Originally posted by Superherovandal
there isn't a mind in Marvel that can even come close to matching Lucifer and with Micheal MU is finished.
Based on what? Whilst the brothers undoutably have great power their feats are far from the greatest and on top of that as far as we've been shown the brothers have little to no experience in taking down high level beings.
You cant assume that just because theyre linked with God that they will win without a doubt. We can only go by feats and the brothers ones really arent that impressive.
Bah! Hogwash, GS. 😉 The only one who really has a chance of stopping the bros is LT. But, I see it this way, it's 2 LTs (M & L) vs. 1 (LT himself). This to me is the essence of the fight.
The HOTU is useless in this context. Lucifer COULD actually convince Thanos to use it against his own universe, and thus scoring a victory by default....Marvel's self destruction.
How can anyone come and say that well michael and lucifer van just come and destroy the mu impossible. What happened to marvels cosmic beings such as the tribunal PF IG and HOTU. You mean that lucifer and michael could just walts in and destroy the marvel univesrse without these guys doing anything about it no way. Pre rectonned beyonder wipes thiem out
Originally posted by BobbyD
Bah! Hogwash, GS. 😉 The only one who really has a chance of stopping the bros is LT. But, I see it this way, it's 2 LTs (M & L) vs. 1 (LT himself). This to me is the essence of the fight.
Thats all just your opinion im afraid and the brothers have no feats to support such an assessment.
Originally posted by BobbyD
The HOTU is useless in this context. Lucifer COULD actually convince Thanos to use it against his own universe, and thus scoring a victory by default....Marvel's self destruction.
Why is HOTU useless? How could Lucifer just come in and suddenly talk Thanos into destroying himself and the Marvel universe. Thats the most ridiculous thing ive heard in a very long time. 😉
All opinion, none of it supported on panel.
Originally posted by grey fox
What are the brothers feats ?I've heard that the brothers are bad-ass yet seen very few feat's , hell i've seen no scans of them. Ever.
Aside from both helping to create a universe, they have no high level feats. They beat down on characters considerably lower than them in the hierarchy and fanboys get all worked up over it.
Theres nothing they've done which the IG and upwards cannot do. Im not saying they arent capable of more im just saying that you cant assume so and then try and present a battle strategy based on said assumptions. ❌
This aint directed at u GF so dont worry. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Aside from both helping to create a universe, they have no high level feats. They beat down on characters considerably lower than them in the hierarchy and fanboys get all worked up over it.Theres nothing they've done which the IG and upwards cannot do. Im not saying they arent capable of more im just saying that you cant assume so and then try and present a battle strategy based on said assumptions. ❌
This aint directed at u GF so dont worry. 😉
preach on brother preach on 😆 😆 😆
Originally posted by BobbyD
Bullpoo-poo.Tomato, to-mah-toe, GS.
😂
I see your point...it's logical and makes good sense, but I just don't agree with it because I think the bros are capable of so much more.
goin by comic books then we gotta say GS has a point we need feats...personaly i dont see how the brothers can loose in either universe DC/marvel they would wipe it out of existance buts thats only me
by the bye, Lucifer isn't going to convince Thanos anything. Thanos is a lot smarter than most give him credit for. If he's got the HOTU in his hands, and Lucifer is saying use it on Marvel, Lucifer just signed his own death warrant. Thanos isn't trying to impress Death anymore. He turned her down for marriage after they mated. 😛
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
by the bye, Lucifer isn't going to convince Thanos anything. Thanos is a lot smarter than most give him credit for. If he's got the HOTU in his hands, and Lucifer is saying use it on Marvel, Lucifer just signed his own death warrant. Thanos isn't trying to impress Death anymore. He turned her down for marriage after they mated. 😛
man thats a bit far to much how can thanos be more clever than a being that was created well b4 him? thats jus silly after all the brothers are supposed to be TOAA first creation and he gave them both shit loads of powers thats jus my opinion so i may be wrong
Originally posted by tiakocom
goin by comic books then we gotta say GS has a point we need feats...personaly i dont see how the brothers can loose in either universe DC/marvel they would wipe it out of existance buts thats only me
Destroying a universe in and of itself is no big feat these days, however could the brothers do so with a variety of universal/multiversal fundamental forces a number of which have considerably better feats than them? Who knows, its debatable however an argument for the brothers cant be made based on assumption. We can only go by feats and feats wise they're beaten hands down, however if some of you wish to believe the bros are more powerful and would win then fair enough, thats understandable although not supported on panel. 😎
I always found it funny how many posters on this board assumed Michael and Lucifer were untouchable because of the "demiurgic" powers Michael has and Lucifer's task of shaping creation.
Hell, Mider even went so far as to try to get me banned from the board when I first got here for posing a logical argument as to why LT would have jurisdiction over Lucifer.
[Luckily Tron laughed in his face.]
If I remember correctly, didn't Lucifer have to get a note (approval) from God to leave creation, and then when he left creation, he used Michael's "death" to create a universe from the resultant release of Michael's demiurgic flame (or something like that).
What has Lucifer ever really done under his own power that would make him as untouchable as people on this board would make him seem?
I keep hearing how he's a master manipulator, but even Dr. Doom has pulled a fast one on a semi-"omnipotent" being (Mephisto in his own realm), and Doom doesn't even have the whole "I'm an angellic being" pedigree Lucifer can fall back.
I hear he can create universes, but didn't Franklin Richards create a succession of universes that he travelled through? Hell, haven't Captain Atom and Solar Man of the Atom created universes and multiverses respectively? And all 3 of these characters did it under their own power.
Lucifer can't even create, he simply molds what Michael releases.
He's a magical sperm sculptor. 👇
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Destroying a universe in and of itself is no big feat these days, however could the brothers do so with a variety of universal/multiversal fundamental forces a number of which have considerably better feats than them? Who knows, its debatable however an argument for the brothers cant be made based on assumption. We can only go by feats and feats wise they're beaten hands down, however if some of you wish to believe the bros are more powerful and would win then fair enough, thats understandable although not supported on panel. 😎
man i aint sayin your wrong maybe im jus caught up between comic and reality for me the brothers are the creations of god himself, so thats jus my bad but goin comic wise i dont deny that they do indeed lacks enough feasible feats to say they can take on a the whole MU universe
Originally posted by BobbyD
Indeed. ^^That's half the reason (and partially mine) why so many believe that they could wipe out the MU.
But then thats still illogical because you could debatably call LT a creation of Marvels God (if TOAA is truly marvels supreme being as it seems) and you could argue that the Phoenix Force is linked to a supreme being as has been suggested previously, so that reasoning for favouring the brothers in and of itself is flawed, especially when the brothers have considerably lower level feats and (as IIadelph highlighted) they have a number of documented limitations i.e not being able to create something on the scale of a universe singlehanded (as many in Marvel can) they are not supreme unto themselves they must abide by the rules of creation.
So they are just as much under the thumb as gods other high level creations, they just dont have the feats as or the capability apparrently.