Superboy Prime vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by lionking
he could turn his insides in to k nite

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Cosmic_Powers_Unlimited_03_21.jpg

He could should would. Has surfer ever turned any living being into any thing like that. And Weren't precrisis kryptonians resistant to matter transmutation? you had to be magic to turn them into other things.

No, not really. Composite Superman used Element Lad's powers to transmute Superman and Batman. They were only saved when his powers and thus his transmutation wore off. Element Lad's power is matter manipulation, not magic.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He could should would. Has surfer ever turned any living being into any thing like that. And Weren't precrisis kryptonians resistant to matter transmutation? you had to be magic to turn them into other things.

PreCrisisKryptonians were resistant to . . . well everything.

Transmutation doesn't work well on kryptonians. I doubt SBP can be effected by it at all though, since he was pretty resistant to almost every thing. He even brtoke out of the phantom zone (crazy).

Originally posted by dvampire
Transmutation doesn't work well on kryptonians. I doubt SBP can be effected by it at all though, since he was pretty resistant to almost every thing. He even brtoke out of the phantom zone (crazy).

How does breaking out of the Phantom Zone = resistance to transmutation?

They're completely unrelated.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, not really. Composite Superman used Element Lad's powers to transmute Superman and Batman. They were only saved when his powers and thus his transmutation wore off. Element Lad's power is matter manipulation, not magic.

Element lad would be like a lvl 10 matter manip in Marvel. He was the best from an entire planet of matter manips. He was even powerful enough to mess with mordru a little bit.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
How does breaking out of the Phantom Zone = resistance to transmutation?

They're completely unrelated.

How about reading my whole post again.

Originally posted by dvampire
How about reading my whole post again.

And? All I see is you trying to relate two completely separate things.

Also, even though Element Lad is a better transmuter than Surfer, that still proved that PC Kryptonians could be transmuted, they weren't completely immune to it. Besides, SBP is weaker than actual PC Kryptonians were going by Silver age showings.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And? All I see is you trying to relate two completely separate things.

Also, even though Element Lad is a better transmuter than Surfer, that still proved that PC Kryptonians could be transmuted, they weren't completely immune to it. Besides, SBP is weaker than actual PC Kryptonians were going by Silver age showings.

What the Crisis did was re-assert that the "Pre Crisis" things, still stand.

Nope Jun.

He wasn't the SB who tugged all those planets on a chain. That was merely a young Clark.

He was first seen in COIE, and since been seen in IC. Thats it.

Correct, that was Superboy as in the younger version of Pre - Crisis Superman.

I dunno, I always linked the two, because that Superboy existed in a mirror of the real world, where he was the only hero in his series.
Superboy Prime had the same thing.
But yeah, thinking about it, Superboy Prime was just getting his powers in the Crisis, while that Superboy already had them.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The differences between the universe's are in each universe's vibrational frequencies(which is why they're able to overlap without interacting), so he should still be able to create a form of K-nite set to the proper frequency to take out SBP. There's a chance it wouldn't work, but logic certainly seems to suggest that it SHOULD be possible for someone like SS(unfortunately we'll likely never know for sure since they're in different companies).

SS being able to detect SBP's weakness, has about as much merit as me saying "SS will be able to detect Thanos weakness", not going to happen, as his weakness no longer even exist.

IT was completely erased from existance itself, their is no trace to replicate, nor is their any trace of the Knite in him for SS to replicate.

So no SS isn't going to be able to come up with "Earth prime Knite" 🙄

Originally posted by Juntai
Superboy Prime is an actual Pre Crisis Kryptonian.
In fact, he was the one tugging a solar system on a chain.

What the Crisis did was re-assert that the "Pre Crisis" things, still stand.

Was a galaxy actually.

Originally posted by Board Walker
SS being able to detect SBP's weakness, has about as much merit as me saying "SS will be able to detect Thanos weakness", not going to happen, as his weakness no longer even exist.

IT was completely erased from existance itself, their is no trace to replicate, nor is their any trace of the Knite in him for SS to replicate.

So no SS isn't going to be able to come up with "Earth prime Knite" 🙄

The difference between Thanos and SBP is that Thanos doesn't have any race specific weakness for SS to exploit, SBP does(if Thanos DID have a similar weakness, then SS WOULD be able to exploite it, just as he did with Gladiator).

SBP's DNA would still carry a weakness to the specific form of K-nite that was present in his home universe. The weakness hasn't disappeared, it's just that most character's can't exploit it because there's none of that specific form of K-nite lying around. By using his Cosmic Awareness Surfer should be able to detect the specific frequency of K-nite radiation necessary to bring SBP down(which he should be able to replicate with the Power Cosmic). Not many characters would be able to pull that off more than likely, but Surfer's one of the few that could.

I think the liklihood of all that going down is much less than the odds of Superboy flying over and smashing his face open.

Originally posted by Juntai
I think the liklihood of all that going down is much less than the odds of Superboy flying over and smashing his face open.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I already said that I didn't think that SS would be able to pull all of that off before SBP started beating on him(I actually gave SBP 10/10 in a strait up fight), I was just pointing out that given a free shot or two it should be possible for SS to put SBP down.

Originally posted by Juntai
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Originally posted by darthgoober
So we're in agreement then?