react to Maul.
Yeah, suprised by someone who we could say is superior in lightsaber combat was the one who killed Kit. What's to say someone who is superior (and I'd say physically stronger than Sidious) in unarmed combat wouldn't be able to? Not to mention, when all you can reply with is Obi-Wan's unauthoritive quote and his "unlimited vertebrae", which none of his "blinding speed" or "unlimited vertebrae" saved him from getting a fine red lightsaber slashed across his chest.
I’m only going by what is said in Cestus Deception. If you don’t like it, go have a cry.
Just because we don’t see Kit use his unlimited vertebrae and “surpassing” speed does not mean it doesn’t exist. Kit was obviously under certain restrictions when fighting Palpatine in the office. Not only was he confined to the small area he was in, but lightsabers were pointing in every direction. If he tried to physically dodge Sidious’s moves, he could have been hit with Mace’s. Might I also imply that Kit was fighting alongside Mace in that scene. Shii-Cho and Vaapad just do not work well together. They are of completely different fighting aspects. Thus could be why Kit did not last very long against Sidious.
Kit’s never fought anyone like Maul, that is true, but Maul has never fought anyone like Kit, and that’s a fact.
Right, and like I said, it doesn't matter for Maul, because he's dueling Kit in one of his specialities. Note that a martial artist is still able to defend/parry/counterattack/attack on another martial artist of a form he's never even seen before. It comes with the training, something we know Maul has dedicated his entire life to.
Prove up that Kit even has an idea of what to expect in unarmed combat against a master of unarmed combat, or at the least, how he'll be able to defend against blows, stances, and techniques that come in many variations. Of course, I expect "but Maul d0nt h4ve unl1m1mitd vrtbra! he d0esnt no wat h3 is f4cin'!!!!///!", well I laid it out in realistic terms, a trained master of martial arts has been able to block and defeat forms they've never even heard of. Can we say the same for Kit?
The fact is, Obi-Wan was baffled and awed by watching Kit fight.
Yes, and again -- again remind me how Obi-Wan's opinion on unarmed combat matters? If anything, I only see that Obi-Wan is the equivalent to my two-year old nephew, he's "baffled and awed, amazed" by everything he sees!
He had never seen someone move so fast and fluently in his life. This gives us evidence that Maul was not as fast as Kit, because Obi-Wan had dueled Maul before to know of HIS speed potential.
Right, it proves he's faster because Kit was using his fists, and Maul was using his lightsaber in their duel? Seriously, get a grip, buddy boy. If he's the Flash of Star Wars, where the hell was his speed when he got cut up by Sidious? "he's s0 fast z0mg!", but he couldn't even COMPLETE A SPIN in time! That sure speaks well for Kit.
He even describes Kit as brilliant for goodness sake!
Brilliant how? His intelligence? The fight was "brilliant"? What?
Also, remind me again of who Kit was facing. Droids? Droids, as we've seen, don't have a damn thing on Maul. Sure Kit can be faster than a hunk of metal, but Maul? He sure as hell wasn't fast enough to dodge Sidious' attack, or smart enough not to do a spin.
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying! After turning around 360 degrees (or whatever it was), Kit had his arm cocked high, ready to deliver what he though would be the finishing blow, and then Sidious comes along and attacks him then and there! I’m just telling it how it is.
I thought Kit was a genius, and the equivalent of the Flash though. As we see, didn't save him from a superior duelist's saber across the chest, and it sure as hell won't save him from Maul.
Not in unarmed, but armed, yes.
And Maul has fought armed and tooled many, beating one of the Order's greatest swordsman. He's also shown us his sheer power in unarmed combat as well, note this isn't a possibly trained fighter [Maul], it's a trained master of the art.
Maul has never fought anyone like Kit.
Wasn't it pointed out he beat the shit out of creatures (or something) with unlimited vertebrae? Ah, yes, sounds nothing like the feat you parade around about Kit.
At least Obi-Wan, who killed Maul, fought Kit, even if it was just a sparring match.
And the relevance in this is?
Kit faced dozens of armed mercenaries whilst unarmed, and they couldn’t even get a hit on him.
So did Zan and Zu Pike. And, hell they were just mercenaries.
Obi-Wan, who killed Darth Maul, couldn’t keep up with Kit’s speed. Doesn’t this go to show anything?
Not a damn thing actually since he held off both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, as well went on to kill Jinn when isolated, and I would clearly say Maul had Obi-Wan beaten, his arrogance is the only reason Kenobi killed him. Notice (yes, I checked it) it was roughly 25+ seconds before Obi-Wan made the jump, and in-between those 25 seconds, Maul was toying with him even though he had him beat. Not to mention, how long did Obi-Wan go on the offensive for? 4 damn seconds, which was when he broke through his lightsaber -- after that Maul overpowered Kenobi in the saber lock, and force pushed him.
Kit can do all these things too.
Yes, everyone can dodge/parry/counterattack. Good for Kit, however, the same cannot be said for "everyone" that dodging/parrying/counterattacking can be done against a trained master of TK in an unarmed fight. Also, he's shown us he can do these from untrained incompetants (any of them have unarmed combat training?). A few mercenaries? Wow, good accomplishment, Kit. A few droids? Again, Maul has done the same.
He has the ability to attack in multiple different ways. He not only can block but he can dodge with ease.
Why would he be able to dodge a trained master's moves when he couldn't even dodge a lightsaber master's moves?
You act like he really can just dodge everything that is thrown at him, well those "assumptions" are incorrect, sir. Hell, you showed us the clip that proved you wrong.
Kit is not limited to the movements Maul is able to perform. And his speed arguably surpasses Maul's, so it would be easy for him to get a hit in and dodge his attacks in time. Especially, considering the quote made in Cestus Deception, stating that Kit's sense of timing was faster and more precise than conscious thought itself.
Why don't you just write out the damn quote instead of parading around it? And, again what movements is Maul limited by? That he can't stick his head up his ass? I'd consider that an advantage.
Seriously though, his sense of timing wasn't anything obviously as we see in ROTS. And, don't pull this BS out of your ass. He's not arguably faster than Maul -- you're basing this off of a quote by a character, who's authority on the matter isn't something I'd consider convincing evidence that he's faster than Maul.
The fact of the matter is that Obi-Wan had never seen someone move as fast and fluently in his life, even after fighting Darth Maul, whom you people claim is faster.
He fought him in a lightsaber duel, not unarmed, plus it was two on one anyways. The only thing fast about Kit we saw in ROTS was his death, lol.
Obi-Wan has fought both Maul (and killed him) and Kit (in a training duel) to know of their potential. [QUOTE]What BS. He was tooled by Maul, and his master was as well. Don't even go there.
Also, it's unarmed combat -- not a lightsaber duel, therefore anything Kenobi says regarding their skills with a lightsaber is irrelevant. I have an idea though: why don't you give me the Kenobi quote?
[QUOTE]And the way he describes Kit is much more expressive compared to how he describes, or appears to react to Maul.
O RLY? When has he even described Maul? You're an idiot. Comparing what Kenobi said about Kit to what Kenobi said, or actually didn't say, about Maul. Maybe because Obi-Wan was too busy getting his (and his master's) ass handed to him to talk.
I’m only going by what is said in Cestus Deception. If you don’t like it, go have a cry.
You're the delusion fanboy who makes assertions like "KIT CAN DODGE EVRYUTHJMG!@?/!11". So, just because you cannot admit defeat, doesn't mean you weren't defeated.
Just because we don’t see Kit use his unlimited vertebrae and “surpassing” speed does not mean it doesn’t exist.
No, we've seen it. And, did it save him? No, it got him killed.
Kit was obviously under certain restrictions when fighting Palpatine in the office.
Yes, restricted because it was four masters against one damn person, right?
It was an office, alright, so prove Kit has trouble inside an office rather than out. If he was so ****ing fast he would've dodged it, or made the spin in-time. Clearly, since he died, none of this happened.
Not only was he confined to the small area he was in, but lightsabers were pointing in every direction.
Really? I didn't see any lightsaber aiming at Kit, the only lightsabers I saw were Sidious' slashing him, and Kit's lightsaber deactivating.
If he tried to physically dodge Sidious’s moves, he could have been hit with Mace’s.
Could've? He has unlimited vertebrae, he can stick his head up his ass for god's sakes. You said he can dodge anything practically, why would that not include Mace's or Sidious' saber, hmm?
Might I also imply that Kit was fighting alongside Mace in that scene. Shii-Cho and Vaapad just do not work well together. They are of completely different fighting aspects. Thus could be why Kit did not last very long against Sidious.
I'd have to give a "just no" response to this.
Perhaps Kit isn't as fast as Sidious, or as proficient as Sidious, which if he's "faster than Maul", he should be faster than Sidious, and considering Maul is far more proficient in unarmed combat (he's a master of the Star Wars martial art), I don't see Kit's lack of vertebrae saving him.
Let me go get further TK information, and more on Maul using it. As much as I hate to have to bust out the books again, you just don't seem to get it. And worst of all, you stated you won't ever accept it anyways.
Right, and like I said, it doesn't matter for Maul, because he's dueling Kit in one of his specialities. Note that a martial artist is still able to defend/parry/counterattack/attack on another martial artist of a form he's never even seen before. It comes with the training, something we know Maul has dedicated his entire life to.
Martial artists are able to defend them selves from others because, like you said, it comes with the training. They are trained to defend themselves from such moves. Kit, however, has a completely unorthodox fighting style. He could move his body in such ways that Maul could only dream of. No matter how much training Maul has undertaken, Kit is extremely different to anything he has encountered before. He is not restricted to movements that humans are, basically, he can twist his back in any way he sees fit. Kit is not just another martial artist. His fighting style is not a form. His moves are of pure instinct; he utilizes his abilities the second they are needed. And his sense of timing is faster than common sense itself. He’d know how to handle Maul.
Prove up that Kit even has an idea of what to expect in unarmed combat against a master of unarmed combat, or at the least, how he'll be able to defend against blows, stances, and techniques that come in many variations. Of course, I expect "but Maul d0nt h4ve unl1m1mitd vrtbra! he d0esnt no wat h3 is f4cin'!!!!///!", well I laid it out in realistic terms, a trained master of martial arts has been able to block and defeat forms they've never even heard of. Can we say the same for Kit?
No, you prove how Maul will be able to defend himself against Kit. Just because he’s a martial artist does not mean he comes with the whole package. HE IS NOT INVINCIBLE. As stated about a million times, Kit’s sense of timing is faster and more precise than common sense itself. He was DODGING METALLIC TENTACLES being lashed at him FROM EVERY DIRECTION. Even though he has not been trained in the martial artist ways, it does not mean he cannot defend himself from one. He wouldn’t even have to think before reacting to Maul’s moves. Not to mention that such instincts come to Jedi naturally. As I said, Kit defeated a JK droid with TENTACLES lashing at him from every direction. And yet, he was able to dodge each one. No one had ever faced such a droid before and emerged victorious. Kit also defeated a dozen mercenaries without even being touched. His abilities in this case surpass any training he could have ever received.
Yes, and again -- again remind me how Obi-Wan's opinion on unarmed combat matters? If anything, I only see that Obi-Wan is the equivalent to my two-year old nephew, he's "baffled and awed, amazed" by everything he sees!
How is it relevant? Obi-Wan is an exceptionally experienced Jedi Knight. He had defeated Maul in saber combat. And he himself describes Kit as a greater duelist than he. He mentions that his own experienced gaze was baffled at watching Kit’s moves, which could only be seen as a blur at the time.
Right, it proves he's faster because Kit was using his fists, and Maul was using his lightsaber in their duel? Seriously, get a grip, buddy boy. If he's the Flash of Star Wars, where the hell was his speed when he got cut up by Sidious? "he's s0 fast z0mg!", but he couldn't even COMPLETE A SPIN in time! That sure speaks well for Kit.
Kit was not using his fists in his duel with Obi-Wan, he was using his saber. And according to Cestus Deception, one’s speed and style in unarmed combat reflects their saber technique. I never said he’s the flash of star wars. And he did complete the spin, in less than 0.8 seconds in fact, only to be slashed across his waist during his own attack. And if you bothered to read all my argument, you would have found where I explained why Kit may not have been able to utilize his abilities. As the old saying goes; just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Brilliant how? His intelligence? The fight was "brilliant"? What?
He says to Kit Fisto, after the duel, and I quote: “You did brilliant!”.
Also, remind me again of who Kit was facing. Droids? Droids, as we've seen, don't have a damn thing on Maul. Sure Kit can be faster than a hunk of metal, but Maul? He sure as hell wasn't fast enough to dodge Sidious' attack, or smart enough not to do a spin.
Kit Fisto defeated arguably the most deadliest droid in its time. The JK-thirteen. I have gone into an extensive amount of detail in explaining this droid a few pages back, so I’m not going to repeat myself to state how deadly it is again. All I can say is that it’s speed undoubtedly surpassed any living thing in its time. And yet, Kit Fisto was able to dodge and deflect anything thrown at him. Maul has not, and I repeat, NOT faced anything like that droid. Kit also defeated a group of mercenaries with his fists. Mercenaries, might I add, that were armed.
As for the spin…
Watch the scene carefully. Notice Kit’s position. The last time he checked, Sidious was busy with Mace. He thought he had PLENTY of time to utilize a finishing move. He was aware of the risks, but being the courageous Jedi he was, he didn’t care. This was his one chance at SAVING THE GALAXY. He was willing to accept any risks. So he decided that he’d do his “MEGA WTF” spin move in order to gain speed and power for his upcoming “overhead slash”. He did not know that Sidious would just so happen as to intersect his move while he had his hand cocked up in a slashing motion. Despite all his prowess, he was not able to prevent such an attack. Now, Kit made a mistake. But it just so happens that Maul made a mistake also. Thus, their both even as far as faults go.
I thought Kit was a genius, and the equivalent of the Flash though. As we see, didn't save him from a superior duelist's saber across the chest, and it sure as hell won't save him from Maul.
And I thought I was a fanboy! You’re comparing Kit’s speed with the FLASH! Kit was under restrictions whilst fighting sidious. If you had bothered to read one of my previous posts then you would have known what they were. How won’t his speed help him against Maul??? OMFG! It's almost as if you're making every single ability kit has sound like absolute nonsense! Kit has speed, he has flexibility, and he has strength! Does that mean he's going to lose to Maul? Also note that Kit's sense of timing is faster and more precise than common sense itself.
And Maul has fought armed and tooled many, beating one of the Order's greatest swordsman. He's also shown us his sheer power in unarmed combat as well, note this isn't a possibly trained fighter [Maul], it's a trained master of the art.
Kit has fought ARMIES of Battle droids, both on land and under water. He has defeated the most deadly droid in its time. He has defeated MAGNA GUARDS with such fluency that AWED ONE OF THE HIGHEST MASTERS OF THE ORDER. He has defeated countless foes UNARMED. Just as you’ve become sick of hearing me say “Kit has unlimited vertebrae”, I have also become sick of hearing you state “Maul is a friggin Martial Artist”. Because, quite frankly, he is not INVINCIBLE.
Wasn't it pointed out he beat the shit out of creatures (or something) with unlimited vertebrae? Ah, yes, sounds nothing like the feat you parade around about Kit.
No. There is no proof that these creatures even have unlimited vertebrae. And even if they did… so? Obi-Wan Kenobi defeated Darth Maul. Obi-Wan Kenobi self admitted that Kit was a greater duelist than he. DOES THAT MEAN KIT PWNS DARTH MAUL? FROM YOUR “Maul beat unlimited vertebrae creatures thus he PWNS Kit” PERSPECTIVE? Kit has defeated the deadliest droid in its time, went up against armies of battle droids and fought the most powerful sith lord in his time. And yet, to you, this means nothing. Let’s play it fair than. I don’t give a crap what Maul has done in the past. I don’t give a damn that he has defeated the whole friggin BLACK DRAGON. IN FACT, I think Kit can WTF PWN his Zabrakian ass! I’m just playing this like you guys. AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU TELL ME ABOUT MAUL, I WILL ALWAYS SAY KIT WILL WIN. Defeating one of the most deadly (if not THE most deadly) droids in its time does not matter to you guys; therefore Maul defeating the BLACK DRAGON does not matter to me. Hence, basically, no matter what you say; KIT WINS [IMO].
And the relevance in this is?
Obi-Wan admitted that KIT FISTO was a GREATER SWORD FIGHTER THAN HE WAS. Someone who has fought DARTH MAUL, and killed him.
So did Zan and Zu Pike. And, hell they were just mercenaries.
So? Were they Maul’s brother and sister or something?
Not a damn thing actually since he held off both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, as well went on to kill Jinn when isolated, and I would clearly say Maul had Obi-Wan beaten, his arrogance is the only reason Kenobi killed him. Notice (yes, I checked it) it was roughly 25+ seconds before Obi-Wan made the jump, and in-between those 25 seconds, Maul was toying with him even though he had him beat. Not to mention, how long did Obi-Wan go on the offensive for? 4 damn seconds, which was when he broke through his lightsaber -- after that Maul overpowered Kenobi in the saber lock, and force pushed him.
From my perspective, Obi-Wan was going well if not matched with Maul. I do not see how Maul was “toying” with Obi-Wan in their duel. He managed to keep up with Maul’s speed. It was not as if he were struggling.
Yes, everyone can dodge/parry/counterattack. Good for Kit, however, the same cannot be said for "everyone" that dodging/parrying/counterattacking can be done against a trained master of TK in an unarmed fight. Also, he's shown us he can do these from untrained incompetants (any of them have unarmed combat training?). A few mercenaries? Wow, good accomplishment, Kit. A few droids? Again, Maul has done the same.
Are you implying that all the mercenaries Maul fought were masters of TK? Or are you just saying that Kit beating the crap out of a dozen armed mercenaries at a time means nothing? Are you suggesting that the JK-thirteen is nothing compared to the droids Maul fought? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
Why would he be able to dodge a trained master's moves when he couldn't even dodge a lightsaber master's moves?
You act like he really can just dodge everything that is thrown at him, well those "assumptions" are incorrect, sir. Hell, you showed us the clip that proved you wrong.
OMG! READ MY POSTS! Kit was under RESTRICTIONS when he was fighting Sidious! He could not just bend his back over whenever he damned desired! MACE WAS RIGHT NEXT TO HIM! BLADES WERE STICKING OUT EVERYWHERE! THE ROOM RESTRICTED HIS MOVEMENTS (and it shows as he desperately makes his way behind Sidious). The dodging circumstances of unarmed fighting and armed fighting with a LIGHTSABER are extremely different. Read my posts!
Why don't you just write out the damn quote instead of parading around it? And, again what movements is Maul limited by? That he can't stick his head up his ass? I'd consider that an advantage.
BUT I HAVE! HERE IS PROOF THAT YOU NOT READ MY POSTS! And here you go again. Acting like an UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE is something useless. “stick his head up his ass”. KIT HAS THE ABILITY TO BEND HIS BACK IN ANY WAY HE SEE’S FIT. MAUL DOES NOT. You see? Everything, and I mean just about EVERYTHING I post as Kit’s advantage, you make sound like it’s utterly useless and crap. My impression here is that you’re trying to say the only use of Kit’s unlimited vertebrae is being able to STICK HIS HEAD UP HIS ASS.
Seriously though, his sense of timing wasn't anything obviously as we see in ROTS. And, don't pull this BS out of your ass. He's not arguably faster than Maul -- you're basing this off of a quote by a character, who's authority on the matter isn't something I'd consider convincing evidence that he's faster than Maul.
The book (narrator) describes Kit’s moves as a blur of motion. The book (not obi-wan) describes that Kit’s sense of timing is FASTER and more PRESICE than common sense itself. Obi-Wan describes Kit as a martial friggin hurricane. Judging by what we have, I’d say Kit is faster than Maul.
He fought him in a lightsaber duel, not unarmed, plus it was two on one anyways. The only thing fast about Kit we saw in ROTS was his death, lol.
Kit Fisto fought obi-Wan ARMED too! The only thing fast YOU see about Kit was his death. If you’ve read the book than you would have seen MUCH more (ya know what I mean). Also note how fast he moves in AOTC. He begins at the same pace as the other Jedi, and clearly surpasses them!
You're the delusion fanboy who makes assertions like "KIT CAN DODGE EVRYUTHJMG!@?/!11". So, just because you cannot admit defeat, doesn't mean you weren't defeated.
Defeated at what? Trying to prove a point?
No, we've seen it. And, did it save him? No, it got him killed.
That’s like me saying Maul’s martial Arts got him killed. We have not seen him use his unlimited vertebrae in the movies, but this does not mean it doesn’t exist.
Yes, restricted because it was four masters against one damn person, right?
Yes! Kit had little room to go and to utilize. He could not have gone full out on Sids because he WAS RESTRICTED and not to mention still shocked.
It was an office, alright, so prove Kit has trouble inside an office rather than out. If he was so ****ing fast he would've dodged it, or made the spin in-time. Clearly, since he died, none of this happened.
You miss the point! Kit DID NOT HAVE ROOM! He couldn’t just bend his back over to dodge Palpatines move, because he would risk getting beheaded by Mace's saber! He couldn’t run out of the way because there were 2 other sabers swaying in the air. And he isn’t THAT fast! I said that Obi-Wan’s experienced gaze was BAFFLED at Kit’s speed, and that his moves appeared to be a blur of motion to the human eye.
Really? I didn't see any lightsaber aiming at Kit, the only lightsabers I saw were Sidious' slashing him, and Kit's lightsaber deactivating.
Actually, if you watch the scene, before Kit spins into place, both Mace and Palp’s lightsabers point into the direction Kit ends up.
Could've? He has unlimited vertebrae, he can stick his head up his ass for god's sakes. You said he can dodge anything practically, why would that not include Mace's or Sidious' saber, hmm?
Because if he tried to dodge Sidious’s saber, he could accidentally be stabbed by Mace’s! Or hit his head on the wall! (okay maybe not) An unlimited vertebra does not make Kit invincible, but it does give him the ability to dodge physical attacks. Anyway, Kit had EXTREMELLY little time to react to Sidious's blade. He had just completed a full 360 degree spin for goodness sake!
I'd have to give a "just no" response to this.
I honestly thought this was pretty much fact. In fact, I wasn’t even the one that came up with it. Someone else did.
Perhaps Kit isn't as fast as Sidious, or as proficient as Sidious, which if he's "faster than Maul", he should be faster than Sidious, and considering Maul is far more proficient in unarmed combat (he's a master of the Star Wars martial art), I don't see Kit's lack of vertebrae saving him.
Why should Kit be faster than Sidious?
Let me go get further TK information, and more on Maul using it. As much as I hate to have to bust out the books again, you just don't seem to get it. And worst of all, you stated you won't ever accept it anyways.
No, you see YOU don’t get it. Every time I state one of Kit’s abilities you make them sound as if they are CRAP. Your opinion of the advantages of having an unlimited vertebrae is being able to stick your head up your ass. Maul is a martial artist, BUT HE IS NOT INVINCIBLE! No matter how much he has trained, nothing would have prepared him for this.
Originally posted by Blaxican Style
Thats an incredibly solid argument.But only oen question, were was it said that he was THE martial artist of the Starwars universe? Aren't you sure that might be a bit of an over exaggeration? It might not be, hell, I didn't even read the comics. I'm just curious.
*Ignores the two megaposts of fanboi bullshit Medvock just posted*
I don't recall reading that in Shadow Hunter for certain. Mauls' pretty damn good. I wonder how he's stack up against the mercenary in the Medstar duology. That guy pwned jedi in unarmed combat, using Teras Kasi and echani duelling styles, along with a few others I can't recall right now.
Originally posted by Blaxican Style
Thats an incredibly solid argument.But only oen question, were was it said that he was THE martial artist of the Starwars universe? Aren't you sure that might be a bit of an over exaggeration? It might not be, hell, I didn't even read the comics. I'm just curious.
Well, there is five other styles I believe. It is somewhat of an exaggeration, but still -- we haven't seen many of the other styles in action, here's something about those five, it's not much information like I said, but it names them.
Originally posted by MEDVOCK
From my perspective, Obi-Wan was going well if not matched with Maul. I do not see how Maul was “toying” with Obi-Wan in their duel. He managed to keep up with Maul’s speed. It was not as if he were struggling.
Let me address this. I didn't say Maul was toying with Obi-Wan during their duel, I said after Maul kicked Obi-Wan down the shaft.
Also, Obi-Wan was matching Maul? Glad your perspective doesn't match anything we saw in the movie, or the script for that matter, here's a little something from the script of TPM:
The SITH LORD's moves are incredible. He is fighting the TWO JEDI at once, flipping into the air, outmaneuvering them at every turn.
I thought Obi-Wan was "matching" Maul. It seems not even two trained Jedi, and the master who was considered one of the greatest swordsman in the Order couldn't even touch him. Notice Maul "outmaneuvering them at every turn".
DARTH MAUL kicks OBI-WAN off one of the ramps and he falls several levels.
Oh yes, Obi-Wan sure as hell defended well! He got kicked three times during the duel, lol. The first one in the hanger, which he got knocked down, the second as they moved into the power generator, and he fell levels down, and the third in the melting shaft area. Yes, Maul sure as hell was even with Obi-Wan, right? Let's not forget where he bashes Qui-Gon away with his lightsaber, too (when they are first entering the generator room or whatever it is from the hanger).
The DARK LORD backs away along the catwalk into a small door. QUI-GON follows as OBI-WAN runs to catch up.
Obi-Wan was still trying to catch-up in the duel after he got kicked as noted. This so much isn't an actual point I'm making, just a supporting factor.
QUI-GON is in a split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before.
Referring to Qui-Gon Jinn, who was fighting at his best, and as it says "with a feriocity never seen before". Obviously Qui-Gon's best wasn't even able to handle Maul.
DARTH MAUL catches QUI-GON off guard. The SITH makes a quick move, bashes his lightsaber handle into QUI-GON's chin, and runs him through. QUI-GON slumps to the floor in a heap.
Qui-Gon got caught off guard, and was killed. Sound like anyone else we know?
Wait, it doesn't, because Kit's "sense of precision and timing" is so great that you can't explain how he was caught off-guard, he was just beaten by his superior, and Maul is his superior in unarmed combat as well.
The DARK LORD is relentless in his assault on the young JEDI.
Notice it doesn't say the same for the "young JEDI".
DARTH MAUL seems to have the upper hand as OBI-WAN grows weary. DARTH MAUL catches OBI-WAN off guard.
And here we go, the finale: Maul had the upper hand.
Like I said, your "perspective" is not supported by either the script or the movie.
Also, Zan and Zu Pike aren't related to Maul. They are just mercenaries trained in Teräs Käsi, and don't have the extensive training, usage of the Force, or the Darkside in their favor, and they wiped the floor with opponents noted in Shadows of the Empire (Page 13): "The soldiers had been big, strong, well trained, and armed." , and it even goes further to say: "The women weren't even breathing hard when they finished.".
And again, okay -- you could say whatever you want about Kit being stronger, but again we have this great Perry quote:" It allows a weaker person to defeat a stronger one[...]", referring to Teräs Käsi. Also, we have another great Perry quote: "I haven't gone into depth about mental and spiritual development, but it would tend to be a bit more aggressive than the Jedi arts", and remind me again: what was Kit Fisto? A Jedi...? Trained in the Jedi arts?
Seems Maul's phrenic state was more aggresive (obviously), also he's undoubtedly had more unarmed combat training than Fisto as well.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
*Ignores the two megaposts of fanboi bullshit Medvock just posted*I don't recall reading that in Shadow Hunter for certain. Mauls' pretty damn good. I wonder how he's stack up against the mercenary in the Medstar duology. That guy pwned jedi in unarmed combat, using Teras Kasi and echani duelling styles, along with a few others I can't recall right now.
Are you referring to Phow Ji? That guy was badass.
I think everyone is underestimating Kit. Maul is trained in hand to hand combat and is extremely good at it. But this doesnt mean he is guaranteed the victory. They are both extremely fit and both extremely fast. These cancel each other out. Now cutting out all the bullshit that has been posted the only thing they have over each other is:
Kits maneuverability and flexibility because of his unlimited vertebrae.
Mauls vast knowledge of martial arts.
Now with these factors in play we know that Maul is most likely to be on the offensive. He will attack Kit continuously until he either hits Kit or tires out. Now the chances of hitting Kit are slim (not impossible). Now it will eventually become a stalemate until one makes a mistake. With Maul in such a mind set of killing Kit he will become cocky and arrogant like all sith are. This means he will make a mistake. Kit is far less likely to make a mistake because his mind is not clouded with hate. This gives Kit a significant advantage. All Kit has to do is wait until Maul makes a mistake and capitalise from it. All Maul has to do is the same but the chances of Kit making a mistake are lower. This will tip the scales in Kits favor. I think that Kit would win 6/10 times.
Like I said, your "perspective" is not supported by either the script or the movie.
From a visual perspective, I myself believe Obi-Wan matched Maul in terms of speed. In the beginning of the duel, both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan duel Maul 2 on 1. Maul soon kicks Obi-Wan out of the way in an attempt to be left alone with Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan then re-enters the duel and the 2 on 1 fight continues. Notice that during just about the entire fight, Maul is continuously backing away from the Jedi? This could be because he was playing on the defensive side, or maybe the Jedi were overpowering him? After kicking Obi-Wan away again, it becomes 1 on 1 again with Qui-Gon left alone to face Maul. Maul, having been cornered, had jumped off onto another ledge. During this encounter, Qui-Gon ELBOWS and PUNCHES Maul, causing him to fall. Hang on… when did Qui-Gon learn MARTIAL ARTS??? Oh yeah! He didn’t! He’s just a Jedi! Anyway, later on, Darth Maul indeed outmaneuvers Qui-Gon and stabs him in the stomach. It is now up to Obi-Wan to finish the duel. If you watch the scene carefully, Obi-Wan is fighting at the same pace as Maul. He was FAST! And he was fighting a foe with TWO blades. Eventually, Obi-Wan makes the match even by splitting Maul’s saber in two. Now it is one blade against one. The fight proceeds with neither warrior appearing to gain the upper hand. Then, during a lock, Maul decides to force push obi-wan over an edge. Even after watching Obi-Wan look towards his master’s saber, Maul, being the overconfident fool he is, appears to ignore it and continues to watch Obi-Wan struggle, when he could have easily finished him off. Obi-Wan then manages to pull off the seemingly unthinkable, and jumps into the air, grabbing his master’s blade, and slices Maul in two. Now, if you watch the scene VERY carefully, as Obi-Wan is jumping into the air, Maul has his saber ignited. Then, just before Obi-Wan attacks Maul, it is off. WTF!
Maul is a fool! He could have finished Obi-Wan off when he had the chance, but yet he chose not to. And in my opinion, Obi-Wan was going EXTREMELY well against the sith lord. I did not see Maul gain the upper hand ONCE in that duel (besides repetitively kicking Obi-Wan over an edge).
And again, okay -- you could say whatever you want about Kit being stronger, but again we have this great Perry quote:" It allows a weaker person to defeat a stronger one[...]", referring to Teräs Käsi. Also, we have another great Perry quote: "I haven't gone into depth about mental and spiritual development, but it would tend to be a bit more aggressive than the Jedi arts", and remind me again: what was Kit Fisto? A Jedi...? Trained in the Jedi arts?
Everyone knows that Jedi use the force to help empower them in their battles. Of course, not every Jedi uses the force to such a large degree as Yoda, but they still use it to aid them in speed and strength nonetheless. This is shown in the CLONE WARS, which is indeed CANON, where Mace Windu, a Jedi, Punches the crap out of SUPER BATTLE DROIDS like a friggin martial hurricane. This goes to show that even without proper Martial Training, a Jedi is able to use the force to give them the speed and strength they need when necessary. Now, Mace Windu was destroying droids with his FISTS. Droids made of metal! Qui-Gon Jin managed to punch Maul over a ledge. It just goes to show that Jedi know a thing or two when it comes to physical fighting. And just because Teras Kasi may be a bit (notice the bit in the quote) more aggressive than the Jedi arts does not make it better. Kit has the speed and flexibility to counter this.
Seems Maul's phrenic state was more aggresive (obviously), also he's undoubtedly had more unarmed combat training than Fisto as well.
First of all, what the hell does phrenic mean?
Maul has had more training than Kit in unarmed combat. True. That does not mean he is better. As I said, Kit’s abilities, such as flexibility and extremely fast timing come to him naturally. He has no need to train in order to improve them. His background itself had already made him a courageous warrior. He has flexibility, strength and speed, and there is one thing he does A LOT of that Maul does not. Swimming. Swimming is EXCELLENT exercise. Now, Kit’s speed under water was pretty much unmatched. And it’s not because he has fins. His physical state allows him to swim as fast as he does. He has flexibility, strength and speed. Not only does this make him a great swimmer, but also a fierce warrior above water. His attack was described as absolute fluidity; one motion flowing into another. Just because Maul has had more training does not mean he will win. Kit has extreme flexibility, precise timing, strength, and speed. And yet, he hasn’t had nearly as much unarmed experience as Maul.
I thought Obi-Wan was "matching" Maul. It seems not even two trained Jedi, and the master who was considered one of the greatest swordsman in the Order couldn't even touch him. Notice Maul "outmaneuvering them at every turn".
According to what I saw on screen, Kenobi was “matching Maul”. And Qui-Gon did manage to touch Maul; physically in fact. It’s almost as if you’re implying that the Jedi didn’t even stand a chance against Maul!
Maul has experience, technique, training, and endurance on Kit.
Kit [I]may[I/] have agility.
They are about equal in speed and strength.
Maul wins.
Kit is a martial hurricane. His speed is able to ascend into a blur of motion. He has flexibility that allowed him to dodge and deflect every single tentacle lashed at him from a JK droid, and outmaneuver a dozen mercenaries’ relentless attacks due to his UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE. He has a large build and his timing is faster and more precise than common sense itself. His unorthodox fighting style managed to awe one of the highest Jedi Masters of the order. He also has the FORCE.
Personally, I think the lean green fighting machine wins.