Mary marvel vs supergirl

Originally posted by grey fox
Yeah but Kara looks like a whore , and Sup41 stop with the Superman fanboyism it's annoying and makes you look like an idiot. Supes can and has been defeated by captain marvel before .

I'm not being a fanboy. I realize that there are people that can beat Superman, and I actually like that. However, I really don't see Captain Marvel beating him. I just don't see CM as being that fast, or resourceful enough to do so......... And back in the 40's, CM was a cop of Superman. They could have made a character with any powers, but they chose to have him basically the same way as Superman.........

Also, I was not the one who started this. Someone told me to STFU and that Superman was a gay character, which is ridiculous. I love lots of characters, and Superman is my favorite for all that he represents. If you think he's stupid, then you should look at more than just the powers........... I'm not being a fanboy just because I honestly don't think Captain Marvel can beat Supes...........

Oh yeah, and just so you know, I do think Captain Marvel is a pretty cool character. A young good-hearted kid with the power of the gods is intriguing, but I objectively don't think he could beat Superman.

Mary Marvel should win. She has the exact same power as Captain Marvel, whereas Supergirl is less powerful than Superman.

Superman41082 - I appreciate the fact that you really love Superman - I love him just as much, he's easily my favourite superhero.

But please do a bit more research than simply looking on the net - you'll earn more respect if you quote actual comic events rather than speculation or fanfic from the net. 🙂

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In one of my Supes comics from the 70's, Marvel is hypnotised into being a criminal.

In order to stop him, Supes get him in a neck lock from behind.

Marvel struggles with all his might, but Superman says:

"Struggle all you like - it won't do you any good. If either one of us is stronger than the other, it's by such a tiny degree as to be immeasurable."

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The Marvels are as strong and fast as Kryptonians.

They are NOT as Durable, as Kryptonians are inherently invulnerable...

BUT - in a fight AGAINST a Kryptonian, the Marvels are more than a match for durability because the Marvel families magically derived powers enable them to:

A) Recieve less damage from a Kryptonians attacks - Kryptonians punches have much less effect on a magically imbued being.

B) Deal more damage to a Kryptonian - as a Kryptonian's invulnerability is negated to an extent by magical fields.

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The above reason outlined explains why people such as Wonder Woman, Thor, Captain Marvel and other Magically Imbued warriors, are able to both recieve less damage from Superman (where a normal person would be pulped by one punch)and deal physical damage to him (whereas to most things he is invulnerable).

Superman has more feats at his disposable. He is arguably - in fact most POSSIBLY - faster, stronger and more durable than anyone I named above.

But in a physical fight, the fighting skill and magical nature of each of the people above named makes each of them a worthy match for Supes in a fight.

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In a brawl, a Captain Marvel vs Superman fight should always be about 5/10 if both are going all out.

Following the same logic, Mary Marvel vs Supergirl (who are both very nearly as powerful as their male relations), should be about the same.

Therefore a pitched battle between these two - with each being in full control and realisation of their powers - should result in BOTH combatants being utterly exhausted and battered, with the luck of the day determining which young lady falls to the ground unconcious first.

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Peace.

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I sure liked your post, Zephro. No there's no need for me to do a gigantic post.

JohnR, does thinking that Superman beats Captain Marvel make you a fanboy? I was only commenting on someone's claim that Superman is a jackass, which is bologna. If you guys want to think I'm a fanboy, go ahead. I'm not going to let it bother me. Anyways, my unbias thoughts are that Superman would take CM every time, not that that's even an important issue. If Superman were less powerful than CM, I would think that CM would win. It doesn't do something for me to think that Superman would win. In my mind, it's just a fact because he's more powerful.

Originally posted by Tshern
I sure liked your post, Zephro. No there's no need for me to do a gigantic post.

Cheers mate.

Just my two pence.

I'm a fan of Big Blue and the Cheese. I don't like to see either being disrespected lol.
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Zephro, I like your post. Just so you know where I'm coming from, while I think most comics are stupid now and don't read much of them anymore, I used to be addicted. My posts are a culmination of an entire childhood of reading comics and discussing them with my friends, so I'm not completely lost in this arena. Also, I still frequent the comic joint to get Superman paperbacks to keep up. We've thought about this long and hard, and we all agree that Supes is just too much for CM, despite the magic factor, and arguably, because of it. I'll explain.

Say for argument sake, they're equal in speed. It looks like Supes is in trouble because of the magic factor, but there's something else to consider. While magic disrupts his normal abilities, there's always a point in big fights where Supes will cut-loose. Many writers think that Superman has a mental block on his powers because of his "mild-manner", which makes more than perfect sense. It's hard to believe that a being as powerful as him, who has regular contact with mere mortal humans every day, wouldn't develop an extremely careful personality, which could mentally have an effect on his powers, like in Spiderman 2. Superman is not a Wolverine or a Hulk who is always locked and loaded, but at a certain point, when his adrenalin goes up, and there are no people he has to worry about hurting, he will be. Basically, when you know what hits the fan, Superman is at his best. Against someone like CM, especially because of the Magic factor, Superman, at a point, would stop holding back. In this fight, you'd see a better Superman than you normally would. When he cuts loose like this, he takes in more radiation(like when you see him get mad and his eyes light up), and makes use of an exponentially greater amount of the power he already has, which would dwindle his vulnerability to magic, along with increasing his invulnerability. Also, there's no quit in Supes.

We also have to look at the circumstances. I don't see Clark or Billy putting anyone in danger, and a fight between these two would endanger lots of people. When I think about these 2 fighting, I have to assume it's completely mindless, because otherwise, it wouldn't make sense. A mindless Superman is too much for CM.

The kryptonians invincibility isn't 'negated to an extent' it's ignored. Thats why Mary wins. Magic treats Kryptonians the same way it treats humans. And if a lightening bolt hit's a human then the human will most certainly die.

I still think superman41082 is overatting these Aliens. It doesn't matter how angry he is Magic will STILL be an achilles heel for him. Did you read that when Captain Marvel went up against Superman possessed by Eclipso? If it was not for Eclipso and Spectre, Superman would probably be dead.

Originally posted by grey fox
The kryptonians invincibility isn't 'negated to an extent' it's ignored. Thats why Mary wins. Magic treats Kryptonians the same way it treats humans. And if a lightening bolt hit's a human then the human will most certainly die.

It's not ignored by any sense of the word.

If it was, then Captain Marvel - who could crack a planet in half with his punches - would splatter Superman in one punch. Ignored is far too extreme a word.

The punches will have the same effect that a punch from a normal person would have on another normal person. For both of them.

And Supes has been hit by Marvel's magic lightning more than once before - it makes him bleed from the ears, but it doesn't take him down straight outright.

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And as for Superman41082:

Yes, Superman is IMMEMSELY powerful when he cuts loose. But also, when he cuts loose he has less control over his powers - remember, he went absolutely beserk against Wonder Woman when Max took him over, but she still held her own amazingly well.

Superman IS more powerful than Captain Marvel. He has way more feats of strength, speed etc etc and so forth.

But in a fight between the two, they are equal.

This has been shown time and time and time again in the comics.

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It's just one of those facts that people don't seem to want to accept. Just because it's Superman, people think it's automatically DC's inherent bias towards him that means he is so powerful in various matchups.

He has been shown MULTIPLE times to be on equal fighting with Captain Marvel in a fight. It's not Marvel jobbing to make Supes look good, it's the fact that they are an equal match.

Likewise with the Flash races - I have EVERY Flash/Superman race. In each one, Flash is given equal coverage and respect as Superman. They're not Superman biased in the stories, so it's NOT Flash jobbing when Superman is only a few steps behind at the end of the races.

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Kara Zor-el and Mary Marvel would beat the living daylights out of eachother.

I think that Mary's greater experience and the wisdom of Solomon would win out over Kara's zealousness, giving Mary perhaps a 6/10 win.

It seems that on this thread, people are backing up their opinion with Supes and CM. I know that they are supposed equals, but would that equality continue in MM and SG?

I should imagine so, mate, as basically they're just scaled down versions of the same lol.

If anything though, Kara has shown herself to possess speed and power even greater than some of Superman's feats!

But like I said, wisdom of Solomon, plus Mary's experience takes the slight majority I think.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
I should imagine so, mate, as basically they're just scaled down versions of the same lol.

If anything though, Kara has shown herself to possess speed and power even greater than some of Superman's feats!

But like I said, wisdom of Solomon, plus Mary's experience takes the slight majority I think.

Originally posted by superman41082
JohnR, does thinking that Superman beats Captain Marvel make you a fanboy? I was only commenting on someone's claim that Superman is a jackass, which is bologna. If you guys want to think I'm a fanboy, go ahead. I'm not going to let it bother me. Anyways, my unbias thoughts are that Superman would take CM every time, not that that's even an important issue. If Superman were less powerful than CM, I would think that CM would win. It doesn't do something for me to think that Superman would win. In my mind, it's just a fact because he's more powerful.

You have my post confused with someone else's. This was my post:

Originally posted by JohnR
Mary Marvel should win. She has the exact same power as Captain Marvel, whereas Supergirl is less powerful than Superman.

I've read a few of their fights, and I've never seen Captain Marvel coclusively win. He has had the upper hand at times, but has never just put Superman down, which is damn hard. In a knock-down-drag-out fight, that goes until one of them is down and out, Superman will come out on top 10/10. Supes cutting loose will be too much for Captain Marvel. The effect that his magic has will become less and less a factor as the fight progresses. Just think about how the fight would ensue logically. Superman would end up on top, even if Cap would beat him up for most of it.

I'm assuming we're not judging like a Karate Kid point system, which could be an entirely different story. Pending on what you consider winning the fight, it could go either way, but in a fight is one where neither will back down until one is down and out, Supes takes it.

Dude just chill. This isn't even a Superman vs Captain Marvel thread.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Dude just chill. This isn't even a Superman vs Captain Marvel thread.

It kind of turned into one, and I'm not the one calling characters names or calling people fanboys. I think all this childish name-calling was unwarranted.

Superman41082, the whole problem with your "when superman stops holding back, Marvel goes down10/10" thing is that both characters hold back alot of their power. That goes without saying. So when Superman lets it all hang out, i guarantee you that Marvel will as well. Superman isn't the first hero to show restraint. Its flawed thinking to believe so. Anyways, i've never seen teams job to Mary as they do to Kara, so that combined with her own powerful powerset, should get he at least 5.5/10.

To Zephro, i will call the j word as i see it, but you're right. Superman/flash races aren't jobbing. Thats the thing about DC that gets me. Superman would still be super to me if he was the most well rounded hero character in DC, rather than the most powerful one. Rather than maxing all his stats out in comparison, give him the most balanced statpage. Flash CAN"T be the fastest in DC by a large margin for some reason. And i can't see how superman didn't cease to exist long ago. When going the speed of light, objects lose all their mass. The flash's are protected by the speedforce. Superman has no such protection, unless Barry Allen hit him with lighting as well.
And the difference in the jobbing of Wolverine and Superman is simple.
Wolverine still loses when he should. He may get a outrageous feat in before he goes down, but he will go down. Superman beats those who job to him. It wouldn't be AS bad if he put in a good showing and still lost. When he beat Dominus, jobbing. Darkseid jobbing. Manhunter? Jobbing. Gog??jobbing. Imperiex? Jobbing. If wolverine was switched in the place of Clark, he would've have lost. Thats what makes Wolverines aura slightly more digestable. Off topic as hell, but its been on my mind.

In response to Uni when he said that Cap would cut loose, too. This will be my last post on this thread, because I'm not seeing the help that this discussion is bringing. We all know that Cap Marvel will do the same, but it won't be the same. Cap Marvel gets to be a little boy most of the time, and doesn't have to worry about sneezing too hard and knocking someon out. When he's needed, he goes into battle, and usually gets to release as much tension as he needs to, while Supes keeps himself cooped up all year until there's a need for him to cut loose. Captain Marvel doesn't hold back like Supes, and while he would be more powerful, it would be nothing like when Supes cuts loose. I'm sure that we see Cap near the top of his game most of the time, and we rarely ever see Supes. With both of them cutting loose, Supes will still be significantly more powerful than Cap and has an edge, simply because he's Superman. He's more resourceful, more powerful, and his vulnerability to magic will become almost a nill factor............

Alright i'm done. But lemme say this. Everything you just said about Captain Marvel being not as dangerous not holding back as superman is pure speculation thats not backed up anywhere in comics. Its opinion, and while valid on this forum, it has no standing in comics. The only thing Superman has on Marvel is energy projection, ie heat vision. The fact that you validate your opinions by saying" simply because he's superman" tells me everything. I won't say fanboy, but blind to all other reasoning would fit the bill.
And for the record, we hardly EVER see Cap Marvel cut loose. Count all the times in the past decade, we've seen stories where Superman is bloodlusted in comparison to cap and a sentence in your post is rendered false. Truth.
And lastly. Supermans vulnerability to magic doesn't exist. His aura, which grants him his invulnerability is bypassed by it. It makes sense imo, seeing as how he comes from a planet dominant in science. Magic confusing and disrupting those with the analytical view of the world that science often gives makes perfect sense.
Magic simply hits his natural flesh. No aura to guard against it. He isn't rendered vulnerable by it, but normal. Thats why they say it affects him as it does us. No solar intake will guard him against that. Its ingrained in the genes that make such solar intake possible. There goes your "and his vulnerability to magic will become almost a nill factor............ " theory. Read more comics.