Global Warming: Humans or Nature?

Originally posted by Evil Dead
hey kid.......just 'cause you see something in a movie does not make it truth. Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't really a cyborg from the future sent back to save mankind. Tim Curry isn't really a transvestite from the planet transexual in the galaxy Transylvania. Perhaps you were confused becasue the movie had "truth" in the title. The movie is not an unbiased look at the issue. It is an editorial of one POV....one side.......that's called propoganda.

by your logic, Al Gore could stand on stage with a big ass screen telling how aliens from Andromeda are currently infiltrating the CIA and FBI and it would be truth.......'cause Al Gore said so on a film. Hell.....if he called it, "an inconvenient alien truth".....it would be irrefutable 'cause it has "truth" right there in the title.

think for yourself sheep.......anybody who get's opinions, ideas or political stances given to them in a motion picture is a moron. You've done no research. You've read no scientific journals. You watched a dvd of a guy on one side of the issue telling you what to think and bought it.............I nominate you for 2007's biggest douche in the universe award. John Edwards, look out.

You act as if you possess this great wealth of knowledge while what you say demonstrates otherwise. The manner in which you respond to my comments is truly immature and pathetic. You have emotional outbursts and while you do that you drift farther and farther away from the topic in hand. You have just proven your own stupidity. You sir have just won the biggest douche in the universe award.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Out of curiosity, if one is to compare the global cooling and warming to the cyclical yearly seasons, is there an actual phenomenal reason for this seasonal global cooling and warming as there is for the yearly seasons i.e. axial tilt.

there are several other mechanisms that influence temperature variations other than axial tilt....there is solar minimum and maximum activity...a process with an 11 year cycle

there are changes in the earths orbit around the sun on a cycle of 90,000-100,000 years

there is also a axial tilt mechanism known as precession which has a 22,000 year cycle and means that the seasons gradually shift...10,000 years ago the northern hemisphere was tilted toward the sun in december.

Dr Sami Solanki also proposes that sun is burning more intensely now than it has done in the past 1000 years and that this may have a cyclic nature and thus affect temperatures on earth in a cyclic manner

there was also a period of global cooling between the 1940's and 1970's when industrialisation of the western world was at its highest pollutant production....yet is not easily explained as to why it had the opposite affect as alleged global warming now.

Originally posted by jaden101
there are several other mechanisms that influence temperature variations other than axial tilt....there is solar minimum and maximum activity...a process with an 11 year cycle

there are changes in the earths orbit around the sun on a cycle of 90,000-100,000 years

there is also a axial tilt mechanism known as precession which has a 22,000 year cycle and means that the seasons gradually shift...10,000 years ago the northern hemisphere was tilted toward the sun in december.

Dr Sami Solanki also proposes that sun is burning more intensely now than it has done in the past 1000 years and that this may have a cyclic nature and thus affect temperatures on earth in a cyclic manner

there was also a period of global cooling between the 1940's and 1970's when industrialisation of the western world was at its highest pollutant production....yet is not easily explained as to why it had the opposite affect as alleged global warming now.

Originally posted by Hydrono
You are misunderstanding me. They demonstrated between and during the ice ages. The line still goes off the charts when it reaches the 20-21 centauries. I can’t memorize all the information in the film, so please have a look at it.

so the CO2 level stayed constant throughout out both ice ages and hotter climates than the current one...thats what you're saying...which essentially means that the changes happen regardless of CO2 levels....

Originally posted by jaden101
so the CO2 level stayed constant throughout out both ice ages and hotter climates than the current one...thats what you're saying...which essentially means that the changes happen regardless of CO2 levels....

Thanks for addressing my post like a decent person, unlike some other highly emotional/idoitic member here...

Onto the topic… I don’t think got put myself across as clearly as I had intended. The CO2 levels went up and down during and between the ice ages (remaining relatively constant). They demonstrate a link between C02 and temperature. I can’t really put the graphs information across in words, that’s why I recommend you take a look at the film.

Originally posted by Hydrono
Thanks for addressing my post like a decent person, unlike some other highly emotional/idoitic member here...

Onto the topic… I don’t think got put myself across as clearly as I had intended. The CO2 levels went up and down during and between the ice ages (remaining relatively constant). They demonstrate a link between C02 and temperature. I can’t really put the graphs information across in words, that’s why I recommend you take a look at the film.

but as someone else stated...the film is inherently biased...

it fails to acknowledge many instances where the global temperature was higher yet the CO2 levels were lower

it also fails to take into account the fact that CO2 held in the oceans is the main gas exchange mechanism with the atmosphere...the more surface area of ice there is, the less of water there is...and thus CO2 is not absorbed by the oceans in as large quanitities as when the polar caps are smaller...

not to mention that the world, as i've stated several times during other climate changes discussions on this board, is essentially a giant chemical reaction...the hotter the climate...the faster the CO2 in the atmosphere is fixed by green plants, trees, algae etc

the areas of the ocean which have risen in temperature have had blooms of algae...thus redressing the CO2 balance...

the melting of the ice caps slows down the gulf stream meaning the northern areas of the atlantic get colder...thus redressing the temperature climate

any increase is in climate temperature has its own mechanisms for repair regardless of whether or not we switch our tv's off instead of putting them on stand-by at night

Wow, you don't see flame wars about the weather that much anymore.

If anyone's up for it, I'd like to start a debate about whether or not the sun can melt a DVD that sits in your dashboard for 30 minutes in August.

Originally posted by jaden101
but as someone else stated...the film is inherently biased...

it fails to acknowledge many instances where the global temperature was higher yet the CO2 levels were lower

it also fails to take into account the fact that CO2 held in the oceans is the main gas exchange mechanism with the atmosphere...the more surface area of ice there is, the less of water there is...and thus CO2 is not absorbed by the oceans in as large quanitities as when the polar caps are smaller...

not to mention that the world, as i've stated several times during other climate changes discussions on this board, is essentially a giant chemical reaction...the hotter the climate...the faster the CO2 in the atmosphere is fixed by green plants, trees, algae etc

the areas of the ocean which have risen in temperature have had blooms of algae...thus redressing the CO2 balance...

the melting of the ice caps slows down the gulf stream meaning the northern areas of the atlantic get colder...thus redressing the temperature climate

any increase is in climate temperature has its own mechanisms for repair regardless of whether or not we switch our tv's off instead of putting them on stand-by at night

The film addresses many points that I have already forgotten. I’m assuming you haven’t had a look at it? About the film being bias, you should not let other members sum up the film for you (they could be bias themselves). Have a look at it yourself. I’m just stating the major points the film made, you will only find the finer details when you watch it for yourself. All these questions are not going to be solved on a forum, that’s why there is continuous debate. As I have said before, I can’t continuously speak for the film (taking much of my time) If I were I would have to watch it many times. I am merely the voice for the film and that's it...

Originally posted by Hydrono
The film addresses many points that I have already forgotten. I’m assuming you haven’t had a look at it? About the film being bias, you should not let other members sum up the film for you (they could be bias themselves). Have a look at it yourself. I’m just stating the major points the film made, you will only find the finer details when you watch it for yourself. All these questions are not going to be solved on a forum, that’s why there is continuous debate. As I have said before, I can’t continuously speak for the film (taking much of my time) If I were I would have to watch it many times. I am merely the voice for the film and that's it...

Do you own stock in the movie?

That's a valid question, Shaky. My favorite are these junior members (PVS excluded) who post a thread that resembles:

"Hey everybody!

omg I just saw the best trailer in the world! I saw it at the local cinema and it just looks awesome!!! I just wonder if anyone else is excited about Garfield III:Litter Box Lunch as I am! Who wants to chat about this movie! I can't wait until it comes out on August 23rd at 4:16 PM in 5 select cities that will soon be expanded to 438 markets!!!!"

Originally posted by botankus
That's a valid question, Shaky. My favorite are these junior members (PVS excluded) who post a thread that resembles:

"Hey everybody!

omg I just saw the best trailer in the world! I saw it at the local cinema and it just looks awesome!!! I just wonder if anyone else is excited about Garfield III:Litter Box Lunch as I am! Who wants to chat about this movie! I can't wait until it comes out on August 23rd at 4:16 PM in 5 select cities that will soon be expanded to 438 markets!!!!"

What? I am merely impressed by the film.

Originally posted by botankus
That's a valid question, Shaky. My favorite are these junior members (PVS excluded) who post a thread that resembles:

"Hey everybody!

omg I just saw the best trailer in the world! I saw it at the local cinema and it just looks awesome!!! I just wonder if anyone else is excited about Garfield III:Litter Box Lunch as I am! Who wants to chat about this movie! I can't wait until it comes out on August 23rd at 4:16 PM in 5 select cities that will soon be expanded to 438 markets!!!!"

😆 They try to hide and be just some poster who saw the movie and liked it, but they stand out like a sour thumb. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😆 They try to hide and be just some poster who saw the movie and liked it, but they stand out like a sour thumb. 😆

This topic is finally going down the shit hole thanks to you...

Originally posted by Hydrono
This topic is finally going down the shit hole thanks to you...

Don't be thanking me, your the broken record.

Now, please try to answer the question that has been asked before: In your opinion, what caused the last 4 ice ages? In other words, how is the warming period that we are currently going through different from the last 4 warming periods? Also, if humans are the cause for this warming period what was the cuase for all of the other warming periods that have happened in the past?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Don't be thanking me, your the broken record.

Now, please try to answer the question that has been asked before: In your opinion, what caused the last 4 ice ages? In other words, how is the warming period that we are currently going through different from the last 4 warming periods? Also, if humans are the cause for this warming period what was the cuase for all of the other warming periods that have happened in the past?

Before you ask me questions, educate yourself at go watch the film, Jezuz!

Originally posted by Hydrono
Before you ask me questions, educate yourself at go watch the film, Jezuz!

I never said I did not see the movie. I have never given you my opinion about the movie. All I've done was ask you questions. Think about the questions I've ask you, and do your own research.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I never said I did not see the movie. I have never given you my opinion about the movie. All I've done was ask you questions. Think about the questions I've ask you, and do your own research.

If you had watched the film, you would have known the answer to your question you stupid moron.

Originally posted by Hydrono
If you had watched the film, you would have known the answer to your question you stupid moron.

The movie does not address my question, and I am not the stupid moron.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The movie does not address my question, and I am not the stupid moron.

In the film itself they address the “cycle” debate, moron.

Originally posted by Hydrono
In the film itself they address the “cycle” debate, moron.

If you continue with your insulting behavior, I will report you.

Then why are their cycles? What is behind the warming and cooling cycles?