spetznaz
Senior Fanboy Killer
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Let's compare this.Man of Steel Superman was nowhere near Pre-Crisis. Breath of fresh air. Then what happens? Slowly but surely, DC powers everybody back up again, getting closer and closer to the pre-crisis level. Then, they have another Crisis. To be honest, it's annoying. They do it to appease the fans of their Gods, and it's stupid. What did they end up with now? Superdick version 2.0, Batgod, and Wonder B*tch. OYL, no Batman, No Wonder Psycho, and no Superman. It's not the fact that they're uber. It's the fact that they tailor Superman to be so powerful it's ridiculous, just for the sake of the fanboys.
Fair approach to the argument, and at least you did not say that Superman is too powerful and then argue on another thread how RKThor can blow planet asunder with a mighty blast of his Odin force.
Superman is definitely getting more powerful, especially when compared to his ebb (when his powers had been toned down by a considerable limit). Personally I have no problem with that (and in fact welcome it), with only one caveat: as long as he doesn’t start sneezing planets away (or for that matter blowing them apart with Odin force, flying at 100 times the speed of light ala Silver Surfer, or suddenly go from a merehex-bolt throwing probability-meddler like the Scarlet Witch into wiping out universe wide reality and literally turning everything topsy-turvy and rewriting reality just because she had some insanity malaise that might very well be just a mega case of PMS. Goodness, at least when Hal as Parallax tried doing that whole ‘re-write reality’ thing in DC he first absorbed all the energy of Oa, but all Wanda had to do was go into ‘Mama overdrive’ due to grief over the twins).
Thus, as long as Superman doesn’t start doing any of the above I have no problem with his power sets getting a boost.
And if you are honest you will agree that none of Superman’s current and ongoing power boosts have really been at a level that is obscene. And this is from a subjective as well as an objective perspective.
Yet there are characters in Marvel that all over a sudden go ‘uber’ (or for that matter even undergo sublimation, and all together bypass the ‘uber’ stage and go into the ‘re-writing reality’ aspect of things with the snap of a finger).
Now, obviously there is a case of All-Star Superman.
Aren’t his power boosts ‘obscene’ (and yet I am saying Superman’s power boosts are not a problem)?
Well, the thing is that AS-S is basically an unorthodox ‘what if.’ It is not part of the main continuity, but basically a hyped up look at the character (think of the Ultimate universe in Marvel, but maybe in a different direction). And the stories in AS-S are actually very good (even though AS-S is probably the most powerful version of Superman since Pre-Crisis). Good story, from both an artistic as well as a literally level (which is interesting since some said that an uber powerful character wouldn’t be able to hold any water when it came to consistency and constituency of story and plot, yet AS-S has explored FAR MORE components of the character than the ‘weak Superman’ story plots that you apparently like), and very well received (and no …..not just from what you call ‘Superman fanboys’).
Thus AS-S is not a good example of the power boost I am talking about since it takes place off-tangent to normal continuity, and EVEN THEN the consistency and constituency of the plot is better than a whole lot of things out there (including a lot of characters who are weak and slow and dumb and ‘human’). The whole story of AS-S can be said to be akin to the conundrum a deity (for example in old Greek plays) would find himself in, where he finds himself stuck between his own godhood and his own connection to humanity (and in AS-S case mortality since he is dying).
Although I guess it requires more thought to look at the deeper levels of this than is required, say, to thumb through an issue of Wolverine slashing at a Sentinel.
Going back to normal Superman and his power boost.
I’ve always maintained in other threads that Superman is not a male-Rogue, or a flying Colossus with Cyclop’s optic blasts and Storm’s winds, but he is the epitome of the archetypical Super super-hero.
He is supposed to be powerful, and thus if he is made to be truly strong (unlike the version where, at his weakest, he had to use some effort to lift a tank) is fine with me.
AS LONG AS THE CAVEATS I LISTED (such as the crazy pre-crisis feats, as well as some of the sudden and preposterous power boosts seen in Marvel) are noted.
A Superman who sneezes away galaxies, or re-writes reality (like the Scarlet Witch ) or wipes minds to ‘erase memory of his existence’ (like Sentry ….let me not say anything more about that character), or whips around at hundred multiples of light speed is NOT a good Superman.
And the power boosts he is been given are NOT anywhere close to the above (which is why they made the All Star version, and even that version is not flying around at hundred multiples of light speed or playing ‘Simon Says’ with reality).
Anyways, in conclusion let me say that I think you are genuine ThunderStrike (and anyways your posts always have logic, thus I believe you when you say you have an issue with such a power boost).
However I am certain that most other people saying ‘Superman is too strong,’ especially the ones who go ahead and start espousing how (Put Marvel Character Here) is so power that he/she/it can (put preposterous feat that the character couldn’t do at last publishing here) on another concurrent thread.
I’d say far and large it is people who are not happy that Superman can make their fave character (which in Marvel is usually powerful, but not powerful enough to deal with Superman ….eg Thing, Spiderman, Wolverine etc) look like a chump.
Anyways …..just my $0.02.