Thor with belt of strenght but no hammer vs Hulk

Started by DarkCrawler4 pages

Originally posted by Scoobless
It's Beta Ray Bill that smacks down Fenris (not really relevant so i didn't include it.... but it is pretty cool)

1. http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0216vx.jpg
2. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0228ms.jpg
3. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0236au.jpg
4. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0246qb.jpg
5. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0030042tc.jpg
6. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0055yu.jpg

Beta Ray Bill is a Thor fanboy. 😛

Originally posted by golem370
I have a book where the Hulk was beating Thor pretty good without his Hammer.

I have the same book. Thor isn't wearing the belt of strength, and is distracted because he's worried about hurting civilians in the brawl, while Hulk doesn't care. Thor wasn't giving it his all, which happens often because he tries to take Hulk down without killing him, which is hard.

Re: Thor with belt of strenght but no hammer vs Hulk

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Remember the belt doubles Thor's strength.

Apparently Thor putting a tree trunk through the Hulk's body using one arm and without the belt of strength or a hammer (not like he had an arm to carry it with) wasn't enough evidence that this comparison is too one-sided.

Having said that, the self-doubting scatter-brained multiple-personality Thor of old would probably would have had a tough time putting down the hulk even with the belt of strength as he never would have gone all out against a mortal and risk killing him.

I think Thor has this one I mean without the belt i would be harder but I think Hulk would still lose but with the belt ouch.....We are forgetting that it weakens him but meh that will be after the big green machine gets a beat down from hell....and for everyone who is like omg why does he get beat up by Hulk most of the time please remember that banner is a good freind of his and there are always civilians around he wouldnt want to kill any of them so instead he takes some for the team instead of killing Banner and the helpless......

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Beta Ray Bill is a Thor fanboy. 😛

Beta Ray Bill is one of the most under-appreciated characters in all of Marvel. After that fight, even Thor must have become a Beta Ray Bill fanboy.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Beta Ray Bill is one of the most under-appreciated characters in all of Marvel. After that fight, even Thor must have become a Beta Ray Bill fanboy.

Beta Ray Bill is badass...and not underrated at all. He's actually perhaps the most liked and appreciated character on any comic book forums...

hey I love Beta Ray BIll 💃 ✅

Originally posted by GodofThunder
I think Thor has this one I mean without the belt i would be harder but I think Hulk would still lose but with the belt ouch.....We are forgetting that it weakens him but meh that will be after the big green machine gets a beat down from hell....and for everyone who is like omg why does he get beat up by Hulk most of the time please remember that banner is a good freind of his and there are always civilians around he wouldnt want to kill any of them so instead he takes some for the team instead of killing Banner and the helpless......

Multiple-personality Thor (or MPThor) would always stop short of landing the killing blow and intead stand around and ask hulk if he is ready to give up. Even Ultimate Thor suffers from this. Therefore the Hulk, due to his tremendous healing ability, endurance and complete disregard for the lives of others would just attack again and again and again until he has the advantage. A Thor that is willing to kill is an entirely different proposition.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Beta Ray Bill is badass...and not underrated at all. He's actually perhaps the most liked and appreciated character on any comic book forums...

Yeah I think forumites tend to be more "educated" than the average consumer of comics but he really deserves to play a larger role in the marvel universe.

Thor couldn't beat the Hulk in a straight up fist fight. And he even admitted that Hulk was stronger(yet less powerful) than him. Thor with the Belt Of Strength would require Hulk to reach a higer level of rage, but it can be done. The Hulk has overpowered stronger enemies than Thor.

(Eventhough Thor isn't his enemy)

Originally posted by Dinalfos
[B]Thor couldn't beat the Hulk in a straight up fist fight.

Really? He took on Power Gem Drax and Maxam single handedly and knocked them out easily. Are you saying Hulk could do this?

Thor who is willing to use deadly force is very different from the self-doubting, multiple-personality Thor who is constantly restraining himself when he is around mortals.

And he even admitted that Hulk was stronger(yet less powerful) than him.

When was this? When did Thor say "hulk is stronger than me but I am more powerful"?

Thor with the Belt Of Strength would require Hulk to reach a higer level of rage, but it can be done. The Hulk has overpowered stronger enemies than Thor.

Like who?

How can you reach a higher level of rage if youre already filled with nothing but rage?

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Really? He took on Power Gem Drax and Maxam single handedly and knocked them out easily. Are you saying Hulk could do this?

Thor who is willing to use deadly force is very different from the self-doubting, multiple-personality Thor who is constantly restraining himself when he is around mortals.

That's not really what I meant. I meant that Thor couldn't beat the Savage Hulk so far in a straight up fight. He has beaten the Professor Hulk, though, but that's not really fair. The professor had to hold back or otherwise he would've changed into savage Banner. He's also defeated the savage hulk, but he used a bolt of lightning for that. So that's not really a clean fight either.

And yes, I think Hulk could take Maxam etc. in terms of brute strength. Unfortunately, he lacks other important powers to stand a real chance. The Hulk is a brawler, not a cosmic elitist 😄

When was this? When did Thor say "hulk is stronger than me but I am more powerful"?

I believe it was Hulk Annual 2001, but I'm not allowed to post links to other sites yet. Apparantly. But it says:

"Still between dimensions, Banner wakes up. The view from over Thor’s shoulder in-between dimensions was too much to take for Bruce so while Thor is talking about dropping Bruce off at a military base Bruce is changing into the Hulk. When they arrive back on Earth Hulk wallops Thor. Thor drops his hammer and falls to the ground. Hulk lands on Thor’s chest. Hulk says that he is tired of Thor’s tricks and that he is just going to keep pounding on Thor until Thor can’t play tricks on him anymore. Hulk leaves Thor lying in a heap not knowing if he is dead or alive. Thor’s hammer hits his hand and Thor painfully struggles to his feet. Hulk asks why Thor doesn’t stay down. Thor says that this isn’t over. Thor says that Hulk might be stronger than him, or any other living being, but that Hulk is still just a mortal while he is the God of Thunder . Thor whips up a giant thunderstorm. Hulk is carried away by the flood of water. Hulk leaps out of the water and says that Thor did everything he could, but that he still lives. Hulk says that puny humans call him a menace, but that Thor created this flood. Thor realizes that Hulk is right and that he let his temper get the best of him again. Hulk saves a group of soldiers by throwing their raft to safety, and says that he only fights puny humans that attack him. Hulk says that Thor can save the puny humans or they can fight some more. Thor goes to save the people and Hulk leaps off. Thor realizes that all this damage is his fault. Thor reflects as he regains control. Hulk proved the stronger of the two, but Thor proved more powerful. Thor also realizes that Hulk’s words hurt him more than his punches. Thor wonders which of them is more dangerous- a childish brute that just wants to be left alone, or an angry god that tried to stand in his way"

The description also mentions Marvel's clear intent to establish the Hulk as the physically stronger of the two. If you want the link I'll PM it to you.

Like who?

How can you reach a higher level of rage if youre already filled with nothing but rage?

The Hulk has continued to prove it. The thing about Hulk is that his anger level increases to the point where he's able to overcome the danger/puny obstacle. This is always the case. I think it has something to do with the Hulk's lack of any true agenda. When you want to acomplish something clever, you simply can't afford to get into a raging frenzy just to increase your strength because you'll screw up any chance you have. Hulk on the other hand, wants nothing but to be left alone. He usually has little to lose. Also, he wouldn't be able to come up with a great, intellectually charged scheme anyway, so he won't realize what he's doing if he ends up smashing the place during an important mission.

Or to put it in Hulk's own words: go away, puny Thundergod, Or Hulk smash 😂

Originally posted by Dinalfos
That's not really what I meant. I meant that Thor couldn't beat the Savage Hulk so far in a straight up fight. He has beaten the Professor Hulk, though, but that's not really fair. The professor had to hold back or otherwise he would've changed into savage Banner. He's also defeated the savage hulk, but he used a bolt of lightning for that. so that's not a clean victory either.

And yes, I think Hulk could take Maxam etc. in terms of brute strength. Unfortunately, he lacks other important powers to stand a real chance. The Hulk is a brawler, not a cosmic elitist 😄

I believe it was Hulk Annual 2001, but I'm not allowed to post links to other sites yet. Apparantly. But it says:

"Still between dimensions, Banner wakes up. The view from over Thor’s shoulder in-between dimensions was too much to take for Bruce so while Thor is talking about dropping Bruce off at a military base Bruce is changing into the Hulk. When they arrive back on Earth Hulk wallops Thor. Thor drops his hammer and falls to the ground. Hulk lands on Thor’s chest. Hulk says that he is tired of Thor’s tricks and that he is just going to keep pounding on Thor until Thor can’t play tricks on him anymore. Hulk leaves Thor lying in a heap not knowing if he is dead or alive. Thor’s hammer hits his hand and Thor painfully struggles to his feet. Hulk asks why Thor doesn’t stay down. Thor says that this isn’t over. [B]Thor says that Hulk might be stronger than him, or any other living being, but that Hulk is still just a mortal while he is the God of Thunder . Thor whips up a giant thunderstorm. Hulk is carried away by the flood of water. Hulk leaps out of the water and says that Thor did everything he could, but that he still lives. Hulk says that puny humans call him a menace, but that Thor created this flood. Thor realizes that Hulk is right and that he let his temper get the best of him again. Hulk saves a group of soldiers by throwing their raft to safety, and says that he only fights puny humans that attack him. Hulk says that Thor can save the puny humans or they can fight some more. Thor goes to save the people and Hulk leaps off. Thor realizes that all this damage is his fault. Thor reflects as he regains control. Hulk proved the stronger of the two, but Thor proved more powerful. Thor also realizes that Hulk’s words hurt him more than his punches. Thor wonders which of them is more dangerous- a childish brute that just wants to be left alone, or an angry god that tried to stand in his way"

The description also mentions Marvel's clear intent to establish the Hulk as the physically stronger of the two. If you want the link I'll PM it to you.

The Hulk has continued to prove it. The thing about Hulk is that his anger level increases to the point where he's able to overcome the danger/puny obstacle. This is always the case. I think it has something to with the Hulk's lack of any true agenda. When you want to acomplish something clever, you simply can't afford to get into a raging frenzy just to increase your strength because you'll screw up any chance you have. Hulk on the other hand, wants nothing but to be left alone. He usually has little to lose. Also, he wouldn't be able to come up with a great, intellectually charged scheme anyway, so he won't realize what he's doing if he ends up smashing the place during an important mission.

Or to put it in Hulk's own words: go away, puny Thundergod, Or Hulk smash 😂 [/B]

A fight is a fight, a win is a win, whether it's by fists, hammer, or lightning. Because Hulk can't use a magic hammer and channel God-powered lightning, that's his problem. It's why he logically shouldn't win. ( And Wolverine - logically - shouldn't be able to hang with the Hulk, but that's comics for you...)

Guys this isnt fair this is 2 different leagues guys Class 2 being Thor....and Hulk more like Class 3-4

As previously posted, Thor can still use his powers without the hammer, so unless this is a boxing match than the Hulk can't win this one.

Why not? He's won five times so far.

Because Thor has never wanted to kill Hulk.

Yeah, that must be it 😗

Can you justify how Hulk would beat Thor? You've honestly done nothing yet but say "Hulk Smash"