-Fist Fight- KIT FISTO VS DARTH MAUL

Originally posted by Rampant ox
I think everyone is underestimating Kit. Maul is trained in hand to hand combat and is extremely good at it. But this doesnt mean he is guaranteed the victory. They are both extremely fit and both extremely fast. These cancel each other out. Now cutting out all the bullshit that has been posted the only thing they have over each other is:
Kits maneuverability and flexibility because of his unlimited vertebrae.
Mauls vast knowledge of martial arts.
Now with these factors in play we know that Maul is most likely to be on the offensive. He will attack Kit continuously until he either hits Kit or tires out. Now the chances of hitting Kit are slim (not impossible). Now it will eventually become a stalemate until one makes a mistake. With Maul in such a mind set of killing Kit he will become cocky and arrogant like all sith are. This means he will make a mistake. Kit is far less likely to make a mistake because his mind is not clouded with hate. This gives Kit a significant advantage. All Kit has to do is wait until Maul makes a mistake and capitalise from it. All Maul has to do is the same but the chances of Kit making a mistake are lower. This will tip the scales in Kits favor. I think that Kit would win 6/10 times.

I agree with everything you just said.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
First of all, what the hell does phrenic mean?

Originally posted by Rampant ox
I think everyone is underestimating Kit. [/i]

Not really. I will clearly acknowledge that Kit "Fisto'fury" is undoubtedly a good fighter, both unarmed and with the saber, however, Medvock is pulling stuff out of his ass (i.e. "k1t c4n d0dge errth1ng!!!//!", "k1t is g00d wit a s4ber so h3 g00d with a unarmed, c0s he un0rthdkx!!!/!" "[insert response that leans away from the point]"😉, and it's quite ridiculous.

Maul is trained in hand to hand combat and is extremely good at it. But this doesnt mean he is guaranteed the victory.

Of course it doesn't. But, there's other factors we do know, and the ones we don't know stem from Kit's abilities in unarmed combat, and the like.

They are both extremely fit and both extremely fast. These cancel each other out. Now cutting out all the bullshit that has been posted the only thing they have over each other is:
Kits maneuverability and flexibility because of his unlimited vertebrae.
Mauls vast knowledge of martial arts.

Also, Maul's maneuverability, and flexibility. Maul isn't a walking stick, we clearly see he is quite agile, while I will admit Kit has him beat on them due to his lack of vertebrae.

Now with these factors in play we know that Maul is most likely to be on the offensive. He will attack Kit continuously until he either hits Kit or tires out.

And, why would Kit be able to dodge attacks he's never even shown to have any knowledge of? Anyways, Teräs Käsi is an aggressive fighting form, here's Steve Perry's insights on it: Viewed strictly as a fighting system, the art is aggressive rather than passive -- the best defense is a good offense. When in doubt, go in and hit.

Now the chances of hitting Kit are slim (not impossible). [/i]

Why because he can dodge some tentacles? Or because he has "unlimited vertebrae"? No. We've seen Kit get hit. Once actually. And that one hit killed him.

[QUOTE]Now it will eventually become a stalemate until one makes a mistake. With Maul in such a mind set of killing Kit he will become cocky and arrogant like all sith are. This means he will make a mistake.

Stop right there. I'd like to first call bullshit on that. Because he's arrogant he's the one most likely to make a mistake? Nice logic. The only mistake Maul made regarding his arrogance was when he had Obi-Wan beat. He didn't make a mistake with Qui-Gon, assuming because he perceived Qui-Gon as a threat, and Obi-Wan as a lesser.

Also note, Kit made the mistake of attempting a spin, even if he was restricted by movements why do that? I didn't see any of the others, or Mace Windu do a spin. And, look -- Mace Windu was alive. So again, we have nothing to conclude that Maul's arrogance will lead him to a mistake. Also, how is Fisto going to dodge a trained master's attacks? The question has still gone unanswered: will the most flexible person in the world be able to dodge attacks from a trained martial arts master? The answer is simple: Hell no.

Kit is far less likely to make a mistake because his mind is not clouded with hate. This gives Kit a significant advantage.

Yes, but his mind wasn't clouded in ROTS now was it? But, yes, Sidious' was -- seeing as he's a Darkside practitioner -- and hey, he's the one who killed Kit.

All Kit has to do is wait until Maul makes a mistake and capitalise from it. All Maul has to do is the same but the chances of Kit making a mistake are lower. This will tip the scales in Kits favor. I think that Kit would win 6/10 times. [/B]

No, this doesn't tip in Kit's favor. As I pointed out, you're entire argument comes from the assumption that since Maul is arrogant he will make a mistake. He didn't make a mistake against Jinn, and he beat Kenobi, so we can say if Kit is such a "threat", Maul won't make mistakes as he didn't against Qui-Gon. And, again, I say this because in the most likely case, he perceived Qui-Gon as an actual threat, Obi-Wan, he however, did not.

Also, let me add this bit that Perry said:

Perry: I figured that teras kasi came to pass by somebody trying to come up with a more efficient fighting art, probably as an answer to one that was already around, which is how most of them seem to be created. The originator (whom I haven't thought about, really) would have been an adept in other arts, and he (or she) would have looked for holes in those and devised ways to fill them.

Got your butt kicked by a Jedi, you'd want to come up with ways to keep that from happening again.

Hm, filling holes in martial arts styles to create a form that is superior to those already in existence (about 5 noted). This would include a vast amount of things.

The last I checked Maul was the one falling in two down the chute. He hadnt beaten Kenobi yet, he had merely outclassed him. It would have been only too easy for Maul to administer the killing blow but his arrogance stopped him. That is why Kenobi won and Maul lost. This is proof that Maul (and all other sith) are arrogant.
Your argument makes it seem like Maul has a massive advantage because of martial arts knowledge. He would if Kit didnt have such a good ability at dodging things. His martial arts skill means nothing if you cant hit your opponent. So it would come down again to who would make a mistake first. And being the arrogant sith lord he is, it is more likely he will stuff up first.

Oh joy... the "Maul's arrogant and he died due to PIS... Hence, he will neccessarily be arrogant in a neutral setting versus match with no PIS."

Yeah, non sequitor. Score!

And I see Maul being able to easily hit Kit Fisto. He friggin' dodged rockets and outfought deadly droids who were capable of some of the most deadly melee styles in the era in Shadow Hunter, and that's just in the first few pages.

You say that he has dodged rockets etc. Hitting someone who is genetically made up to evade attacks and being able to dodge attacks from mindless droids are two completely different things.

I think you misunderstand- I've read Shadow Hunter AND The Cestus Deception. I know both characters pretty well. More often than not, Maul takes it. For one thing, Kit FIsto's unarmed style is Form I, literally. It's just a straightforward fighting style with a primal twist to it. He's not so damn limber and uber that he can't be hit. Hell, Asajj Ventress floored him in under a minute.

Meanwhile, you have Maul who not only is a Form VII practitioner (Meaning he has extensive knowledge of a lot of Forms, including Form I), but practices one of the most efficient and effective unarmed martial arts in the galaxy.

Maybe that helped put things in perspective for you? Or are you going to argue nonsense like Kit Fisto is going to become the Jedi Gumbi and dodge every single attack?

Im not saying that Kit wll evade every attack. Im saying that Kits genetic make up is such that he is extremely hard to hit. Maul pwns Kit in knowledge of the various martial arts, im just saying that Mauls chances of landing a hit are slim. I feel it would come down to whoever made a mistake first.

That's ridiculous. It's not like Kit Fisto can become a gas cloud and Maul can't hit him... If he were so damn hard to hit, he wouldn't have been floored by Ventress and murdered by Sidious.

I havent read about it being floored by Ventress so if you could please elaborate. As for Sidious - Kit was in a small, crowded room with a very small area to move around. Sids did wtf pwn him but that is because Kits style needs a fair bit of area to move around. The battle with Maul is taking place in a desert if I recall correctly. That means there is plenty of room for Kit to use his unlimited vertabre ti his full potential

"Unlimited veterbra"... lol

Have you read The Cestus Deception? If you haven't, you don't know enough to make a judgment call. Go get the book.

That's ridiculous. It's not like Kit Fisto can become a gas cloud and Maul can't hit him... If he were so damn hard to hit, he wouldn't have been floored by Ventress and murdered by Sidious.

Okay, let’s get things straight here. Kit was defeated by Ventress because she had been STUDYING his moves as he fought her randomly put together mercenaries beforehand. And he was not FLOORED. He was slashed across the arm. Hell, didn’t it even say Ventress came within a haired breadth of defeating Mace Windu? Ventress made a big mistake by not finishing Kit quickly, similarly to how Maul made a mistake in not finishing Kenobi.

I think you misunderstand- I've read Shadow Hunter AND The Cestus Deception. I know both characters pretty well. More often than not, Maul takes it. For one thing, Kit FIsto's unarmed style is Form I, literally. It's just a straightforward fighting style with a primal twist to it. He's not so damn limber and uber that he can't be hit. Hell, Asajj Ventress floored him in under a minute.

Lightsaber combat and Unarmed combat DOES differ. Kit Fisto’s form 1 saber technique may alter how he uses his vertebrae. Even so, it is mentioned that Kit’s fighting style is more UNORTHODOX than straightforward. And Asajj was watching Kit’s style before hand. That’s why she defeated him. Hell! She almost defeated Obi-Wan!

Meanwhile, you have Maul who not only is a Form VII practitioner (Meaning he has extensive knowledge of a lot of Forms, including Form I), but practices one of the most efficient and effective unarmed martial arts in the galaxy.

The warrior’s skills in lightsaber combat is irrelevant in this case. Form 1 is DESIGNED to enable the warrior to handle multiple different elements. HOWEVER, the fact that Maul is a Form VII practitioner and Kit is a Form 1 practitioner is IRRELEVANT in this fight. Also note that Kit was the ONLY jedi Master to have mastered this form, so his skills in the style surpassed any other Jedi's at the time.

"Unlimited veterbra"... lol

Have you read The Cestus Deception? If you haven't, you don't know enough to make a judgment call. Go get the book.

He’s read enough in this thread alone to know everything he needs in order to make a “judgement call”, Janus.

Medvock, if Kit's unlimited vertebrae is so impressive, how comes he lost to Sidious in about 10 seconds.

Medvock, if Kit's unlimited vertebrae is so impressive, how comes he lost to Sidious in about 10 seconds.

Kit was unable to use many of his abilities to the best of their advantage because he was under many restrictions in Palpatine’s office. The area was small. Had Kit attempted to move his body to the side, and the only way he COULD have dodged sidious’s maneuver was by moving to his right, he would have most likely been hit by either the wall or Mace’s blade. And I’m not joking. The last time we see Mace’s blade is during a lock with Sidious. He then moves his saber to the right; in the direction Kit ends up.

Because of such a small area, Kit literally struggled to find somewhere decent in order to pull off his attacks. In the beginning of the short duo duel, Kit literally has to move between Sidious and Mace in order to gain ENOUGH room to lay a decent hit. Kit, a master of form 1, was fighting along side a master of form VII. These two styles just do NOT go well together. Anyway, Kit decided to spin around in order to gain speed and power for the oncoming blow. The last time Kit checked, Sidious was busy with Mace in a lock. He thought he had plenty of time, or at least ENOUGH to perform his “Mega WTF” spin move.

It just so happens Kit made a mistake. He did not know that Sidious would strike him as he had his hands cocked up over head. He had hardly any time to react. Especially, considering he had just finished a 360 degree spin move; he wouldn’t be in the best shape to face Sidious’s saber.

That duel may have only been less than 10 seconds, but it just so happens to be one of the most important in the entire film. Kit was one of three Jedi to actually DUEL Sidious, thus he was one of THREE to even stand a chance at defeating the sith lord. And personally, I think he did well. Not only did he manage to defend himself from Sidious’s attacks momentarily, but he even managed to WAVE his hand to the audience. Compared to Kolar and Tiin, Kit’s a legend.

Anyway, there are obviously certain restrictions that would apply when using such abilities in a duel. Maybe Kit’s form prevented him from moving his body in such ways? I don’t know, and to tell you the truth, no one does. Kit is NOT invincible because he has an unlimited vertebra. In a fist fight against Maul, however, I honestly do not see HOW he can lose.

This thread should die. Kit cant stand up to Maul, jut reading any of his posts you realize how much of a Kit fanboy MEDVOCK is, and everyone else can see that Maul is better. Let it die. Kit has lost, MEDVOCK, weather you will admit it or not.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
This thread should die. Kit cant stand up to Maul, jut reading any of his posts you realize how much of a Kit fanboy MEDVOCK is, and everyone else can see that Maul is better. Let it die. Kit has lost, MEDVOCK, weather you will admit it or not.

I second this. Medvock is obnoxious. I guess every Nautolin is an amazing duellist because they have, and I quote, "unlimited veterbra".

I don't see how lack of vertebrae could possibly be seen as an advantage. Punching strength would be highly limited by lack of back rigidness. Maul pwns Fisto.

I am just amazed at that everyone's hinging this fight on Kit Fisto being extra bendy and thus somehow unhittable.

My Grandmother could master Form I.

Isn't that the form trained to younglings because of it's bland simplicity?

You keep on repeating yourself with the same arguments against everyone over and over again, Medvock.

Kit fought two dark siders and lost to both.

Hmm . . . I'm curious as to the outcome when he fights a true Sith.

Maul

-Maul killed a Nightsister while he was being shocked.
-Eliminated fourty (Or more) Black Sun Mercs.
-Defeated Qui Gon Jinn, who happened to be one of the greatest Jedi Masters of his time.
-Outmaneuvered Kenobi, sending him down a shaft, only to be suprise attacked by Kenobi.
-Killed three other Jedi Masters by the names of Roro Fergis, Barco Trellius and Jidis Flar.

Fisto

-Killed a Crab Droid.
-Defeated by Asajj Ventress.
-Smashed by Sidious.
-Kissed Aayla . . .

Judging by Kit's History of going up against Dark siders, he sounds like he doesn't have the experience to defeat Dark Jedi or Sith.

Judging by Maul's general life style being built around slaughtering Jedi, and his success in doing so, I'm going to say he kicks the ever living shit out of Kit Fisto, using Teras Kasi.

Take you Vertebra elsewhere, son.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
My Grandmother could master Form I.

Isn't that the form trained to younglings because of it's bland simplicity?

You keep on repeating yourself with the same arguments against everyone over and over again, Medvock.

Kit fought two dark siders and lost to both.

Hmm . . . I'm curious as to the outcome when he fights a true Sith.

Maul

-Maul killed a Nightsister while he was being shocked.
-Eliminated fourty (Or more) Black Sun Mercs.
-Defeated Qui Gon Jinn, who happened to be one of the greatest Jedi Masters of his time.
-Outmaneuvered Kenobi, sending him down a shaft, only to be suprise attacked by Kenobi.
-Killed three other Jedi Masters by the names of Roro Fergis, Barco Trellius and Jidis Flar.

Fisto

-Killed a Crab Droid.
-Defeated by Asajj Ventress.
-Smashed by Sidious.
-Kissed Aayla . . .

Judging by Kit's History of going up against Dark siders, he sounds like he doesn't have the experience to defeat Dark Jedi or Sith.

Judging by Maul's general life style being built around slaughtering Jedi, and his success in doing so, I'm going to say he kicks the ever living shit out of Kit Fisto, using Teras Kasi.

Take you Vertebra elsewhere, son.

Well said.