Global Warming: Humans or Nature?

Originally posted by KidRock
Global warming is a sham, at least man made really is. Just another ploy to squeeze taxes out of you..now it's to "save the earth" or some other bullshit.

Thank you Mr expert. Your well reasoned and fact supported argument leaves a lot of room for thought and discussion.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Thank you Mr expert. Your well reasoned and fact supported argument leaves a lot of room for thought and discussion.

People who still believe in Global Warming aren't intelligent enough to have a thought in their head anyway and thus not worth a discussion.

Originally posted by KidRock
People who still believe in Global Warming aren't intelligent enough to have a thought in their head anyway and thus not worth a discussion.

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Originally posted by KidRock
People who still believe in Global Warming aren't intelligent enough to have a thought in their head anyway and thus not worth a discussion.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What ddo you base your belief on? Just general mistrust of politicians?

No, I put my belief into the hundreds of scientists that have spoken out against it over the politicians that hypocritically preach that we all need to work together to stop global warming and conserve energy then run up a 30,000 a year utility bill.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What ddo you base your belief on? Just general mistrust of politicians?

No, it's based on the idea that scientists come up with ideas by casting bones on the ground and praying to Satan.

Originally posted by KidRock
No, I put my belief into the hundreds of scientists that have spoken out against it over the politicians that hypocritically preach that we all need to work together to stop global warming and conserve energy then run up a 30,000 a year utility bill.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What about all the scientists that spoke for it?

I cannot say I trust them as much with their political backings and sponsorships then I do the independent scientists that have come out against it.

Originally posted by KidRock
No, I put my belief into the hundreds of scientists that have spoken out against it over the politicians that hypocritically preach that we all need to work together to stop global warming and conserve energy then run up a 30,000 a year utility bill.

What about the overwhelming majority of scientists that support it? And the fact that the majority of studies finding it "not human caused" have been comissioned by indistries who's business depends on practices that contribute to Global warming.
I agree about the hypoctites like Al Gore but that's for another thread

Originally posted by KidRock
I cannot say I trust them as much with their political backings and sponsorships then I do the independent scientists that have come out against it.

Your statement makes no sense. Moneyed interests control most politicans, from both sides of the aisle. Moneyed interests are against any crackdwn of greenhouse gas emissions as it would curb profits. It's the "independant" scientists, that have nothing to gain from their stance, that say Global Warming is real.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
What about the overwhelming majority of scientists that support it? And the fact that the majority of studies finding it "not human caused" have been comissioned by indistries who's business depends on practices that contribute to Global warming.
I agree about the hypoctites like Al Gore but that's for another thread

Can I see your source for the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of scientists stating they believe this? That is a strong statement.

And that is no different then the politicians commissioning studies by scientists that agree with them so they can pin another tax on us.

Even if it IS man made, which it isn't in my opinion, what do we do about it?

Push cars like the Prius which do nothing but harm the planet even more then global warming ever will? Lol if anyone thinks the Government and Big Business wont take advantage of this new scare tactic.

There are far more interesting and important debates then the global warming ones, so I will leave this alone. I have just seen too much evidence against this scare tactic to believe in it. Hopefully everyone else will eventually before their pockets are emptied to support it.

But I will leave you with something from the National Center for Public Policy Research:

1. Is global warming occurring? Have the forecasts of global warming been confirmed by actual measurements?

There is no proof that significant man-made global warming is taking place. The computer models used in U.N. studies say the first area to heat under the "greenhouse gas effect" should be the lower atmosphere - known as the troposphere.1 Highly accurate, carefully checked satellite data have shown absolutely no such tropospheric warming. There has been surface warming of about half a degree Celsius, but this is far below the customary natural swings in surface temperatures.2

Originally posted by KidRock
Can I see your source for the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of scientists stating they believe this? That is a strong statement.

And that is no different then the politicians commissioning studies by scientists that agree with them so they can pin another tax on us.

Even if it IS man made, which it isn't in my opinion, what do we do about it?

Push cars like the Prius which do nothing but harm the planet even more then global warming ever will? Lol if anyone thinks the Government and Big Business wont take advantage of this new scare tactic.

I'm not drawing from a single source, and I don't feel like posting a dozen or so links but you can do it yourself.

Just Google the neutral phrase "Most scientists stance on global warming"
Going back I never said it was man made, I said it was human ACCERELATED, read my previous post.

There's a lot we can do and people are starting to do it, and a lot of it is little things. Big business has more to lose (AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM) from enacting environmentally friendly polocies, that's why it lobbies against them so hard.

It's fiction, it's a lie. 😉

Global Warming and Other Eco Myths: How the Environmental Movement Uses False Science to Scare Us to Death

Chicken Little

Henny Penny

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Originally posted by inimalist
very well, internet documentary found on youtube

my point was rather, why not trust the people who are most likely to know what is going on, and not some guy who is almost certainly not educated enough to.

Like, NASA was going on about greenhouse gasses and warming in the 80s. The Regan, Bush 1 & 2 and clinton whitehouses fought the information and did their best to prevent its release.

Was there valid scientific debate over the past 20 years? sure, very little of it was even related to what was shown in the swindle movie.

Shut the **** up; you don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
I don't agree. He makes an argument and does attempt to use some science and facts but also leaves a LOT out. Why was there no mention of the shrinking polar ice cap and Antarctic, Alaskan, and Greenland glaciers? I have seen the satellite photos myself. What about changing weather patterns? (admittedly a lot more research needs to be done in this area)

As a lay peson It's still my feeling that global warming is real and human Accerelated. By that I acknowledge the natural cycles in the earth's climate but feel humanity is making the process happen much faster than it naturally should.

Originally posted by KidRock
Global warming is a sham, at least man made really is. Just another ploy to squeeze taxes out of you..now it's to "save the earth" or some other bullshit.

Originally posted by KidRock
Can I see your source for the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of scientists stating they believe this? That is a strong statement.

And that is no different then the politicians commissioning studies by scientists that agree with them so they can pin another tax on us.

Even if it IS man made, which it isn't in my opinion, what do we do about it?

Push cars like the Prius which do nothing but harm the planet even more then global warming ever will? Lol if anyone thinks the Government and Big Business wont take advantage of this new scare tactic.

You even went as far as implying no independant scientist supports global warming, and that all those who do are bought out by political associates.

Had you observed anyone else doing this kind of behaviour, you would've ridiculed them and/or posted an unfunny picture from google.

Why are you exempt from your own morals?

Originally posted by lord xyz
It was on the television.

was that the scientific journal, television?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Shut the **** up; you don't know what you're talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen

http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/abuses_of_science/james-hansen.html

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/21/censoring_science_inside_the_political_attack

I'll go for mother nature and human beings both!!

Originally posted by inimalist
was that the scientific journal, television?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen

http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/abuses_of_science/james-hansen.html

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/21/censoring_science_inside_the_political_attack

What you don't understand is that doesn't disprove...any of his videos.

At all.

Originally posted by lord xyz
No...Channel 4.

What you don't understand is that doesn't disprove...any of his videos.

At all.