* Christ being symbolized as a Lamb is not pagan, it was a symbol used for Christ synonymously by the offered Lamb by Abraham in place for Isaac... remember, Isaac was the one to be killed and sacrificed but since Abraham proved to God his great obedience, the sacrifice was stopped by an angel, after that, Abraham saw a ram with its horns stuck in a thicket, the ram was sacrificed in place of Isaac... Isaac symbolizes the humanity, the ram symbolizes Christ who was sacrificed instead...
* Christ also symbolizes a Lion, a Worm, a Rock, a Salt, a Light, even Darkness, the Way/Path, and many others... but it does not mean its whole concept was pagan... true Christians stated in the Bible do not worship graven images...
Originally posted by King_Cobra_23
well my friend lets set some records strait G-D did not "fashion" us to disobey he gave us whats called free will to follow his law or not and in doing this he has also given us Yeshua (Jesus) to save our souls from the firey pits of the smoking hell (which was only ment for satan and his fallen angels) and he created Lusifer with the same free will and he disobeyed the L-RD
Originally posted by peejayd
* Christ being symbolized as a Lamb is not pagan, it was a symbol used for Christ synonymously by the offered Lamb by Abraham in place for Isaac... remember, Isaac was the one to be killed and sacrificed but since Abraham proved to God his great obedience, the sacrifice was stopped by an angel, after that, Abraham saw a ram with its horns stuck in a thicket, the ram was sacrificed in place of Isaac... Isaac symbolizes the humanity, the ram symbolizes Christ who was sacrificed instead...* Christ also symbolizes a Lion, a Worm, a Rock, a Salt, a Light, even Darkness, the Way/Path, and many others... but it does not mean its whole concept was pagan... true Christians stated in the Bible do not worship graven images...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes, and that would make the scipture false saying "Jesus is the perfect lamb cause he experienced all of humanity."
Originally posted by sonnet
And the Bible also says that God saw Jesus on the cross, slain like a lamb, long before man was created. So the Lamb image of Jesus was there long before any other beliefs.
Apparently you are unaware that Christianity is one of the last religons to develop and Christians used pagan symbols that were in use for thousands of years prior.
Originally posted by Alliance
Apparently you are unaware that Christianity is one of the last religons to develop and Christians used pagan symbols that were in use for thousands of years prior.
Originally posted by Alliance
Then why are you going?
Because I have accepted the sacrifice made by Jesus for me. See, we are accountable for our actions. We all fall short of God's standard. Christ is my Redeemer and by my faith in Him I am made right before God.
For we are saved by faith in Jesus, not by our good deeds...
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Because I have accepted the sacrifice made by Jesus for me. See, we are accountable for our actions. We all fall short of God's standard. Christ is my Redeemer and by my faith in Him I am made right before God.For we are saved by faith in Jesus, not by our good deeds...
This one seems to describe you Justbyfaith, the rest are just more evidence for the denial of the belief in faith alone without works. You may be saved, but you are not justified. Your faith is dead.
James 2:17-26
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Psalms 33
13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.
Psalms 62:12
12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.
Proverbs 24:12
12 If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?
Matthew 5:16
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Titus 1:16
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate
(Thus we see that the proclamation of faith is not enough)
James 2:14
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Revelation 2:23
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Revelation 14:13
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Originally posted by Regret
This one seems to describe you Justbyfaith, the rest are just more evidence for the denial of the belief in faith alone without works. You may be saved, but you are not justified. Your faith is dead.[b]James 2:17-26
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.Psalms 33
13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.Psalms 62:12
12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.Proverbs 24:12
12 If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?Matthew 5:16
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.Titus 1:16
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate
(Thus we see that the proclamation of faith is not enough)James 2:14
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?Revelation 2:23
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.Revelation 14:13
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. [/B]
Faith or works or both? Old Topic, never agreement. 🤣