Originally posted by SamZED
They all had guns and he didn't get tagged once or hurt?
No when he got attacked by 9 guys but they didnt have guns. However its a moot point because
Originally posted by SamZED
Also, lets be honest Daken wasn't exactly going all out, he was enjoying himself,
That excuse could be applied to when he fought Wolverine as well. When you're enjoying yourself you tend not to swear and scream in agony.
rraaaagggrghhh = not enjoying yourself.
Originally posted by SamZED
I know who Frank fought, whom he beat, but overall NW has got more advantages over him where it matters the most. So I say he takes majority.
No you dont, except you havent proven that these advantages would help.
Originally posted by DeadlineThat excuse could be applied to when he fought Wolverine as well. When you're enjoying yourself you tend not to swear and scream in agony.
rraaaagggrghhh = not enjoying yourself.
Also why does this one encounter equal>>>>over NW? I mean he was stabbed within seconds of the fight while being mocked, but his crazy ass damage soak allowed him to keep it up, not to mention it was his death. I mean anyone else realize that of course during ones death there going to make him look the best he can? I mean they don't normally let hero's go out on low notes you know?
This part below is more to the general thread as a whole.
but asside from this that was aveyr impressive showing for Punisher. Nothing should be taken away from him. He put up one hell of a fight. Now Punisher damage soak is insane. NW will be battering him, but will it matter when some one has insane damage soak? Can NW advantages in fighting skill off set Punisher willingness to do anything and fight dirty? Can his speed of set Punisher strength? Can his agility counter his damage soak? I dont know to be honest.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not so true, for one sabre-tooth makes noises like that all the time and enjoys him self in most every battle.
Hes an exception to the rule. Daken isn't Sabretooth and you can could clearly see that Punisher was pissing off Daken.
Pissed off = not enjoying yourself.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also Daken made a niose like once for a second
Please read the issue and im having to constantly correct you about what happened in Punisher fights.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
and was mocking Punisher the entire time.....mocking does not scream trying nor does he not using his pheramones......
He does that often, doesn't mean that somehow Daken was easier to fight. The writer might have forgotten about the pheremones but its actually possible he could resist them see the Punisher annual.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also why does this one encounter equal>>>>over NW? I mean he was stabbed within seconds of the fight while being mocked, but his crazy ass damage soak allowed him to keep it up, not to mention it was his death. I mean anyone else realize that of course during ones death there going to make him look the best he can? I mean they don't normally let hero's go out on low notes you know?
I already gave other examples.
Please stop making excuses hes got enough showings to indicate he can pull that shit off.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
but asside from this that was aveyr impressive showing for Punisher. Nothing should be taken away from him. He put up one hell of a fight. Now Punisher damage soak is insane. NW will be battering him, but will it matter when some one has insane damage soak? Can NW advantages in fighting skill off set Punisher willingness to do anything and fight dirty? Can his speed of set Punisher strength? Can his agility counter his damage soak? I dont know to be honest.
NW isn't going to be able to put him down. NWs speed isn't enough to give him an advantage. See Punishers fights with Daken, Deadpool, Kraven and his fight with Spiderman in his annual (not h2h but Punisher showed good reflexes).
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygonAnd no, Daredevil is NOT as skilled as Batman. Never was, never will be.
Care to prove it. Certainly enough proof to say he would beat NW.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygonAs for the fight, as skilled(?) as Punisher is, he's not getting the better of NW.
Could you care to bring any evidence instead of making points without backing them up?
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
NW fights Deathstroke on a consistent basis, and even has some wins..
Are we to say that Punisher stands a chance against Deathstroke, in a MELEE encounter? I don't think so.
I dont even think thats true. Punisher has stalemated people that could either beat or stalemate DS. So yes he most certainly does.
Originally posted by Deadline
Hes an exception to the rule. Daken isn't Sabretooth and you can could clearly see that Punisher was pissing off Daken.Pissed off = not enjoying yourself.
Originally posted by Deadline
Please read the issue and im having to constantly correct you about what happened in Punisher fights.
I have read it many times and just read it again. He only made that nioise once when he got his lip bitten off and then made a little niose when he got shoot (weirdly enough far far far far less of a niose go figure it always the small places that hurt the most).
Originally posted by Deadline
He does that often, doesn't mean that somehow Daken was easier to fight. The writer might have forgotten about the pheremones but its actually possible he could resist them see the Punisher annual.
Originally posted by Deadline
I already gave other examples.Please stop making excuses hes got enough showings to indicate he can pull that shit off.
find this statement odd given the fact you been saying DR Punisher is some new beast physically.
Originally posted by Deadline
NW isn't going to be able to put him down. NWs speed isn't enough to give him an advantage. See Punishers fights with Daken, Deadpool, Kraven and his fight with Spiderman in his annual (not h2h but Punisher showed good reflexes).
Annual fight you mean when spiderman mind all messed up and he BFR Punisher? Deadpool? You mean whena rep Punisher gets beat and then ambush DP at his house with a sword?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
He was enjoying him self in the beginning of the fight, he got pissed after he got his lipp ripped off, and then shot. He then start again enjoying himself near the end of the fight.
Exactly your picking and choosing what happened to the MIDDLE.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I have read it many times and just read it again. He only made that nioise once when he got his lip bitten off and then made a little niose when he got shoot (weirdly enough far far far far less of a niose go figure it always the small places that hurt the most).
Im pretty sure he said rarrrrggghh when he got punched in the eye. Either way your trying to downplay the feat.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
It does make him easier to fight, his pheramones make him far more dangerous though you are right they have been leaving them out in team matches.
Hes still very dangerous, it would be like fighting Wolverine.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it not possible I read that issue. Seem to be more will power then anything, which Punisher has in spades. He won’t be able to resist chemical changes in his body unless now he has a new superpower lol.
Im not saying its a foregone conclusion but its possible. He resisted mind control and yes he can resist chemical changes in his body and has done so.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
find this statement odd given the fact you been saying DR Punisher is some new beast physically.
No the statement not odd it seems you misunderstand the point im making.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
NW could put him down will he? I don’t know. You may be right about the speed he be landing more but will it be enough? Seen them except Kraven one, what issue is that?
Thats the one where he fought Tiger Shark, Mandrill and ran from Swarm and Gargoyle before fighting Kraven.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Annual fight you mean when spiderman mind all messed up and he BFR Punisher?
His mind wasn't messed mindcontrol made him bloodlusted. Thats one example he showed good agility and speed in other examples.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Deadpool? You mean whena rep Punisher gets beat and then ambush DP at his house with a sword?
Nope they fight h2h later on in the series.
Originally posted by Deadline
Exactly your picking and choosing what happened to the MIDDLE.
Originally posted by Deadline
Im pretty sure he said rarrrrggghh when he got punched in the eye. Either way your trying to downplay the feat.
Originally posted by Deadline
Hes still very dangerous, it would be like fighting Wolverine.
Originally posted by DeadlineIm not saying its a foregone conclusion but its possible. He resisted mind control and yes he can resist chemical changes in his body and has done so.
Originally posted by Deadline
No the statement not odd it seems you didnt understand the point im making.
Originally posted by DeadlineThats the one where he fought Tiger Shark, Mandrill and ran from Swarm and Gargoyle before fighting Kraven.
Do you remember the issue number? I like to give it a read. Though it must not be the same issue as the tiger shark one I have read it.
His mind wasn't messed mindcontrol made him bloodlusted. Thats one example he should good agility and speed in other examples.
Originally posted by DeadlineNope they fight h2h later on in the series.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not at all I fully admit he was mad in the middle of the fight right after his he gott shot.No I was just proving I read the issue.
Ok fair enough. Its was also impressive that Pun was able to defend himself somewhat against Daken when he jumped him when you think of the conidtion he was in.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Be like fighting a Wolverine light, but still very dangerous to say the least.
..ok.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine done the same yet could do nothing against it, hell Skaar could tell he was beign effected but could do nothing to stop it, it strech and a large one to assume he could resist them.
Yeah except the mindcontrol worked on Spiderman just fine, not sure if Wolverines willpower is vastly better than Spidermans.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Do you remember the issue number? I like to give it a read. Though it must not be the same issue as the tiger shark one I have read it.
Yeah it is, if not its the one after.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Do you recall the issue number?
Heres the fight.
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Originally posted by Deadlinebecause what? How's it a moot point 🤨 9 unarmed guys does NOT = 6 guys armed with guns. Eddie Brock beat the crap outta 6-7 guys with knives and chains and im not ready to put him on NW's level in fighting skills or speed.
No when he got attacked by 9 guys but they didnt have guns. However its a moot point because
Originally posted by DeadlineNo it can't. He didn't even use pheromones, he used them when he fought Wolverine like 3 times, when he fought Deadpool, when he fought Spider-man etc but not with Frank so yeah he wasn't going all out not even close and getting stabbed or shot is a joke for a guy with such HF even if he screams "aargh", also Frank didn't match him in h2h fight he simply lasted long enough, so bringing this up doesn't prove your point.
That excuse could be applied to when he fought Wolverine as well. When you're enjoying yourself you tend not to swear and scream in agony.rraaaagggrghhh = not enjoying yourself.
Originally posted by DeadlineThat's a lame responce. Yes, I do, and btw i have read the Kraven fight as well.
No you dont
Originally posted by DeadlineDidn't know I have to, the guy is faster, stronger, more agile, has better reflexes and a more skilled fighter and this is a h2h fight, how these advantages would be of no help in this particular scenario?
except you havent proven that these advantages would help.
Originally posted by SamZED
because what? How's it a moot point 🤨 9 unarmed guys does NOT = 6 guys armed with guns. Eddie Brock beat the crap outta 6-7 guys with knives and chains and im not ready to put him on NW's level in fighting skills or speed .
Its moot because Daken, Deadpool, and Kraven all have genuine superhuman speed and Punisher didn't have trouble hitting them.
Originally posted by SamZED
No it can't. He didn't even use pheromones, he used them when he fought Wolverine like 3 times, when he fought Deadpool, when he fought Spider-man etc but not with Frank so yeah he wasn't going all out not even close and getting stabbed or shot is a joke for a guy with such HF even if he screams "aargh", also Frank didn't match him in h2h fight he simply lasted long enough, so bringing this up doesn't prove your point.
Um some writers actually forget that he has pehermones. Daken was also clearly pissed off.
Of course it doesn't Punisher had a broken leg and had bandaged wounds that were bleeding before the fight. The previous day he had burnt his family to death and was that had scarred him emotionally as well.
Originally posted by SamZED
That's a lame responce. Yes, I do, and btw i have read the Kraven fight as well.
Yeah so what?
Originally posted by SamZED
Didn't know I have to, the guy is faster, stronger, more agile, has better reflexes and a more skilled fighter and this is a h2h fight, how these advantages would be of no help in this particular scenario?
Its moot because Daken, Deadpool, and Kraven all have genuine superhuman speed and Punisher didn't have trouble hitting them. Prove hes a better fighter, hes more agile done mean hes better at h2h.
Originally posted by DeadlineABC logic, not the best one. Deathstroke has fought Flash many times before, doesn't put him on his speed level, if we talk speed we go by speed feats and NW's > Frank's, so ill concider him to be faster and he's definitely A LOT better at dodging. Either way, I do not care about this fight enough to turn it into a long debate with huge posts. IMHO - NW 6-7/10 in a h2h fight. Frank 7-8/10 if he's allowed to use guns. With prep Punisher in a stomp. Feel free to agree or disagree.
Its moot because Daken, Deadpool, and Kraven all have genuine superhuman speed and Punisher didn't have trouble hitting them.
Originally posted by SamZED
ABC logic, not the best one. Deathstroke has fought Flash many times before, doesn't put him on his speed level, if we talk speed we go by speed feats and NW's > Frank's, so ill concider him to be faster and he's definitely A LOT better at dodging. Either way, I do not care about this fight enough to turn it into a long debate with huge posts. [b]IMHO - NW 6-7/10 in a h2h fight. Frank 7-8/10 if he's allowed to use guns. With prep Punisher in a stomp. Feel free to agree or disagree. [/B]
You're using ABC logic yourself and then telling me ABC logic is not the best to use. facepalm
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Frank has battled refined (or more refined) opponents like Nightwing. And it still is NEVER a sure thing.
Yeah but thats ABC logic.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Don't underestimate Dick Grayson. But it's easier and more ignorant to underestimate Frank Castle.
Seriously though I see NW much like DD but the way Remenders written Frank NW just won't be able to put him down.
I shoiuld just hurry up and finish the respect thread.
Originally posted by DeadlineNo, it's not just ABC logic. It's just dispelling that Punisher is merely a brawler and can't hang with highly skilled/refined opponents.
Yeah but thats ABC logic.Seriously though I see NW much like DD but the way Remenders written Frank NW just won't be able to put him down.
I shoiuld just hurry up and finish the respect thread.
Really? Because that's one that I was working on along with the Guy Gardner thread. I won't try to step on your toes, if you're in a highly developed stage...