Originally posted by King KAM
juggernaut does not win this one....jesus, i used to LOVE juggernaut before KMC now i find myself smacking all his fanboys back to reality all the time, thor and hercules are both far too quick, and would simply remove him from battle
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"So, Juggernaut 10/10."
What an exagerattion.
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"juggernaut is stronger than both avengers v3 25 says that hercules and thor's pwers combined are enough to take down four exemplars juggernaut has take down all exemplars by him self"
Regular "version" of Jugs?
And am i missing a lost here? After all the Avengers went to rescue *him* off the Exemplars, not the other way around. Or was he powered down already?
And they win with strenght, probably by BFR mostly. Besides pll forget Hercules its a pain to knock down and Thor still packs powers without the hammer. 10/10 wont ever happen.
Originally posted by olympian
"So, Juggernaut 10/10."What an exagerattion.
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"juggernaut is stronger than both avengers v3 25 says that hercules and thor's pwers combined are enough to take down four exemplars juggernaut has take down all exemplars by him self"
Regular "version" of Jugs?
And am i missing a lost here? After all the Avengers went to rescue *him* off the Exemplars, not the other way around. Or was he powered down already?
And they win with strenght, probably by BFR mostly. Besides pll forget Hercules its a pain to knock down and Thor still packs powers without the hammer. 10/10 wont ever happen.
I don't feel that it was an exagerration at all. And I did say "BESIDES" battlefield removal, the duo has no chance. But since that is not a viable option, the duo has no chance at all.
Would you please mind telling me exactly how Hercules and Thor (without Mjlonir [Hell, Thor could still have his hammer]) are going to defeat Classic Juggernaut with their own strength? I don't really care how hard it is to knock Herclues down and how much power Thor still packs. It's nowhere near enough to take down Juggernaut.
If you can prove me wrong, I'd gladly accept defeat.
"I don't feel that it was an exagerration at all. And I did say "BESIDES" battlefield removal, the duo has no chance. But since that is not a viable option, the duo has no chance at all."
Where in the tread starter it says its not viable?
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"Would you please mind telling me exactly how Hercules and Thor (without Mjlonir [Hell, Thor could still have his hammer]) are going to defeat Classic Juggernaut with their own strength? "
How about the fact that Juggernaut isent stronger than neither? What makes him difficult to beat its his durability. Not strength.
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"It's nowhere near enough to take down Juggernaut."
Wasent Juggernaut buried under rubbles for a long time? Maybe in a fight against the Hulk?
Hes not unbeatable you know.
1. thor used the mjolnir to deactivate juggernaut's mystical abilities and his force field
2.the hulk was never able to hurt juggernaut even war hulk could not hurt him
3.he beat the exemplars first second time they have attacked him when he was off guard and their attacks removed juggernaut's helmet so bedlam could handle him with ease
4.before onslaught saga he got depowerd in all new exiles comic books he lost his invulnerability and a bit of his strnght and the gem was never in his chest
"1. thor used the mjolnir to deactivate juggernaut's mystical abilities and his force field"
Im not debating that. Im debating your notion he was never hurted physically. And he was.
He didnt showed to be stronger than Thor either.
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"2.the hulk was never able to hurt juggernaut even war hulk could not hurt him"
Wich is wrong. Hulk hurted him physicaly in the same storyline, where Juggernaut did the same. When they both fought the Avengers. Cain was down before the mental backlash.
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"before onslaught saga he got depowerd in all new exiles comic books he lost his invulnerability and a bit of his strnght and the gem was never in his chest"
Looked like classic Juggernaut for me. Can you show me where he was depowered before? And while the gem on the chest part its lousy writting, its still a bfr win. And note that im using this one only to show its possible to do it. Hes doing against -two- with the same kind of strenght he has.
And i forgot another example. Nimrod.
nimrod removed his helmet and used sonic beams which hurt juggernaut ears but it did not ko'd him
here are the scans
read carefully
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theallnewexilesv2002065tf.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?...sv2002065tf.jpg
Can be. Its not definatly stated, and seems more in the form of a suposition, but can be.
About Nimrod:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3751/hrpage146hz.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2627/hrpage167ou.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4111/hrpage177nx.jpg
Cain apperantly gets more vulnerable to a certain type of attacks, besides TK without the helmet. A helmet that Thor alone has broken off him the same way Nimrod has. And the duo can at least thunderclap him close to make him lose focus the same way.
Now while i dont know if those would works as efficiently as Nimrod did, theres sure some way to try to counter the advantage his durabilty brings to the table.
Olympian your wrong, when has Juggernaut not shown to be stronger than Thor? Damn, Thor cant even manage to defeat Juggernaut with his hammer let alone his without it.
The Exemplars if I remember correctly were able to defeat the whole Avengers team, while Juggernaut defeated them all alone. Oh yea during this Juggernaut threw punches that nearly made the earth crumble, and was said to be the most fury ever unleashed on earth.
Now I may be wrong, but threw out comics the only time I have seen Juggernaut beaten in a fight was with tk. The only time I've seen him damaged was in his fight with X-factor where he was stabbed with a magical knife, even then he healed up immediately.
Sure we could sit here and try to point out the few times Juggernaut has been put down, but we could also do the same for Thor and Hercules. Let me assure you that if we pointed out every time Thor and Hercules were put down then the list would be a lot longer than Juggernauts.
Originally posted by olympian
"I don't feel that it was an exagerration at all. And I did say "BESIDES" battlefield removal, the duo has no chance. But since that is not a viable option, the duo has no chance at all."Where in the tread starter it says its not viable?
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"Would you please mind telling me exactly how Hercules and Thor (without Mjlonir [Hell, Thor could still have his hammer]) are going to defeat Classic Juggernaut with their own strength? "
How about the fact that Juggernaut isent stronger than neither? What makes him difficult to beat its his durability. Not strength.
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"It's nowhere near enough to take down Juggernaut."
Wasent Juggernaut buried under rubbles for a long time? Maybe in a fight against the Hulk?
Hes not unbeatable you know.
Sigh.
Full-strengthThor WITH HIS HAMMER could not even come close to defeating Juggernaut. His God-blast does not damage Juggernaut because of his invulnerability.
And what proof do you have that Juggernaut is not as strong or stronger than the two? It is my belief, based on comic feats, that Juggy can be as strong as he wants to be.
I never said he was unbeatable. Just unbeatable by physical means. Especially the ones that Thor and Hercules possess.
