Anakin Skywalker vs Depa Billaba

Originally posted by Faunus
Um, what the hell is this? Mace's superiority should be painfully obvious, but a quick, movie point: Yoda didn't think that Obi-Wan could successfully challenge - let alone defeat - the newly elected and coronated Emperor. Mace utterly tooled said emperor. What do you draw from this? At the least, Mace would thrash Kenobi, and the result would be Mace WTFpwning Anakin, who by your own opinion is Obi-Wan's lesser.

A>B>C Arguments just don't cut it with me, dude.

"lolz! Dooku beat teh shit out of Kenobi, and Kenobi k1ll3d anakin so Dooku can kill anakin . . .LOL! BUT HE DIDNT! ANAKIN KILLED HIM!"

^ That's proof that ABC Arguments are completely invalid and I'm quite tired of hearing ABC Arguments now.

On the movie, I saw Anakin WTFpwn Mace. Yeah, it was by suprise, but pwned nonetheless.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
A>B>C Arguments just don't cut it with me, dude.

"lolz! Dooku beat teh shit out of Kenobi, and Kenobi k1ll3d anakin so Dooku can kill anakin . . .LOL! BUT HE DIDNT! ANAKIN KILLED HIM!"

Except that these situations are nothing alike, unless you consider Anakin to be superior to Palpatine. In which case you need to re-read every movie era piece of EU you've ever read.

^ That's proof that ABC Arguments are completely invalid and I'm quite tired of hearing ABC Arguments now.

That's one example of an ABC argument, and a crappy one.

On the movie, I saw Anakin WTFpwn Mace. Yeah, it was by suprise, but pwned nonetheless.

You must be jesting, Sorgo. This is just. . . ugh. I suppose Obi-Wan sucks now, too, because he chopped off Anakin's limbs ''by surprise.'' Obviously, Exar Kun sucks because Odan-Urr knocked his sorry ass to the ground with a wave of his hand. And is Revan the ultimate sux00rz because he was blasted into oblivion by his apprentice?

In all honesty, that remark didn't even deserve a rebuttal. You're seriously off your rocker.

Yes, that was dumb. But A>B>C arguments don't work. There are way too many factors. Styles and their compatibility being the most obvious of them. But there are SO many factors in the SW fights. They're not as cut and dry as you make them out to be, especially the Mustafar duel.

One of the ONLY black and white, cut and dry fights in the movies was the Duel of the fates. Everything else there was a huge amount of other "behind the scenes" things going on with all the fights.

And So, A>B>C arguments don't work.

Originally posted by Faunus
Except that these situations are nothing alike, unless you consider Anakin to be superior to Palpatine. In which case you need to re-read every movie era piece of EU you've ever read.

You think by ABC Arguments, so in your terms, Dooku was more powerful and skillful than Anakin yet he still won the fight. Just like Kenobi was the lesser skilled duelist than Anakin but still won.

Mace could be the better duelist, but that doesn't mean he'd defeat Anakin. Anakin's is younger, quicker and has a load of potential.

You used an ABC term AGAIN, dude.

So I guess Mace would hand Yoda's ass to him since Yoda was on par with Sidious and Mace defeated Sidious, yes?

That's one example of an ABC argument, and a crappy one.

No, all ABC Arguments are invalid bullshit.

Every person fights differently against the next person. Saying that because Johnny kicked Raymonds ass, and Raymond beat up Daniel doesn't mean that Daniel couldn't kick the shit out of Johnny.

ABC Arguments are completely illogical and aren't really signs of evidence when it comes to determining the winner of a duel.

You must be jesting, Sorgo. This is just. . . ugh. I suppose Obi-Wan sucks now, too, because he chopped off Anakin's limbs ''by surprise.'' Obviously, Exar Kun sucks because Odan-Urr knocked his sorry ass to the ground with a wave of his hand. And is Revan the ultimate sux00rz because he was blasted into oblivion by his apprentice?

Nah, I was just saying Anakin pwned Mace. I know it was by suprise and it didn't mean much, but I just popped it out for no sake, really.

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
What the hell? In my book, Mace got tooled by Depa in their duel, and when Depa realized what she had done, she tried to commit suicide but Nick shot her saber from her hand.

Yeah, I agree with Sorgo and ((The_Anomaly)). Except Anakin is better than Obi-Wan, Lucas says so somewhere (The Birth of the Lightsaber?). Vader only lost to Kenobi cause he was overconfident, blinded by rage, emotionally lost. Anakin was stronger than vader because he wasn't lost or blind (just a bit overconfident). he could beat Kenobi (in a long, hard duel).

Originally posted by darthsith19
Did he? I thought Depa was beating Mace cause Mace wasn't trying and then she collapsed due to exhaustion because of the dark Side or something like that.

Yeah, I agree with Sorgo and ((The_Anomaly)). Except Anakin is better than Obi-Wan, Lucas says so somewhere (The Birth of the Lightsaber?). Vader only lost to Kenobi cause he was overconfident, blinded by rage, emotionally lost. Anakin was stronger than vader because he wasn't lost or blind (just a bit overconfident). he could beat Kenobi (in a long, hard duel).

No, I don't think Anakin could defeat Kenobi.

They fought a long hard duel and Kenobi came out the victor of the fight.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Did he? I thought Depa was beating Mace cause Mace wasn't trying and then she collapsed due to exhaustion because of the dark Side or something like that.

True, Depa was winning and Mace was holding back, but only for the first half of the fight. When Mace actually started trying, he was already fatigued to a point that Depa was more than a match for him. So yeah, Depa defeated a not-quite-100%-fully-blown Mace, but she still tooled him quite convincingly. When Mace fell on the floor, Depa tried to commit suicide and ya know...

Still, Mace was all praise on Depa's abilities and capability in combat, and she did WTFpwn an entire gunship in less time then it takes for me to type this up. I know Anakin's potentially very good, but he's also all balls and glory and doesn't think for shit, and I still think Depa would defeat him.

I'm actually leaning towards Depa as well.

I don't see Anakin's attitude and cockiness and his incomplete training in Form V beating out Depa with her methodical and intense mastery of Vaapad. Just knowing Juyo/Vaapad implies extensive knowledge of several forms, along with incredible force mastery, and to her credit, Depa only lost her mental hold over the form when she was on that planet. And Mace almost lost his shit there too.

Good points. IMO, Depa was only inches below Mace in terms of force mastery and mastery of Vaapad.

I think Anakin could give her a decent fight, but I certainly don't see him winning.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I don't see Anakin's attitude and cockiness and his incomplete training in Form V beating out Depa with her methodical and intense mastery of Vaapad. Just knowing Juyo/Vaapad implies extensive knowledge of several forms, along with incredible force mastery, and to her credit, Depa only lost her mental hold over the form when she was on that planet. And Mace almost lost his shit there too.

"incomplete training in Form V" What? Anakin must have had some damn good lightsaber skill to not have been fully trained in Form V for Dooku to call him the best practitioner of the form he had ever seen... 🙄 Imagine if he had been fully trained... 😛

I don't think he actually mastered his form.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
"incomplete training in Form V" What? Anakin must have had some damn good lightsaber skill to not have been fully trained in Form V for Dooku to call him the best practitioner of the form he had ever seen... 🙄 Imagine if he had been fully trained... 😛

I agree. Dooku knows everything. If he says Anakin is the best practicioner of Form V then Anakin is the best practicioner of Form V. Dookus word is the law.

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lol Dude are you being sarcasic or serious?

Anakin would smash Depa into the ground.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Anakin would smash Depa into the ground.

No. Way. Dude.

Depa is on par with Mace in terms of lightsaber combat. Yoda in Shatterpoint suggests that only Mace might be able to take her down in a lightsaber fight which basically puts her on position number 3 in terms of duelling skill within the Jedi Order as it was right after AotC.

Force wise: Depa joined the council when she was under 30 years old and the only two other people who managed to do the same were Mace and Anakin himself which actually says a lot about her force powers / force knowledge.

Add the fact that mastery of Vaapad / form VII requires form V mastery: That means she knows Anakin's style inside out.

So she knows Anakin's form, is an outstanding duellist and force user on her own and compared to Anakin she had far more control about her force powers / emotions. I really don't see Anakin winning that fight.

I... don't see emotions making a difference in this fight. ROTS Anakin really only got emotional when fighting Obi-Wan. And that was because they were almost brothers + Padme "turning against him".