Diaz vs GSP is going to be a one sided joke of a main event. It's going to look like a more dominant version of the first round of the BJ vs Diaz fight, but since GSP doesn't gas after the first round like BJ - the dough boy - Penn that dominance will be stretched out for the entire five rounds of the fight until GSP wins another effortless UD.
Then the UFC will feed Diaz to some wrestlers and he will lose all his fights until his contract is up.
Originally posted by Mindset
This isn't going to go into the unmotivated/motivated BJ, is it?
It's possible BJ never considered retirement until Diaz beat him. As you said, there likely isn't any evidence otherwise.
I was just mentioning that the thought occured to me before. It's not a steadfast belief of mine, and I certainly don't have the proof to argue about it. It's mostly speculation on my part.
Diaz is hard to place right now. The top WW wrestlers don't get choked as easy as Chael does vin and should have the advantage over Diaz; however, that still leaves some fights up in air.
The only "definite" losses coming his way are GSP, Fitch, and possibly Koschek. I'd give Jake(peak condition) the win, but the cut to 170 seems to affect him negatively. I'd love to see Condit beat the hell of out of Diaz, but it's simply not a certainty at this point.
That said, GSP openly states that Carlos Condit is a bigger threat to him than Diaz. I agree.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Diaz is hard to place right now. The top WW wrestlers don't get choked like Chael does and should have the advantage over Diaz; however, that still leaves some fights up in air.The only "definite" losses coming his way are GSP, Fitch, and possibly Koschek. I'd give Jake(peak condition) the win, but the cut to 170 seems to affect him negatively. I'd love to see Condit beat the hell of out of Diaz, but it's simply not a certainty at this point.
That said, GSP openly states that Carlos Condit is a bigger threat to him than Diaz. I agree.
What about Rumble? I know he has been subbed but he still has as one punch knockout power and high level wrestling. He is a threat to Diaz standing or on the mat. They aren't wrestlers but I don't see Diaz having much for Rory or Ellenburger either.
Originally posted by Mindset
GSP said BJ would beat Diaz.Condit is a lesser version of Diaz, not sure how he is a bigger threat.
GSP said it depended on which Penn showed up, and whether or not he was motivated. Unfortunately the BJ that showed up gassed in the second round.
Condit has much better foot work, one punch knock power and a more diverse arsenal of strikes under his belt since he throws kicks / knees / elbows while Diaz largely throws boxing combinations... plus Diaz never checks leg kicks. Condit is more dangerous standing, especially since the only chance either of the two have of beating GSP is landing a lucky punching and knocking him out, and almost as dangerous in the guard, with a very active and dangerous bottom game.
Originally posted by MindsetNah there was none to grasp. GSP is gonna fold Diaz up like an old wallet. Diaz's gonna get the beating that GSP should have given Shields(If Diaz doesn't ***** out again &find way out of the fight. Don't be surprised if he does that again. He's a coward).
That you could grasp.Classic I-Drop.
Originally posted by I-DropThe point was Diaz is consistently underrated and he proves people wrong, you'd have to be an idiot not to be able get that.
Nah there was none to grasp. GSP is gonna fold Diaz up like an old wallet. Diaz's gonna get the beating that GSP should have given Shields(If Diaz doesn't ***** out again &find way out of the fight. Don't be surprised if he does that again. He's a coward).
Oh...right.
Originally posted by MindsetClassic I-Drop.
Originally posted by Mindset
GSP said BJ would beat Diaz.Condit is a lesser version of Diaz, not sure how he is a bigger threat.
While it is possible for Diaz to submit GSP, I don't think it's likely: Diaz is not Shields. Shields is probably the one WW who could beat GSP on the ground consistently.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What about Rumble? I know he has been subbed but he still has as one punch knockout power and high level wrestling. He is a threat to Diaz standing or on the mat. They aren't wrestlers but I don't see Diaz having much for Rory or Ellenburger either.
Rory and Ellenberger have the potential, but I am going to take a risk here and call them untested vs top 10 fighters. They've got one win each in that regard. They could beat Diaz, but I don't see it as a certainty like Fitch/GSP vs Diaz is.
I would absolutely love to be wrong though. Having Diaz go a long losing streak would one of the best things ever.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSo more horeshit that was unmotivated BJ nonsense. It's a tale BJ lovers and Diaz haters like to tell themselves on cold lonely nights.
GSP said it depended on which Penn showed up, and whether or not he was motivated. Unfortunately the BJ that showed up gassed in the second round.Condit has much better foot work, one punch knock power and a more diverse arsenal of strikes under his belt since he throws kicks / knees / elbows while Diaz largely throws boxing combinations... plus Diaz never checks leg kicks. Condit is more dangerous standing, especially since the only chance either of the two have of beating GSP is landing a lucky punching and knocking him out, and almost as dangerous in the guard, with a very active and dangerous bottom game.
You when you're eating punches you get tired, that's a thing, it happens. If BJ was gassed from being out of shape he wouldn't have done better in the 3rd.
Condit's foot work being better is slight, if at all, frankly, neither one has good footwork. Diaz is more dangerous in stand up because he has proven to be in his actual fights. He also has better boxing and probably better stamina, definitely a better ability to force his will in the fight, than Condit has over striking ability. He has beaten better stand up fighters than Condit has while standing. But you think they only win in stand up from a lucky punch, so that really tells me all I need to know. Diaz has a better bottom, top, middle, left, right game than Condit. Not even arguable.
Condit is a left evolved Diaz that sometimes does flying knees.
Originally posted by StyleTimeExcept he didn't. Diaz has cardio for days, he doesn't fall back on it, that's just an advantage he has. That's like saying Fedor falls back on his strength.
srank covered it nicely. Oddly enough, those were many of the same points GSP presented. I'd like to add that Diaz had a tendency to fall back on his stamina/durability and pressure his opponents. Against GSP, that means GSP gets a free take down.While it is possible for Diaz to submit GSP, I don't think it's likely: Diaz is not Shields. Shields is probably the one WW who could beat GSP on the ground consistently.
Shields cutting to WW isn't him at his best. In any case, Shields was saved by the bell from getting choked out by Miller. If his ground game is even better than Diaz, it isn't by much.
Originally posted by Mindset😂 No need to be an *******. Doesn't really mean anything. Edgar's taken the wind out of BJ sails & Gomi isn't that good TBH. GSP is gonna murderize him. He'll be yet another Strikeforce champ that comes to the UFC & gets exposed. Just like his lameass teammate Jake Shields. I'm normally right about these things.
The point was Diaz is consistently underrated and he proves people wrong, you'd have to be an idiot not to be able get that.Oh...right.
Originally posted by I-DropEdgar is just better than BJ and probably everyone at LW. Back in 2007 Gomi was considered one of the best. BJ just took Fitch to a draw, not sure how Edgar being better than him took anything away from his skills.
😂 No need to be an *******. Doesn't really mean anything. Edgar's taken the wind out of BJ sails & Gomi isn't that good TBH. GSP is gonna murderize him. He'll be yet another Strikeforce champ that comes to the UFC & gets exposed. Just like his lameass teammate Jake Shields. I'm normally right about these things.
You don't know what exposed means if you think beating BJ then losing to GSP is it...
Originally posted by Mindset
So more horeshit that was unmotivated BJ nonsense. It's a tale BJ lovers and Diaz haters like to tell themselves on cold lonely nights.You when you're eating punches you get tired, that's a thing, it happens. If BJ was gassed from being out of shape he wouldn't have done better in the 3rd.
Condit's foot work being better is slight, if at all, frankly, neither one has good footwork. Diaz is more dangerous in stand up because he has proven to be in his actual fights. He also has better boxing and probably better stamina, definitely a better ability to force his will in the fight, than Condit has over striking ability. He has beaten better stand up fighters than Condit has while standing. But you think they only win in stand up from a lucky punch, so that really tells me all I need to know. Diaz has a better bottom, top, middle, left, right game than Condit. Not even arguable.
Condit is a left evolved Diaz that sometimes does flying knees. Except he didn't. Diaz has cardio for days, he doesn't fall back on it, that's just an advantage he has. That's like saying Fedor falls back on his strength.
Shields cutting to WW isn't him at his best. In any case, Shields was saved by the bell from getting choked out by Miller. If his ground game is even better than Diaz, it isn't by much.
Just watch the first round again. Diaz had nothing for Penn, standing or on the mat. BJ was standing inside the pocketing, avoiding damage and tagging Diaz whenever he wanted, and when the fight went to the mat he took Diaz's back in seconds. Then he gassed in the second round.
Right now the only chance any fighter in the WW division has of beating GSP is a punchers chance. No one is going to come in and sub him. No one is going to lay on him for five rounds and grind out a lnp decision. No one is going to outpoint him in a pure stand up match, and even if there was a fighter capable of doing it, GSP wouldn't fight that game in the first place.
Carlos has legitimate one punch knock out power. Diaz doesn't. If Carlos lands correctly he can put GSP out instantly. Diaz needs to hope for a flurry of punches that result in a ref stoppage. Carlos has better stand up than Diaz, it's not even debatable really. This isn't a boxing match, it's MMA. Carlos mixes up his strikes more, he has a wider variety of attacks in his arsenal and he has more power in his hands/legs/elbows/kness. His foot work is much better than Diaz's, Nick flat foot shuffles like a zombie and tanks damage. Diaz relies on his chin and his stamina to out last his opponents. Diaz has better cardio than Condit, he'll have more in his tank in the 4th and 5th rounds than Condit... but that doesn't really matter much since GSP's cardio is as good or better than Diaz and going to the decision is essentially a guaranteed loss for either of them, and 4th or 5th round ko / tko are rare. If either of them has a shot at winning it will be in the first three rounds, and it will be by knock out or tko, and Carlos has a better shot at that then Diaz. Anything else and GSP does his usually game plan and grinds out an effortless 5 round decision victory.
Diaz has a huge hole in is game. He has horrible foot work and he doesn't check kicks. A lot of people expect GSP to take Diaz down to the mat rather than stand with him, but I believe GSP will keep the fight standing for the most part. He is going to keep Diaz at range with his jab, and just punish that lead leg over and over, circle out, and repeat. He'll try to take the fight to the mat once a round and look for some quick gnp, but he will let Diaz up before doing anything risky that might get him subbed and repeat the process over again. GSP vs Diaz is going to play out like Aldo vs Faber. Cyborg had a lot success with leg kicks against Diaz, and he isn't a 10th the fighter GSP is, and he doesn't have any where close to Georges stamina.
Originally posted by Mindset
Diaz has cardio for days, he doesn't fall back on it, that's just an advantage he has. That's like saying Fedor falls back on his strength.Shields cutting to WW isn't him at his best.
In any case, Shields was saved by the bell from getting choked out by Miller. If his ground game is even better than Diaz, it isn't by much.
I agree.
Shields wasn't saved by the bell. His chin was tucked and he was fighting Miller's hands. I've been caught in a similar situation before. It hurts, but you are not being choked.
Regardless, that moment only indicates that Shields isn't invincible. Shields dominated a much larger Jason Miller for the better part of five rounds. Diaz could have performed worse considering he doesn't have Shield's wrestling ability.
These were pure grappling matches, but Shields has beaten Diego Sanchez who decisively outgrappled Diaz. Shields has outright submitted John Fitch who will likely outgrapple Diaz if/when they meet.
As you know, grappling is more than submissions. Diaz might have better submissions off his back, but Shields has analogous submission skills plus superior wrestling. I don't really see it as "if." Jake is the better grappler.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A lot of people expect GSP to take Diaz down to the mat rather than stand with him, but I believe GSP will keep the fight standing for the most part. He is going to keep Diaz at range with his jab, and just punish that lead leg over and over, circle out, and repeat. He'll try to take the fight to the mat once a round and look for some quick gnp, but he will let Diaz up before doing anything risky that might get him subbed and repeat the process over again. GSP vs Diaz is going to play out like Aldo vs Faber. Cyborg had a lot success with leg kicks against Diaz, and he isn't a 10th the fighter GSP is, and he doesn't have any where close to Georges stamina.
Originally posted by I-Drop
He'll be yet another Strikeforce champ that comes to the UFC & gets exposed. Just like his lameass teammate Jake Shields. I'm normally right about these things.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Deep down, Mindset agrees.