Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't care about Darwin other then an appreciation for his work. Darwin was just a man. How is Darwinism different from evolution?
Darwinism is what people call it to try to imply it is a belief system rather then a fact, I apperciate his work in natural science to but he had limits.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Darwinism is what people call it to try to imply it is a belief system rather then a fact, I apperciate his work in natural science to but he had limits.
Do you mean "...people call evolution..."? Evolution is not a belief system, it is a scientific theory. I think that you are thinking about this too much, and all of your thoughts are confusing you.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you mean "...people call evolution..."? Evolution is not a belief system, it is a scientific theory. I think that you are thinking about this too much, and all of your thoughts are confusing you.
Who's to say it's not belief system tell me what seperates a belief system from a scientific theory?
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Belief system-A shared system of beliefs and values that systematically define a way of perceiving the social, cultural, physical and psychological world.Darwinsim pretty much fits that bill, social darwinsim, survival of the fittest, etc...
I don't see how that has anything to do with evolution.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't see how that has anything to do with evolution.
social darwinism.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
social darwinism.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't see how that has anything to do with evolution.
What is your point? 🙄
A scientific theory is something supportged by facts as defined by the scientific model.
A belief is simply that- something you believe to be true., It has nothing to do with facts by default, it just may happen to coincide with facts.
People don't BELIEVE in evolution in the way other people believe in religion. They accept it as true- or the closest we have gotten to the truth- based on the available evidence.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
A scientific theory is something supportged by facts as defined by the scientific model.A belief is simply that- something you believe to be true., It has nothing to do with facts by default, it just may happen to coincide with facts.
People don't BELIEVE in evolution in the way other people believe in religion. They accept it as true- or the closest we have gotten to the truth- based on the available evidence.
I guess I could say the bible is a theory since they found evidence supporting the great flood, like seashells on mount everest.
And last I checked a truth is a fact, evolution isn't a fact it is a theory.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I guess I could say the bible is a theory since they found evidence supporting the great flood, like seashells on mount everest.And last I checked a truth is a fact, evolution isn't a fact it is a theory.
Please go back to school. The top of mount Everest was once, a long time ago, at the bottom of a sea.
Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.
- Theodosius Dobzhansky "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution", American Biology Teacher vol. 35 (March 1973) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, J. Peter Zetterberg ed., ORYX Press, Phoenix AZ 1983
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I guess I could say the bible is a theory since they found evidence supporting the great flood, like seashells on mount everest.And last I checked a truth is a fact, evolution isn't a fact it is a theory.
Yep, you can also find clam shells and trilobite fossils in the American Southwest.
Originally posted by The Omega
Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.- Theodosius Dobzhansky "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution", American Biology Teacher vol. 35 (March 1973) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, J. Peter Zetterberg ed., ORYX Press, Phoenix AZ 1983
Yet again I ask for proof mutaions create traits, this is like a never ending battle.
I must be crazy since I don't belive in something that has not been proven. 🙄
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I guess I could say the bible is a theory since they found evidence supporting the great flood, like seashells on mount everest.And last I checked a truth is a fact, evolution isn't a fact it is a theory.
There is nowhere near enough evidence meeting reasonable standards for 'The Bible', as you put it.
And that final sentence ine more shows a magnificent ignorance of the term 'theory'
People who say something is 'only' a theory betray their idiocy.
Once more, current theories of evolution have only been adopted because they have met rigorous scientific standards.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
There is nowhere near enough evidence meeting reasonable standards for 'The Bible', as you put it..
I don't support the biblical argument I was simply making the point.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
People who say something is 'only' a theory betray their idiocy.Once more, current theories of evolution have only been adopted because they have met rigorous scientific standards.
Yet, regardless of all these test it still can't prove , mutations create traits. Genetic variation and genetic drift can attributed to Mendel's work
See, I don't care about this distraction you are giving there. I am not an expert on biological specifics. I can only repeat that evolutionary theory meets the standards of a rigorous scientific method, and hence is not a belief but a scientifically supported model, and is the best explanation we have yet of the development of life upon Earth.
Intelligent Design, however, IS just a belief, It is the belief that the only way that evolution works is if there is an intelligent designer. That is a hypothesis, NOT a scientifically supported theory, which is why it does not belong in science class.
If you want to tell me that our understanding of evolution is imperfect- big whoop, that's hardly news. But if you are trying to tell me that ID is a credible alternative in a scientific sense, then your sense of definition has gotten lost again.