SuperBoy Prime Vs. Thanos

Originally posted by Bentley
I thought he still had the red sun weakness.

Was stated in an interview by the writers, that red sun energy doesn't weaken him as it does regular superman, but it does not empower him as yellow sun light does.

Superman primes cells when not charged run out very quickly, and with no yellow sunlight he loses power.

Its not red sunlight that weakened him, as it was shown in the comics that super boy prime was immune to red sunlight while pre crisis superman was not.

It is the lack of yellow sunlight that weakens him, thus why he made the suit after being away from a yellow sun for four years while trapped in the speed force, his cells were depleted.

SBP isn't amped any more, and Thanos is DEAD.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Prime ever punched anyone 1000times before they can react? Why even destroy the planet. When has Prime destroyed a planet while fighting an opponent as a means to defeat them or handicap them? Do you even think he is bright enough to do this? I know Thanos has caused the destruction of a planet while battling someone but I have yet to hear of Prime doing this.

Imo Thanos mindrapes him or encases him in pure force block. Those are two easy options for the win. If they brawl Thanos still wins as he has him beat in durability and feats.

Imprison SMP? Yeah because all the attempts to contain SMP have worked wonders right? 🙄

Mindrape is a viable option as SMP has shown no resistance to it, no one has tried.

In a brawl? Bullshit. SMP is MUCH stronger than Thanos, he can hold him down physically if he wanted, and would do it easily. SMP is so much faster than Thanos that Thanos would not get a single hit in. Thanos is not more durable than SMP. Not by a long shot. SMP survived the destruction of a universe, and he did it after his amp was gone. So no, in all physical ways, SMP is superior to Thanos.

Thanos takes this, and easier than you think.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Imo Thanos encases him in pure force block.

Originally posted by Board Walker
guanchi, do you honestly believe Thanos could defeat the monarch? That SMP destroyed and survived the destruction of that universe imploding in his face?

When has SMP speed blitzed everyone?
1. He speed blitzed 3 flashes simultaniously, and this was pre super [b]man prime.

2. When he is SMP on earth, he speed blitzes and over powers, earths combined forces against him.

3. He fights off earths forced, the green lanterns corps, and the yellow lanterns corps, and kills the Anti monitor all simultaniously.[/b]

IMHO, he didn't dominate everybody in Sinestro Corps War anymore than an insane Black Adam did in World War III. He actually was defeated by Earth's defense forces until the sun came up. He then defeats the Anti-Monitor AFTER a prolonged assault by the Guardians on AM and a galaxy destroying blast. Afterwards, he kills a few rookie GL's and YL's while holding off Power Girl and Superman. The two Corps and Earth's heroes were still fighting each other. They didn't all focus their attention on Superman Prime. Black Adam could kill a few rookie GLs and YL's while wrestling with Power Girl and Superman, IMHO if he had eyebeams.

Is he stronger and faster than Superman? Yes. But his feats don't demonstrate superiority on a whole other level pre-Guardian amp.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Geeze what else has SMP done?

He survived a guardians suicide attack on him, which only empowered him.

He defeated Mr MXY and forcefuly enslaved him.

He has used source wall tech, magic, and anti monitor tech

He is a pre crisis kryptonian amped by a guardians energy, what the hell is thanos going to do? This guy transcends the multiverse, their is no BFR here.

Annataz was the one who "depowered" Mr. Mxy and Mr. Mxy was playing a practical joke on Superman Prime the entire time. How many times does this have to be repeated? Did anybody read Countdown at all?

Superman Prime imitated Anti-Monitor's armor to feed him yellow sunlight and nothing more. But since when does this hypothetical fight give Superman Prime access to Source Wall tech and Annataz's magic? Superman Prime is super-intelligent with technology. That is undoubtable. Doesn't matter in these two scenarios.

For the last god damn time, Superman Prime is not a pre-Crisis Kryptonian. PC-Superboy was either a teenage Superman-1 or Superman-2. Superman Prime had a grand total of like five feats before Crisis on Infinite Earths actually happened. And none of them approached pre-Kryptonian omgwtfbbq levels. Classification through mere association = phail. Additionally, he no longer has his Guardian amp. And we all know his Guardian amp was the most likely vehicle for his ability to travel the DC multiverse.

Originally posted by Board Walker
His punches retcon reality, he defies magic, energy manipulation, has no exploitable weaknesses, what the hell is thanos going to do?

He has no magic weakness, true. But he isn't immune to magic. Either way, Thanos hasn't used magic to my knowledge except to create his Dr. Strange/Thanos hybrid clone. Superman Prime never defied active energy manipulation. And a red sun's radiation stripped him of his power. Nobody's used telepathy on him either. He's obviously subject to teleportation. It's a tough fight, one that Thanos would have to use his strategy and cunning to win, rather than on his raw power. But it's not impossible.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Was stated in an interview by the writers, that red sun energy doesn't weaken him as it does regular superman, but it does not empower him as yellow sun light does.

Superman primes cells when not charged run out very quickly, and with no yellow sunlight he loses power.

Its not red sunlight that weakened him, as it was shown in the comics that super boy prime was immune to red sunlight while pre crisis superman was not.

It is the lack of yellow sunlight that weakens him, thus why he made the suit after being away from a yellow sun for four years while trapped in the speed force, his cells were depleted.

Either way, going by your arguments, all Thanos has to do to a current Superman Prime is destroy his power armor and he's instantly depowered. That'd be pretty weak. But I certainly don't mind adopting your theory if you can give me the interview you are referring to.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
You are vastly underestimating the sheer power of SMP.
He is much, much more powerful than Odin and Tyrant combined.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Who said Superman wasn't smart?

BTW I was merely pointing out that destroying the planet could be one of the tactics he could employ in this fight, if all else fails.

Speedblitzing as fast as speed of light, and punching him a 1000 times is also logical and possible in SMP's powerset.

You are overrating Thanos because of his past accomplishments.
None of it accounts for this match.

SMP 9/10 unless proven otherwise.

Superman is intelligent but Prime is an arrogant immature adolescent who lacks a lot of things. Intelligence and quick thinking are two things he lacks here.

The Runner couldnt hit Thanos a thousand times per second and he imo is faster than Prime.

Originally posted by Board Walker
guanchi, do you honestly believe Thanos could defeat the monarch? That SMP destroyed and survived the destruction of that universe imploding in his face?

When has SMP speed blitzed everyone?
1. He speed blitzed 3 flashes simultaniously, and this was pre super [b]man prime.

2. When he is SMP on earth, he speed blitzes and over powers, earths combined forces against him.

3. He fights off earths forced, the green lanterns corps, and the yellow lanterns corps, and kills the Anti monitor all simultaniously.

Geeze what else has SMP done?

He survived a guardians suicide attack on him, which only empowered him.

He defeated Mr MXY and forcefuly enslaved him.

He has used source wall tech, magic, and anti monitor tech

He is a pre crisis kryptonian amped by a guardians energy, what the hell is thanos going to do? This guy transcends the multiverse, their is no BFR here.

His punches retcon reality, he defies magic, energy manipulation, has no exploitable weaknesses, what the hell is thanos going to do? [/B]

That was guardian amped Prime who was much more powerful than when at his core capabilities.

His punches have never retconned reality imo. He has broken out of prisons thereby retconning reality but his mere punches dont retcon reality.

He didnt kill the Am all he did was bfr him after he took a galaxy destroying blast. You seem to be pumping out lots of misinformation imo.

Yes he did fight 3 flashes and he lost. They imprisoned him. He broke out of this prison but he didnt manage to defeat these 3 flashes. He fears the flashes imo.

Annataz and Prime defeated Mxy because she took away his magical powers and broke his will. Again misinformation and lack of context imo.

This is current Prime who doesnt have the guardian powerup so all those feats are moot points. 🙂

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
SMP can blitz three Flashes simultaneously, blitzing Thanos is well within his powerset. Thanos is SLOOOOOOOOW. He hasn't destroyed a planet in a fight granted, but it is within his powerset to push a planet into Thanos, but not neccessarily in his character.

Imprison SMP? Yeah because all the attempts to contain SMP have worked wonders right? 🙄

Mindrape is a viable option as SMP has shown no resistance to it, no one has tried.

In a brawl? Bullshit. SMP is MUCH stronger than Thanos, he can hold him down physically if he wanted, and would do it easily. SMP is so much faster than Thanos that Thanos would not get a single hit in. Thanos is not more durable than SMP. Not by a long shot. SMP survived the destruction of a universe, and he did it after his amp was gone. So no, in all physical ways, SMP is superior to Thanos.

Most would agree that Thanos rapes Superman in a forum fight. But then when you talk about prime his speed somehow closes the deal when it doesnt get the win for Superman why would it seal the deal for Prime?

You realize Thanos can teleport? I cant believe you are saying that Prime would hurl planets into Thanos to beat him. I never have heard of such a thing but he teleports easily out of the way.

This block of pure force worked on Thor so I see no reason why it wouldnt work on Prime. Thor with the power gem has raped more powerful characters at once than Prime has. Prime seems to hit one and move on. Thor seemed to destroy Strange,the Watch, and the Surfer wit them having no real answer for Thor. Then they sent him to Thanos who easily stopped him. Thats how good Thanos tech is imo.

I havent read losh so did Prime survive on his own or did the time trapper save him?

Physically though Thanos cant be put down here as he has survived Odin and this was before his final upgrade. Odin>Prime imo.

Originally posted by Estacado
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So Prime can break out of the Phantom Zone and the Speed Force but Thanos will imprison him in a block of energy....

Force block imo is an easy way to win. Thor with the power gem imo was more than Prime at his base power levels.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Runner couldnt hit Thanos a thousand times per second and he imo is faster than Prime.

So why do you assume somebody like Runner can not hit Thanos a thousand times ? It's well within his power set.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Did the Runner actually try to hit Thanos a thousand times ? Of course not.

So why do you assume somebody like Runner can not hit Thanos a thousand times ? It's well within his power set.

Has the Runner hit anyone 1,000 times in a second? If you havent seen it why would you assume its possible?

I go by feats and what I see on panel.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here is my point.

Most would agree that Thanos rapes Superman in a forum fight. But then when you talk about prime his speed somehow closes the deal when it doesnt get the win for Superman why would it seal the deal for Prime?

You realize Thanos can teleport? I cant believe you are saying that Prime would hurl planets into Thanos to beat him. I never have heard of such a thing but he teleports easily out of the way.

This block of pure force worked on Thor so I see no reason why it wouldnt work on Prime. Thor with the power gem has raped more powerful characters at once than Prime has. Prime seems to hit one and move on. Thor seemed to destroy Strange,the Watch, and the Surfer wit them having no real answer for Thor. Then they sent him to Thanos who easily stopped him. Thats how good Thanos tech is imo.

I havent read losh so did Prime survive on his own or did the time trapper save him?

Physically though Thanos cant be put down here as he has survived Odin and this was before his final upgrade. Odin>Prime imo.

He needed time to break free from these constraints. Just as a bfr doesnt permanently keep you away it does grant you the win.

Force block imo is an easy way to win. Thor with the power gem imo was more than Prime at his base power levels.

Are you still with the containment block thing that u actually believe would work on PC supes. As it has been stated before, the only reason ti worked on Thor with the PG for a short bit was because he wasnt in his right mind....besdies with someone as fast as prime how do u assume Thanos could even react to someone who blitz all the flashes at once.

If we break down the stats thanos is dealing with someone much faster,phsycially stronger and just about as durable. In fact durability will probably be the only thing that keeps Thanos in this fight for awhile...thats about it. SBP 9/10

Originally posted by quanchi112
Force block imo is an easy way to win. Thor with the power gem imo was more than Prime at his base power levels.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here is my point.

Most would agree that Thanos rapes Superman in a forum fight. But then when you talk about prime his speed somehow closes the deal when it doesnt get the win for Superman why would it seal the deal for Prime?

You realize Thanos can teleport? I cant believe you are saying that Prime would hurl planets into Thanos to beat him. I never have heard of such a thing but he teleports easily out of the way.

This block of pure force worked on Thor so I see no reason why it wouldnt work on Prime. Thor with the power gem has raped more powerful characters at once than Prime has. Prime seems to hit one and move on. Thor seemed to destroy Strange,the Watch, and the Surfer wit them having no real answer for Thor. Then they sent him to Thanos who easily stopped him. Thats how good Thanos tech is imo.

I havent read losh so did Prime survive on his own or did the time trapper save him?

Physically though Thanos cant be put down here as he has survived Odin and this was before his final upgrade. Odin>Prime imo.

2. I even said it is not within his character, but he factually has moved planets like chess pieces. It shows how much stronger he is than Thanos.

3. Prime when powered by the yellow sun in SCW was nigh unstoppable, characters like Superman, Supergirl, Powergirl, Wonderwoman, and the MArtian Manhunter, all very physically powerful, could not hold down Prime once a beam of sunlight hit his hand. SMP's HV went through Superman's shoulder like butter, and this was after his solar suit was mostly destroyed. Thor with the PG has never broken through dimensions or barriers like SMP has. The Phantom Zone didn't take time to break through, he punched right through it. Oh, and Odin physically went right through the Force Block. For all of Odin's power, he is still no doubt weaker physically than SMP.

4. On the scan it shows SMP floating in space and Time Trapper pulling Prime into the future. Nothing has been said about TT reviving SMP.

5. Odin is nothing compared to SMP in a pure physical brawl for starters. And Odin's "fight" with Thanos mostly consisted of Odin beating the crap out of Thanos. Thanos mostly showed his stamina and durability to take punishment from Odin, but nothing Thanos did really affected Odin. Odin put Thanos on his ass a few times. Odin stood the entire fight. And there is a difference between being blasted and being punched, Thanos has never simply taken a punch with ease from someone as strong as SMP.

Originally posted by Estacado
Off course Thor could easily go up against Superman,Power Girl,Sentinel,John Stewart ,Kilowog ,3 Guardians a bunch of other lanterns and sinestro corp members at the same time...... 🙄

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Just outta curiosity what is the general powerlevel people consider Guardians to be? Sub-Skyfather? Skyfather? What?

Originally posted by Estacado
Well a few years ago they said that each guardian could empower a 100 gls.IIRC

So maybe Low Skyfather?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You do realize the Prime that took on the Monarch isnt in this thread dont you?

That was guardian amped Prime who was much more powerful than when at his core capabilities.

His punches have never retconned reality imo. He has broken out of prisons thereby retconning reality but his mere punches dont retcon reality.

He didnt kill the Am all he did was bfr him after he took a galaxy destroying blast. You seem to be pumping out lots of misinformation imo.

Yes he did fight 3 flashes and he lost. They imprisoned him. He broke out of this prison but he didnt manage to defeat these 3 flashes. He fears the flashes imo.

Annataz and Prime defeated Mxy because she took away his magical powers and broke his will. Again misinformation and lack of context imo.

This is current Prime who doesnt have the guardian powerup so all those feats are moot points. 🙂

The SMP who killed monarch is the SMP in this thread, forum rules state it is always current version of the character unless stated so, so yes all new showings are taken into account.

He speed blitzed 3 flashes while on earth, it wasn't until the end of the issue when 3 flashes took him to the speed zone. And even then after four years of being with no yellow sunlight to deplete his cell reserves, he still managed to defeat Bart and break out.

It was bart who was afraid of SMP when he was coming back, or are you going to tell me that when bart came to warn the others that wasn't a face of fear?

SMP defeated mxy, not annataz, he punched into the 5th dimension and pulled him out, it wasn't until later that he contracted annataz, and even then she refused to help him.

Yes this is current prime, who killed the monarch, survived the big bang at point blank, with nothing more then half his costume being tattered up.

In case you haven't kept up with prime, hes alive and well, and survived the big bang with nothing more then a few scratches, hes currently in the 31st century. And it is not stated if he lost the guardians powers, and it is also not stated if he gained monarchs powers.

So yeah, stop lying.

P.S. In case you are unfamiliar with time trapper, hes a DC villian, and old one in fact, and no he didnt revive prime, all time trapper did was move him to the 31st century, Time trapper has never been shown to revive people.