Originally posted by Wynndar
She Hulk is rather under rated on here. Nonetheless, strength has little to do with it; Grimm can easily out fight her. A tired Thing only took about a page to beat She Hulk when she was controlled by the puppet master.
Well if she was controlled then that reference is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Wynndar
She Hulk was depicted as being stronger than the Thing in only one instance and that was for the convenience of the plot; would u continue to entertain the idea that because She-Hulk had that strength amp she would beat Champion, Herculese, Thor, Drax, and Silver Surfer under normal conditions? That is laughable. Other than that, Grimm was always stronger, more experienced, and a better fighter. Thing has fought plenty of people with more than a marginal advantage in strength which eventually proved to be irrelevant; his value as a character is not measured purely by his strength...that is why so many people like him, they can relate to his humanity and vulnerabilities...he's still one of Marvel Earth's best warriors.
Not true at all. She Hulk has been stronger than Thing for many years. Her strength as stated in her bios can be continually increased through training with no known limit to her uppermost potential. In her Savage she hulk run she was class 50, in her time in F4 and Avengers and Sensational She hulk she was class 75 and in the early 90's she became class 90. Just under 2 years ago she was made mid level class 100 stronger than the likes of mortal Hercs and as shown at least twice as strong as the Thing. That was the last reference to her comparative strength level so unless stated or shown on panel otherwise, you would be unfounded in claiming that it was a one off plot driven occurrence. There is a precedence for She Hulk gradually increasing in strength and she has been stronger than Benjy for at least 15 years im afraid:
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Her bio from the 91 series of Handbooks. Thing has never received a rating higher than class 85. Officially he is not stronger.
She Hulk being at least twice as strong as Thing is far from a marginal strength advantage, that coupled with her brains and considerable fighting skill should gain her the majority. Thing is faaaar from one of the worlds best warriors if we're talking in terms of fighting skills, lets not over excited here.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not true at all. She Hulk has been stronger than Thing for many years. Her strength as stated in her bios can be continually increased through training with no known limit to her uppermost potential. In her Savage she hulk run she was class 50, in her time in F4 and Avengers and Sensational She hulk she was class 75 and in the early 90's she became class 90. Just under 2 years ago she was made mid level class 100 stronger than the likes of mortal Hercs and as shown at least twice as strong as the Thing. That was the last reference to her comparative strength level so unless stated or shown on panel otherwise, you would be unfounded in claiming that it was a one off plot driven occurrence. There is a precedence for She Hulk gradually increasing in strength and she has been stronger than Benjy for at least 15 years im afraid:http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/10707580750.jpg&s=x402
Her bio from the 91 series of Handbooks. Thing has never received a rating higher than class 85. Officially he is not stronger.
She Hulk being at least twice as strong as Thing is far from a marginal strength advantage, that coupled with her brains and considerable fighting skill should gain her the majority. Thing is faaaar from one of the worlds best warriors if we're talking in terms of fighting skills, lets not over excited here.
Hmm...15 years ago the Thing had knocked Hulk from the "Strongest one there is" title, his strength level has been more ambiguous than any other strong guy in Marvel; every time Richards is shown testing it on panel, Grimm goes and breaks the equipment.
Despite the very broad stokes of the pro-She-Hulk argument, she was only a temporary replacement to the Thing...she never made the impact he did...To those who dont read much F4, I hope u realize that Grimm was the leader of the F4 for some time. She Hulk's resume is clearly weaker then the Thing's.
And concerning the mind controlled She-Hulk...I dont know if u read the issue or not, but the Thing had just got done kicking Wonderman's ass and went straight into a fight with Jen...being controlled didnt seem to be a factor in the fight, Grimm simply overpowered her and wrapped her up in many yards of city street which she could break free of.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Hmm...15 years ago the Thing had knocked Hulk from the "Strongest one there is" title, his strength level has been more ambiguous than any other strong guy in Marvel; every time Richards is shown testing it on panel, Grimm goes and breaks the equipment.
Where was this ever stated or shown? Maybe in your eyes but i dont recall that being depicted and i far from remember that being made official. Therefore that point is irrelevant to this argument.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Despite the very broad stokes of the pro-She-Hulk argument, she was only a temporary replacement to the Thing...she never made the impact he did...To those who dont read much F4, I hope u realize that Grimm was the leader of the F4 for some time. She Hulk's resume is clearly weaker then the Thing's.
What does this have to do with anything? 😕
Originally posted by Wynndar
And concerning the mind controlled She-Hulk...I dont know if u read the issue or not, but the Thing had just got done kicking Wonderman's ass and went straight into a fight with Jen...being controlled didnt seem to be a factor in the fight, Grimm simply overpowered her and wrapped her up in many yards of city street which she could break free of.
You dont know for sure, youre making assumptions. A mind controlled individual does NOT equate to them under normal circumstances therefore using that incident as a reference is a pointless exercise
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where was this ever stated or shown? Maybe in your eyes but i dont recall that being depicted and i far from remember that being made official. Therefore that point is irrelevant to this argument.
U specifically made a reference to the past 15 years. 15 Years ago the Thing was in his second mutation and stronger than the Hulk. Furthermore tell me of an on panel example where the Thing's strength was maxed out? The only two on panel strength tests I can recall showed the tests ending prematurely because the Thing shattered the equipment and because the Baxter Building couldnt handle the pressure. How many times has the Thing been trapped by a villain that assumed they knew how strong he was...even Doom has underestimated him on multiple occasions.
Originally posted by GalacticStormWhat does this have to do with anything? 😕
It has to do with their caliber...Even if there is an argument regarding their strength, the Thing is still a better all around hero; he's fought and defeated more opponents that were generally more powerful than Jennifer's, he's a better strategist, and I hate to use the cliche, but he has more heart 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou dont know for sure, youre making assumptions. A mind controlled individual does NOT equate to them under normal circumstances therefore using that incident as a reference is a pointless exercise
Well i guess u have to read the issue...but simply dismissing it saying "she was mind controlled so it proves nothing" is a bit of a short sight; like I said, it was a tired Grimm that had just finished kicking Wonderman's ass, and although She Hulk may not have had all her faculties when it came to fighting, the confrontation did depict that she wasn't strong enough to take Grimm.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where was this ever stated or shown? Maybe in your eyes but i dont recall that being depicted and i far from remember that being made official. Therefore that point is irrelevant to this argument.What does this have to do with anything? 😕
You dont know for sure, youre making assumptions. A mind controlled individual does NOT equate to them under normal circumstances therefore using that incident as a reference is a pointless exercise
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[B]Where was this ever stated or shown? Maybe in your eyes but i dont recall that being depicted and i far from remember that being made official. Therefore that point is irrelevant to this argument.
Yeah...GS because you don't recall it happening...
It means...BINGO... YES...YOU ARE CORRECT...
I didn't happen...
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😆 She hulk vs Thing
Ben Grimm alias the Thing who grew up
on Yancy Street has been fighting since he
was a kid. Even if She-Hulk and the Hullk
might be stronger, the Thing would really mess
her up. If anyone remembers Fantastic Four
112, The Thing went toe to toe against the
Hulk only deafeated when Alicia called to
him and he turned his head and the
Hulk "won". They would still be fighting.
That would mean that the She Hulk is
as strong as the Hullk. Hmmmm. Just
Doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by mrpress
Current She Hulk is stronger then Thing, although by how much is suspect as the Thing tends to understate his strength to everyone. They both know each other well, so fighting skills would probably be fairly equal here. A lot depends on two things: despite her new found strength can She Hulk take a punch any better then she used to? and how smart the Thing tries to fight her (he's aware of her new strength level so he probably wouldn't just wade in to get decked). Current She Hulk would have a definite advantage, but it still might not be the slaughter everyone expects it to be.
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Did I miss somthing?
Since when is the Thing the weakest heavyweight in the MU 🤨
Seriously, dont his power upgrades count any?
Seriously right now Ben should probobly be in the 100 ton range or if not at least 98 ton range.
Seriously, all the cosmic rays he has absorbed in the past years.
Especially most recently.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Class 200?!?! 🤨Also, did you not even read my previous post?
She's stronger than Hercules, that makes her at least class 200. So what if Ben is now class 100, she still has at least twice his strength. Plus the fact that she's trained with Captain America means she now is a skilled fighter too. Nothing against Ben but he's just outclassed here.
Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
She's stronger than Hercules, that makes her at least class 200. So what if Ben is now class 100, she still has at least twice his strength. Plus the fact that she's trained with Captain America means she now is a skilled fighter too. Nothing against Ben but he's just outclassed here.
There's no such thing as Class 200!
Also, since when is she stronger than Hercules?!?
Originally posted by Darth_Erebushahahahaha stronger than hercules come on now man. wake up
She's stronger than Hercules, that makes her at least class 200. So what if Ben is now class 100, she still has at least twice his strength. Plus the fact that she's trained with Captain America means she now is a skilled fighter too. Nothing against Ben but he's just outclassed here.
