Hercules vs. Juggernaut (Prime)

Originally posted by olympian
"Overpowers Thor with ease, this is something that Hercules has not been able to accomplish."

Thats 8th day Juggernaut. The one that was stated to be more powerful. More than once in that very same story.

Are we using the most higher showings for both, then? In that case how about Herc when he was evolved -beyond- godhood?

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"Excerts so much physical force that the earth nearly crumbles Under his feet. This scan even states that never has such strength been displayed in the Natrual world. Besides that Juggernaut was excerting so much physical strength that he became immune to telepathic attack."

Check the link i provided. Newsflash. Herc and Thor have also earth shaking feats.

In fact even other top tiers do. Hello Hulk?

Juggernaut never got a power increase, he just wasn't jobbing, and he wasn't playing. He had somewhere he had to be, and like he said he wasn't about to let anybody stop him.

Now your going to say that Cyttorak was controlling him. Thats false for if he was how could he betray him? the whole reason why he fought the Exemplars is because he stated that none controls him, but him. Thus he wasn't under the control of Cyttorak.

besides that the writer stated his power is limitless

oh god 8th day was for like 2 avengers its not his norm!

"Hulk has crushed immortal Herc. twice. The first time it was professor Hulk which is a weaker version of Hulk. So that's all good. The second time Herc. got his @ss whooped so bad his dad had to save him."

They both knock each other down, none is ko. Both ended getting up unharmed.

Thats the defination of even.

Professor Hulk in case you didnt knew, wich doesnt surprise me, had the highest strenght level of a Hulk, from the -get go-. The only setback was NOT getting stronger than that. Savage starts lower.

Hulk won one time, when Herc was mortal. That only confirms what we all know. Hulk never won against a full powered Herc and only wins when the other is weaker. Works for me.

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"When Hulk hit Juggernaut in that match Juggy still thought Hulk was on his side. So chalk that one up as a cheap shot for your boy Hulk"

The same Juggernaut that ko him the first time starting with a -cheap shot-?

Snoops. I though you had learned the lesson in the WW debate. You lost that one remember? Heres the reason why you already lost this one too.

You whine about a character doing something, while forgetting the other did the very same.

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"Immortal Herc. had to have help fight Hulk in Hulk #322. Hulk was fighting the entire Avengers squad. Mindless Hulk or not Herc. didn't do very good even with help."

The same story where Hulk in one of his strongest versions ever, this side of War Hulk, failed to knock out a single person, including 90% of -both- Avengers team, who wer streeth level?

Low showings cut both ways.

The same story Hulk never came close to beat Herc and where the Olympian punched him back and forth until the beast went down?

But hey, dont take it from me. Post that whole fight for everyone to see. 👿

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"Juggernaut never got a power increase, he just wasn't jobbing, and he wasn't playing. He had somewhere he had to be, and like he said he wasn't about to let anybody stop him"

Your not getting much from that story when it ws point blank -stated- he was more powerful than before. By dialogue and narration. I recall posting the whole fight before. Do it again.

How many times does Juggernaut not job in a fight? Even when he wins a fight he jobs, and isn't written correctly.

Anyways I gave proof of what I stated so I'm not going to fret of your statement.

Even if I did agree with you the title says "Prime"

lol written correctly, you mean written the way you want him to be written🙂

8th day isn't the normal Juggs

Originally posted by soujaboy09
How many times does Juggernaut not job in a fight? Even when he wins a fight he jobs, and isn't written correctly.

Anyways I gave proof of what I stated so I'm not going to fret of your statement.

Even if I did agree with you the title says "Prime"

Originally posted by olympian
"Hulk has crushed immortal Herc. twice. The first time it was professor Hulk which is a weaker version of Hulk. So that's all good. The second time Herc. got his @ss whooped so bad his dad had to save him."

They both knock each other down, none is ko. Both ended getting up unharmed.

Thats the defination of even.

Profesor Hulk in case you didnt knew, wich doesnt surprise me, had the highest strenght level of a Hulk, from the -get go-. The only setback was NOT getting stronger than that. Savage starts lower.

Hulk won one time, when Herc was mortal. That only confirms what we all know. Hulk never won against a full powered Herc and only wins when the other is weaker. Works for me.

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"When Hulk hit Juggernaut in that match Juggy still thought Hulk was on his side. So chalk that one up as a cheap shot for your boy Hulk"

The same Juggernaut that ko him the first time starting with a -cheap shot-?

Snoops. I though you had learned the lesson in the WW debate. You lost that one remember? Heres the reason why you already lost this one too.

You whine about a character doing something, while forgetting the other did the very same.

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"Immortal Herc. had to have help fight Hulk in Hulk #322. Hulk was fighting the entire Avengers squad. Mindless Hulk or not Herc. didn't do very good even with help."

The same story where Hulk in his strongest version ever, this side of War Hulk, failed to knock out a single person, including 90% of -both- Avengers team, who wer streeth level.

Low showings cut both ways.

The same story Hulk never came close to beat Herc and where the Olympian punched him back and forth until the beast went down.

But hey, dont take it from me. Post that whole fight for everyone to see. 👿

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"Juggernaut never got a power increase, he just wasn't jobbing, and he wasn't playing. He had somewhere he had to be, and like he said he wasn't about to let anybody stop him"

Your not getting much from that story when it ws point blank -stated- he was more powerful than before. By dialogue and narration. I recall posting the whole fight before. Do it again.

Look at this scan, and tell me what Juggernaut says

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp328ck.jpg

So why would Cyttorak be increasing his power if he betrayed him?

What fight? the Juggernaut vs Thor or the Juggernaut vs Exemplars fight?

"How many times does Juggernaut not job in a fight? Even when he wins a fight he jobs, and isn't written correctly."

The same can be said for every character. How does that add to the debate? You think Herc never had low showings?

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"Look at this scan, and tell me what Juggernaut says"

The Thor-Juggernaut fight where it was stated. It was the example you used in the first place.

Originally posted by Soleran
lol written correctly, you mean written the way you want him to be written🙂

8th day isn't the normal Juggs

No, I mean written to the Full extent to his power

Most of the time when he loses it's in some stupid manner. If written correctly he would use his magic force field more, use the magic energies he can produce with his hands like he once did with the X-men ext.

Originally posted by olympian

Let me get this straight. They both knock each other down, none is ko. Both ended getting up unharmed.

Thats the defination of even.

Profesor Hulk in case you ddint knew, wich doesnt surprise me, had the highest strenght level of a Hulk, from the get go. The only setback was NOT getting stronger than that. Savage starts lower.

Hulk won one time, when Herc was mortal. That only confirms what we all know. Hulk never won against a full powered Herc and only wins when the other is weaker. Works for me.

Originally posted by olympian

The same Juggernaut that ko him the first time starting with a cheap shot?

Snoops. I though you had learned the lesson in the WW debate. You lost that one remember. heres the reason why you already lost this one too.

You argue about acharacter doing something, while forgetting the other did the very same.

The only lesson your proved to me is that you don't like the fact that DC says Wonderwoman is stronger than Herc. as I have proven. Your a sore looser is all. 💃

Originally posted by olympian

The same story where Hulk in his strongest version ever, this side of War Hulk, failed to knock out a single person, including 90% of -both- Avengers team, who wer streeth level.

The same story Hulk never came close tobeat Herc and where the Olympian punched him back and forth until the beast went down.

But hey, dont take it from me. Post that whole fight for everyone to see. 👿

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Originally posted by olympian
"How many times does Juggernaut not job in a fight? Even when he wins a fight he jobs, and isn't written correctly."

The same can be said for every character. How does that add to the debate? You think Herc never had low showings?

I agree with you a lot of characters do job

Juggernaut just doesn't use all of his powers most of the time, but he's not the only one. Thor is another character that is written poorly most of the time.

What scans did you want?

Actually, Herc could beat Juggernaut. He'd just BFR him.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Actually, Herc could beat Juggernaut. He'd just BFR him.

He'd BFr him like he did Hulk

If he did get close enough to bfr Juggernaut he would be dead

Uh, Herc nearly killed Mindless Hulk with little help. Though Juggernaut is unstoppable while moving forward, he is by no means stronger than Hercules.

I think he is stronger than Hercules, Mindlees Hulk is just as his name states "Mindless". This means that he's weaker than Savage Hulk because Mindless cant get any stronger because he has no emotions.

Ya, but I think that the Juggernaut is stronger than Herc

Uh, what has Juggernaut done that can prove that? This is "I picked up an island with my bare hands" Hercules.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
I think he is stronger than Hercules, Mindlees Hulk is just as his name states "Mindless". This means that he's weaker than Savage Hulk because Mindless cant get any stronger because he has no emotions.

Ya, but I think that the Juggernaut is stronger than Herc

and show us feats which proves this......

"Hulk #404 Hulk sent Herc. flying with a drop kick or something. Herc. was out of the fight."

Really? Explain me then why was he up when Hulk trew Juggernaut to the Avengers.

Remember. He was -out of the fight- after Hulk tossed him away like you stated. Right?

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"In the first fight Hulk had plenty of time to get his senses back. Keep tryin homie. You crack me up. The second fight was a clear sheap chot from Hulk. He knocked Juggies helmet off and the backlash knocked "

In the first fight he went down. In the second fight Jugs was down. They both kissed the floor. They both started with a cheap shot.

Thats again, even if you dont grasp the defination: even.

And Hulk put Jugs down before the backlash. A backlash everyone else got up instead of jugs. Post the whole fight if you want. We`ll wait.

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"The only lesson your proved to me is that you don't like the fact that DC says Wonderwoman is stronger than Herc. as I have proven. Your a sore looser is all"

No need to try save some face off it. You got served and even admited it.

Heres for everyone to see:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=360625&pagenumber=9#post6332361

Like everyone can see that you cant prove what you *claim*.

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"Where does it say that mindless Hulk was the strongest? He just didn't have banner in his body"

Here. See? Can you?

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1007/avengersih316g5ee0dm.jpg

He was stronger exactly because he didnt had Banner as a setback influence.

Savage in most incarnations, does. But you knew that, id wager.

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"Herc. had the help of Wonderman, Ironman, Namor, She-Hulk etc. and still got b!th slapped like a sally. This was the almighty Immortal Herc. too!!!!!!!!! "

First round he fought one on one and stalemated. Second round had more problems and still fought him all the way.

Oh wait. But who won again? I seem to recall Betty begging for Herc not to kill him. Must had been a mirage. But heck if it was a good one.

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"What scans did you want?"

Thor/Juggernaut fight under Jurgens, where 8th day Juggernaut was never stated as "boosted" according to some.

I guees I was wrong about the Hulk thing, thats my bad. I thought Savage Hulk was the strongest Hulk, I thought mindless Hulk kept a base strength because he couldn't get any angrier. I was wrong though so im sorry.

I do however stand on my statement that 8th day Juggernaut is the same as classic Juggernaut.

Who wanted scans again?

Actually, soujaboy, you're correct. Savage Hulk has the highest potential because he can think, and can have an actual temper. Mindless has the lowest base. The highest base strength is between Professor and Savage.