Originally posted by Soljer
Anywho, I used to give this a pretty much 5/10 to each.With the Iron Fist's current growth, however, I may have to re-evaluate my original opinion.
I'm going to go ahead and wait it out just a bit, though, to see the true expansion of Danny's power.
Logan claws give him a reach adavntage well be a small target. Danny can run out of energy using the IF. He gunna have to use full powered IF attacks which will drain his energy.
I also don't think He can simply Ko Logan with a single attack
Logan wins the majority.
that just my opinion
though depending on these current up grades that could change
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I still thnk Logan takes the majority.Logan calws give him a reach adavntage well be a small target. Danny can run out of energy usi ng the IF. He gunna have to use full powered IF attacks whcih will drain his energy.
I also don't think He can simply Ko Logan with a single attack
Logan wins the majority.
that just my opinion
though depending on these current up grades that could change
That's the thing, though, we may not know the FULL extent of Danny's upgrades yet, but we know that his chi reservoir has expanded CONSIDERABLY - more than doubled. Giving him at least twice as many chances, or twice as much power.
Not to mention the fact that he can use the Iron Fist at range - meaning that Logan's claws hardly give him any reach advantage.
Originally posted by Soljer
That's the thing, though, we may not know the FULL extent of Danny's upgrades yet, but we know that his chi reservoir has expanded CONSIDERABLY - more than doubled. Giving him at least twice as many chances, or twice as much power.Not to mention the fact that he can use the Iron Fist at range - meaning that Logan's claws hardly give him any reach advantage.
true so we won't know until a few more arcs. Till his powers are really exsplored and explained.
I though he had to use weapons for his range attack aka arrows in such.
which he won't have in a fight. also Logan not the easiest person to hit with projectiles when he don't want to be hit.
though I agree we have to see how much IF has truely changed
Originally posted by Battlehammer
true so we won't know until a few more arcs. Till his powers are really exsplored and explained.I though he had to use weapons for his range attack aka arrows in such.
which he won't have in a fight. also Logan not the easiest person to hit with projectiles when he don't want to be hit.
though I agree we have to see how much IF has truely changed
Nah. In the very first issue, he used the Iron Fist at range against a whole group of attackers - a ranged area attack, making dodging even more difficult.
Originally posted by Soljer
Nah. In the very first issue, he used the Iron Fist at range against a whole group of attackers - a ranged area attack, making dodging even more difficult.
also we don't know how powerful they are. I would assume there quite weak compared to his melee attacks
Originally posted by Battlehammer
do you have a scann. I like to see this thats pritty cool.also we don't know how powerful they are. I would assume there quite weak compared to his melee attacks
It's unclear. It didn't seem to drain him any more than normal, and it affected an entire group of enemies. Of course, they were just hydra soldiers, but, as we know, Danny can make his fist more or less powerful as the situation calls for it.
One moment, I'll see if I can get a scan.
Originally posted by Soljer
That's the thing, though, we may not know the FULL extent of Danny's upgrades yet, but we know that his chi reservoir has expanded CONSIDERABLY - more than doubled. Giving him at least twice as many chances, or twice as much power.Not to mention the fact that he can use the Iron Fist at range - meaning that Logan's claws hardly give him any reach advantage.
but you fail to realize that all wolverine has to do is one shot him, which he is capable of doing. I agree, danny will land some blows but would he be able to land licks before wolverine get that one lick in that would slow him down or kill him.
Wolverine wins 7/10
Originally posted by Soljer
It's unclear. It didn't seem to drain him any more than normal, and it affected an entire group of enemies. Of course, they were just hydra soldiers, but, as we know, Danny can make his fist more or less powerful as the situation calls for it.One moment, I'll see if I can get a scan.
but does that work with range attacks and so forth.
this is such a hard thing to debate since there such new upgrades no one really knows what they can truelly do yet.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2289/rangedareaironfistvn3.jpg
Not a GREAT range in that instance, but it was still a large enough range and area to take out a group of seven Hydra, and Danny didn't seem drained in the least.
And, this was before he received his Chi-upgrade from Orson Randall, and before he received the Book of the Iron Fist.
Originally posted by carver9
but you fail to realize that all wolverine has to do is one shot him, which he is capable of doing. I agree, danny will land some blows but would he be able to land licks before wolverine get that one lick in that would slow him down or kill him.Wolverine wins 7/10
But you're failing to realize that it's not too unlikely that all the Iron Fist needs is one shot as well. 😬.
That's why I used to set this at 5/10 - comparable speed, comparable skill, comparable damage output.
With his new upgrades, though, it would seem that Danny may have surpassed Wolverine.
Of course, I am not making any decisions about my initial opinion as of yet - like I said, I'm going to wait till we see the full depth and breadth of Danny's upgrades.
Originally posted by Soljer
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2289/rangedareaironfistvn3.jpgNot a GREAT range in that instance, but it was still a large enough range and area to take out a group of seven Hydra, and Danny didn't seem drained in the least.
And, this was before he received his Chi-upgrade from Orson Randall, and before he received the Book of the Iron Fist.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
till we see what his limits are and if he can indeed power it up and so forth it all simply speculation on both are parts.
Sure - but it isn't speculation to say that Iron Fist can put more or less chi into each strike. He's varied his powers from minimal to top-tier many times.
It also isn't speculation to say that if Wolverine WERE hit with such a blast, he'd likely be taken off his feet.
If Wolverine IS taken off his feet, it isn't speculation that a skilled, standing opponent would be at an advantage.
If said opponent is at an advantage, I'd say he'd have a much easier time landing that crucial Iron Fist to put Logan out of the fight.
To end, though; I STILL won't change my original opinion of 5/10.
Not till I see a little more from Danny.
To say that Logan wins a clear majority, though, is just not giving Danny nearly enough respect. In my opinion, anyways.
Originally posted by Soljer
Sure - but it isn't speculation to say that Iron Fist can put more or less chi into each strike. He's varied his powers from minimal to top-tier many times.
Originally posted by Soljer
It also isn't speculation to say that if Wolverine WERE hit with such a blast, he'd likely be taken off his feet.
im not sure I mean they have failed to do so before.
Originally posted by Soljer
If Wolverine IS taken off his feet, it isn't speculation that a skilled, standing opponent would be at an advantage.
Originally posted by Soljer
To end, though; I STILL won't change my original opinion of 5/10.Not till I see a little more from Danny.
To say that Logan wins a clear majority, though, is just not giving Danny nearly enough respect. In my opinion, anyways.
till I see what current danny can really do and his limitation I leave it at 5/10
though dany prior to this arc I would give Logan 7/10
Originally posted by Soljer
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2289/rangedareaironfistvn3.jpg
6/10 Iron Fist.
