Originally posted by MadMel
Dude, read what i said..🙄
'flag camping' is putting mines in the [b]enemies flag spot...that way enemy doesnt get a chance to score..hardly a defensive manouvere [/B]
I'd call it a defensive maneouver.
There's still ways around it.
I wish people would stop blaming their ineptitude in games on things like "flag camping". Flag-camp them back, and instead of spending time coming up with rediculous terms like flag-camping, perfect your skills and shoot them in the head and blow their shit up.
If someones using a technique, that technique is also avaliable to you. If the game ends up devolving into a battle of crazy techniques, and doesn't resemble the game it should be, then it's the games fault for being flawed and not having rules and measures in place to prevent things like that.
The way I see it is that it really depends on what type of map your playing and the rules that apply for it, for example, take Counterstrike if your terroist and your playing a bomb map, I see that as pretty lame seeing that your objective is to plant/protect a bomb. Whereas if it's a map like where you have to protect the hostages e.g. cs_italy, camping in the house is ok, as your aim is to make sure the hostages aren't taken, and your best bet to prevent this is to keep close by.
Originally posted by Maestro
The way I see it is that it really depends on what type of map your playing and the rules that apply for it, for example, take Counterstrike if your terroist and your playing a bomb map, I see that as pretty lame seeing that your objective is to plant/protect a bomb. Whereas if it's a map like where you have to protect the hostages e.g. cs_italy, camping in the house is ok, as your aim is to make sure the hostages aren't taken, and your best bet to prevent this is to keep close by.
Obviously.
People complaining about campers in games where camping is a logical thing to do are completely missing the point and need to go sharpen their skills.
Camping is just annoying because you weren't expecting a bullet through your head by running past a certain area that is "usually" free. If you keep running into the same traps over and over it's your own fault after that.
If you also leave your base and go rambo looking for a flag like a bunch of headless chickens, don't act like a team, and the enemy rigs your base full of explosives, you shouldn't really complain when you get blown sky high. Blame your shit team, not the guys that blew you up. It's just capitalising on stupidity.
Originally posted by Red Superfly
Obviously.People complaining about campers in games where camping is a logical thing to do are completely missing the point and need to go sharpen their skills.
Camping is just annoying because you weren't expecting a bullet through your head by running past a certain area that is "usually" free. If you keep running into the same traps over and over it's your own fault after that.
If you also leave your base and go rambo looking for a flag like a bunch of headless chickens, don't act like a team, and the enemy rigs your base full of explosives, you shouldn't really complain when you get blown sky high. Blame your shit team, not the guys that blew you up. It's just capitalising on stupidity.
You have a point, but on the other side of the argument you've got to understand that it gets to an extent when camping becomes to excessive & this consequently ruins the way a person wants to play a game, which is why people complain about it.
Originally posted by Red Superfly
If you also leave your base and go rambo looking for a flag like a bunch of headless chickens, don't act like a team, and the enemy rigs your base full of explosives, you shouldn't really complain when you get blown sky high. Blame your shit team, not the guys that blew you up. It's just capitalising on stupidity.
Camping sometimes serves a useful purpose. If your the only person left on the map, and the team has 10 guys still alive. You have to camp.
Also, in real life, where the games are based on, camping is setting up an ambush. In real life, thats called being a good general.
In TFC, when the attacking team gets into the opposing base, I hate it when people complain that they're spawn camping.
What else are they going to do?
I think it rewards them for being good at attacking the base. They're not directly in your spawn area, they just set up a couple of turrets to keep off the flow of reinforcements.
I dont think thats spawn killing. I just think that's perfect offensive strategy, which can be countered.
Originally posted by Red Superfly
I'd call it a defensive maneouver.There's still ways around it.
I wish people would stop blaming their ineptitude in games on things like "flag camping". Flag-camp them back, and instead of spending time coming up with rediculous terms like flag-camping, perfect your skills and shoot them in the head and blow their shit up.
If someones using a technique, that technique is also avaliable to you. If the game ends up devolving into a battle of crazy techniques, and doesn't resemble the game it should be, then it's the games fault for being flawed and not having rules and measures in place to prevent things like that.
ok, this is the part where i ask everyone to not swoop in and tear pinball apart, or anyone else who will support spawncamping. ive seen many threads sink to the depths of flamage with this very topic.
anyway, i'll give my opinion now...i see no skill in spawn camping, and fail to see it as a tactic. the arguments i get on other forums are as follows:
1-you have to be good to make it to their spawn.
this is an argument i completely disagree with. when playing graw, i have gone straight to their spawn on many occasions without making contact. i call that dumb luck, not skill. i dont get to the other side and say "daaaaaaaaams i'm goooooooood" ...btw, i have done this playing top notch gamers. many times you just luck out and get to the other side unseen because they are elsewhere looking to bust a cap in your ass.
2-they shouldnt have let you get there in the first place. so its their fault because they suck
another pointless argument imho. maybe they DO suck, but isnt it more fun to kill them on the field, knowing they are not cripped by the disposition of being spawn camping? so you are really giving them an excuse for being beaten, arent you? ...but that doesnt matter, because as per the first point, people can get to your spawn by dumb luck, and its quite stupid and boring for a team to just sit at their spawn to avoid campers. and...when you think about it, if both teams did that...there really wouldnt be a game,, would there?
3-its just part of the game. deal with it.
so are cheats and glitching as well as modding/bridging. so that makes them ok too? when some dickhead host lags you out on halo2, thats fair because its part of the game? i think not.
4-its realistic in that you are capturing their base. i guess you are, but if thats the case you should be playing a territory match instead. as for realism, no military is stupid enough to constantly drop troops into an extraction zone already taken over my the enemy...so much for the 'realistic' aspect.
what i find troubling is the people who voted for spawn camping being fair disregarding host/guest rules. kinda rude if you ask me. the very people i boot from the games i host. i mean, anyone with a degree of class would opt for #3 if they supported spawn camping imho.
hmm well.. while I dont agree that its sportsmanlike... I do find it fun to annoy people with 'because' its a part of the game mechanics...
however.. the real issue of this is the spawn points... there arent enough of them.. which makes them predictable.. there should be a seperate part of script that tells the game to spawn the player in an area devoid of enemy players or an area that has the least amount of enemy activity.. any ground based coordinates should be accessible to this feature... the funny part is this has been going on since first person shooters existed...yet the developers still have not tried to impliment some kind of anti spawn kill system... I think a few have tried the " ## seconds of invulnerability " after spawning.. which does kinna help.. but i'd like something a lil more spicy and complex
well, CoD2 does have random spawn points, which helps alot
:edit: i always turn spawn invulnarability off in the games i host, since the problem is that while you are invulnerable, you also cannot move or even look around. so all an enemy has to do is count to (whatever the spawn time is set to) and let one fly at your skull. so its pointless imho
Well I'm not really supporting camping, I'm just saying people do it and most people don't like it because its annoying. I don't camp because its not very fun, but I think people can camp if they want. I think it is a tactic because you have to work as a team to spawn camp. One guy can't do it alone.