Communism & Dictatorships

No, the USSR never actually achieved communism. Like all governemnte, a system is never practiced in its pure form. Things are altered.

Originally posted by Alliance
No, the USSR never actually achieved communism. Like all governemnte, a system is never practiced in its pure form. Things are altered.

That's right.

i hate dictatorships they are crap to be plain..

i honestly hate any form of politics.

though i am a sort of, supporter of marxism, though richard marx's original idea was brilliant and awesome, it would never have worked out in the real world.

i hate comunism, because it just is'nt run correctly, it could be good but it has too many flaws,...namely people.

Originally posted by calvs
I think you're a dumb little unintelligent *****, That's my two-cents.

I think communism, the way they designed it is excellent, It just was never used properly, god bad press, Etc...

Thats true, communism if applid properly is probably the best system

Originally posted by jasonk3
Thats true, communism if applid properly is probably the best system

Why?

First off, I am going to say I support Marxism. There is a difference between marxism and communism that needs to be addressed. Communism was invented by Lenin and was an excuse for dictatorship. In Marxism, the government is supposed "to wither away." Second, did anyone consider the fact that one of the reasons communism fails is because countries like the U.S. refuse to trade with them? Third, all of the places marxism has been attempted to be implemented, have been in politically unstable environments, a lack of strong authority would be disatrous. That is how communism ends up being the main institution. Fourth, the common belief that everyone is the same in a marxist society is wrong. The only thing that has to be the same is the quantity of wealth each citizen recieves

Originally posted by KingTut
First off, I am going to say I support Marxism. There is a difference between marxism and communism that needs to be addressed. Communism was invented by Lenin and was an excuse for dictatorship. In Marxism, the government is supposed "to wither away." Second, did anyone consider the fact that one of the reasons communism fails is because countries like the U.S. refuse to trade with them? Third, all of the places marxism has been attempted to be implemented, have been in politically unstable environments, a lack of strong authority would be disatrous. That is how communism ends up being the main institution. Fourth, the common belief that everyone is the same in a marxist society is wrong. The only thing that has to be the same is the quantity of wealth each citizen recieves

Just for people who might believe you, obviously communism was not invented by Lenin. The term existed longer. And it is based on Marx's teachings.

At least every version of communism that has been run in the world has been Leninistic. Whatever you want to call them, there are two versions of marxism/communism.

Originally posted by KingTut
At least every version of communism that has been run in the world has been Leninistic. Whatever you want to call them, there are two versions of marxism/communism.

There are many forms that call themselves Communist. But Marxist is usually seen as the true form of Communism.

Communism was never actually achieved by Russia or any of the other countries. All of them were and still are stuck in Socialism, where they have not yet returned power to the people.

Right. This is essentially what I was trying to say.

Originally posted by Council#13
Communism was never actually achieved by Russia or any of the other countries. All of them were and still are stuck in Socialism, where they have not yet returned power to the people.

Right, well I obviously didn't read all the posts. 😮 Sorry.

one of the many reasons communism hasn't been achieved: marx stated that communism was the natural governmental evolution after the fall of a capitalist society.

monarchy-revolution-capitalism-economic downfall-communism. it was supposed to come about naturally, not by force.

I've been looking for this thread. droolio

Ok first of all it needs to be known that communism is an economic system, not a political system. You can have a Communist Democracy, because democracy is a political theory while communism is, as stated before economic.

Secondly, Karl Marx put the ideals of communism down on paper. He wrote the Communist Manifesto. Marxism is, as Bardock said, the purest form of communism.

Marx said that communism was the eventual result of capitalism. Because of the bourgeois' oppression the proletarians are supposed to rise up against them. Revolution is necessary for communism.

That is incorrect. Communism is also a political system via its role as a social system. Communism is an ideology used to achieve socialism, which is what Marx was referring to.

Communism has also been present in the world. Socialism (the end goal of communism) has not, least in modern times.

Originally posted by Alliance
That is incorrect. Communism is also a political system via its role as a social system.

How do you figure? Communism calls for communal ownership of property. The fact that either a classless society, dictatorship, or anarchism can follow proves that it isn't politically based.

Because communism wants to restructure society by removing classes.

Communism is a mechanism to achieve socialism. Socialism is anarchy. By seeking to achieve the destruction of a political system, communism involves the restructuring of political institutions, making it political in nature.

Originally posted by Alliance
Communism is a mechanism to achieve socialism. Socialism is anarchy.

Wait wait wait...no, no no, you got it confused.

Socialism is a step after capitalism, and before communism. If you remember what Marx wrote, it was that the society will be firstly feudal in its system, caitalism will replace feudalism, from capitalism socialism will emerge, then and only then will the communism tuly arise.

Feudalism ----> Capitalism ----> Socialism -----> Communism

Communism is the ultimate goal, but before a country can be communist, it must go through the capitalist transformations, and industrlisations, etc. Hence Stallins weird 5 year plan, to quickly jump from feudalism to communism...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Wait wait wait...no, no no, you got it confused.

Socialism is a step after capitalism, and before communism. If you remember what Marx wrote, it was that the society will be firstly feudal in its system, caitalism will replace feudalism, from capitalism socialism will emerge, then and only then will the communism tuly arise.

Feudalism ----> Capitalism ----> Socialism -----> Communism

Communism is the ultimate goal, but before a country can be communist, it must go through the capitalist transformations, and industrlisations, etc. Hence Stallins weird 5 year plan, to quickly jump from feudalism to communism...

Also a good communism would be Anarchism in my opinion.

Except fr that lil b is right Socialism is there to achiefe Communism.