Originally posted by superman41082yes kingdom come superman was under the sun for 100+ years captain marvel still put up a great fight. now if captain marvel went all out on the superman we have these days. superman would lose bad.
So wait wait. Are you guys also going to tell me Captain Marvel beats Superman??????
Originally posted by Milkieyup and thats pc supes lol.
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Originally posted by superman41082a god blast from thor supes not getting up. supes is great but not unbeatable
No..... you obviously don't know anything about Superman. Whan he gets knocked down, he stands up even harder. If they ever had CM get the best of Supes, it would just be a flat out mistake. I don't care what some idiot writers opinions are. Superman is Superman, and Captain Marvel would be levels below, despite being ridiculously powerful himself.
Check it out. If Captain didn't get too in over his head The Big Blue would have been gone.
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Originally posted by superman41082yea yea see i like supes but when people talk like he can't be beat. it makes you wanna see him die again.
Dude, don't be a jerk! Without Superman, there probably wouldn't even be this forum, and there definately would be no Captain or Mary Marvel. Supes started it all, and he's the quentessential hero. Don't be a jerk!!!
Originally posted by ZephroCarneliansuperman said when flash and zoom was fighting that he could not see them. when superman is a few steps behind flash when flash is really trying is pis and jobbing.
It's not ignored by any sense of the word.If it was, then Captain Marvel - who could crack a planet in half with his punches - would splatter Superman in one punch. Ignored is far too extreme a word.
The punches will have the same effect that a punch from a normal person would have on another normal person. For both of them.
And Supes has been hit by Marvel's magic lightning more than once before - it makes him bleed from the ears, but it doesn't take him down straight outright.
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And as for Superman41082:
Yes, Superman is IMMEMSELY powerful when he cuts loose. But also, when he cuts loose he has less control over his powers - remember, he went absolutely beserk against Wonder Woman when Max took him over, but she still held her own amazingly well.
Superman IS more powerful than Captain Marvel. He has way more feats of strength, speed etc etc and so forth.
But in a fight between the two, they are equal.
This has been shown time and time and time again in the comics.
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It's just one of those facts that people don't seem to want to accept. Just because it's Superman, people think it's automatically DC's inherent bias towards him that means he is so powerful in various matchups.
He has been shown MULTIPLE times to be on equal fighting with Captain Marvel in a fight. It's not Marvel jobbing to make Supes look good, it's the fact that they are an equal match.
Likewise with the Flash races - I have EVERY Flash/Superman race. In each one, Flash is given equal coverage and respect as Superman. They're not Superman biased in the stories, so it's NOT Flash jobbing when Superman is only a few steps behind at the end of the races.
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Kara Zor-el and Mary Marvel would beat the living daylights out of eachother.
I think that Mary's greater experience and the wisdom of Solomon would win out over Kara's zealousness, giving Mary perhaps a 6/10 win.
Originally posted by superman41082......OK OK YOU WANT TO KEEP HYPEING SUPES HOW ABOUT THIS FANBOY. SUPERMAN CAN DO THIS HE CAN DO THAT BUT SUPERMAN WILL ALWAYS JOB TO BATMAN HOW YOU LIKE THAT. BATMAN BEATS SUPES MOST OF THE TIMES THEY FIGHT. YEA IT'S PIS BUT IT HAPPENS ALOT. SO PLEASE SHUT UP SUPERMAN CAN AND WILL LOSE. 😠
In response to Uni when he said that Cap would cut loose, too. This will be my last post on this thread, because I'm not seeing the help that this discussion is bringing. We all know that Cap Marvel will do the same, but it won't be the same. Cap Marvel gets to be a little boy most of the time, and doesn't have to worry about sneezing too hard and knocking someon out. When he's needed, he goes into battle, and usually gets to release as much tension as he needs to, while Supes keeps himself cooped up all year until there's a need for him to cut loose. Captain Marvel doesn't hold back like Supes, and while he would be more powerful, it would be nothing like when Supes cuts loose. I'm sure that we see Cap near the top of his game most of the time, and we rarely ever see Supes. With both of them cutting loose, Supes will still be significantly more powerful than Cap and has an edge, simply because he's Superman. He's more resourceful, more powerful, and his vulnerability to magic will become almost a nill factor............
Originally posted by superman41082
Dude, don't be a jerk! Without Superman, there probably wouldn't even be this forum, and there definately would be no Captain or Mary Marvel. Supes started it all, and he's the quentessential hero. Don't be a jerk!!!
Did you know originally Superman could not fly. But after a current Hero came along that could (Marvel) The Big Blue bagan to start flyig... yeah... 🙄
Originally posted by mighty adam
yea yea see i like supes but when people talk like he can't be beat. it makes you wanna see him die again.
yea yea, look at the context of why I said that. The guy told me to "stfu and Superman was a jackass". Hence, what I said............. I didn't say he couldn't be beat. I said that Captain Marvel would not be the one to do it, if it's a serious fight. Hey, if he's as fast as Supes, and it's just a little skirmish, I'm not some kind of fanboy that would say that Cap would never get the upper hand. What I'm saying, is that in my opinion, and you guys can complain all you want because it doesn't bother me, that if it's a knock down drag out fight, Superman wins. He's got the experience, and he becomes way more powerful when he cuts loose. He has a mental block on his true power, which when he releases it, he becomes more like pre-crisis Superman, and would toast CM.......... So, whatever guys. Complain all you want. Some of you sound like jerks just opposing me, while I know some of you really think it would be very close, or give an edge to Cap.
But you. You're just being a jerk, and the fact that you "wish superman would die again" doesn't have any bearing on this conversation. You're simply being a jerk, and I'm sure you'd like a date with a woman at some point, too, but that won't happen either. My opinion, and especially from all the research I've done leads me to believe that Supes takes CM every time in a serious fight. A little skirmish is different story, and I do believe that could go either way.
Originally posted by mighty adam
......OK OK YOU WANT TO KEEP HYPEING SUPES HOW ABOUT THIS FANBOY. SUPERMAN CAN DO THIS HE CAN DO THAT BUT SUPERMAN WILL ALWAYS JOB TO BATMAN HOW YOU LIKE THAT. BATMAN BEATS SUPES MOST OF THE TIMES THEY FIGHT. YEA IT'S PIS BUT IT HAPPENS ALOT. SO PLEASE SHUT UP SUPERMAN CAN AND WILL LOSE. 😠
Dude, I love Batman, and it's only natural that they would have Superman lose in those situations. Look, anyone, pretty much, takes Supes if they have Kryptonite, and it'd be pointless to put Batman under mind control, because he's useless without his own mind. What point would there be to having him attack Gotham???? Supes is the ridiculously powerful one, and so they use him as the Devil's Advocate in these cases, and not Batman. Batman would have to take him down or there would be no Batman. I mean, one punch from Supes turns Batman into mush. What would be the point of having them fight if that was going to happen. Oh yeah, and Batman doesn't "beat" Supes, he stops him. It's a bit different.
Look, I'm not sure what you guys are used to. I'm no fanboy protecting my guy or anything. Superman is Superman, and him losing a fight does not change him in my mind. Objectively, I just think he'd win. It's as simple as that, and if you guys are going to be jerks and put things in my mouth, then there's nothing I can do about that. It seems for some reason, you're anti Supermanfanboy's than I am a fanboy. You guys just like to say that Supes would go down, even when he obviously has at least a very good chance. If you guys can't see the metaphor in the characters, and simply look at what they can do instead, you need to grow up!!!!
