Summers Family, then the house of El is tied with the Richards.
I don't care who the El's bring to the table, they can't compete with both the Goblin Force and the PF. And the Summers clan has the White Crown in its lineup. Even with the SOS, people wouldn't give him odds against Lucifer or Michael. Why disrespect the Phoenix in turn??
Most of the El family has brute force as its main advantage. When facing Celestial level beings, Brute force fails. And before anybody brings up Mxy, he was blasted to oblivion by Gog from the Kingdom. A skyfather level being. Celestials alone immensely dwarf skyfathers. And with multiple pf hosts to boot?? Summers for the win. And with Vulcan now being around, he might be able to take a few of the lower tier Els. If his hype delivers on panel. And since we never saw any feats of SOS, why rank it so high?? Omnipotent is vastly overused as a descriptive word. Ion was said to be omnipotent, but when i created an Ion vs Lucifer thread, Lucifer was the clear choice. Until we see feats from the SOS, don't bet so much on its invincibility. Cause you're backing an empty cartridge.
If the speedforce is the sum of ALL kinetic energy in the DCU, and it was destroyed by an abysmal character like sbp, the fact that the heroes are still alive and moving about makes me scratch my head in confusion. And the speedforce wasn't destroyed by SBP. The flashes overtaxed it, and its flame flickered. The speedforce CAN'T be destroyed. The universe itself revolves around kinetic energy. From brainwaves to blood flow to celestial movement. Were the sf destroyed, the universe would die. Read up on it.
And the PF would blink away sbp and the rest like Takion should've have a long time ago.
The Summers family has some pretty powerful energy manipulation and psionics going for them, they got Cyclopes, Havok, Vulcan, Jean, Maddie, Rachel, Cable, Stryfe, Nate Grey, Alia, Genesis. Cable, Rachel, Alia, Genesis and Stryfe have access to all kinds of crazy tech from farther in the future than the others have been as well as Askani training. Then we have Scott from mutant X who is supposed to be real powerful as a wild card, he can always access these powers when his father is in danger. In the end Havoc married that nurse so her son who is extremely powerful is his stepson and gets to join as well. Are there any divergent realites where Havoc married Polaris, and if so do in-laws count? If you count Hyperstorm then you'll have to move Rachel to the Richards side, they were married and that ends up being stupid because Jean is her favorite person in all existence and she would never fight her mother, further more considering how unstable Hyperstorm is he might kill his family before anybody else even has a chance to fight them.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Summers Family, then the house of El is tied with the Richards.
I don't care who the El's bring to the table, they can't compete with both the Goblin Force and the PF. And the Summers clan has the White Crown in its lineup. Even with the SOS, people wouldn't give him odds against Lucifer or Michael. Why disrespect the Phoenix in turn??Most of the El family has brute force as its main advantage. When facing Celestial level beings, Brute force fails. And before anybody brings up Mxy, he was blasted to oblivion by Gog from the Kingdom. A skyfather level being. Celestials alone immensely dwarf skyfathers. And with multiple pf hosts to boot?? Summers for the win. And with Vulcan now being around, he might be able to take a few of the lower tier Els. If his hype delivers on panel. And since we never saw any feats of SOS, why rank it so high?? Omnipotent is vastly overused as a descriptive word. Ion was said to be omnipotent, but when i created an Ion vs Lucifer thread, Lucifer was the clear choice. Until we see feats from the SOS, don't bet so much on its invincibility. Cause you're backing an empty cartridge.
Gog isn't skyfather , he's just a walking plot-device.
Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
Yeah, but Hyperstorm is said to be an amalgamation of Magneto, Prof X and the Phoenix itself (his grandmother!). Him along with Psi-Lord and the Ultimate Nullifier can challenge the Phoenix.
Thats hyperbole. Where did you see Hyperstorm display any Phoenix abilities? Plus even if that were true his access to the force would merely be shut off by The White Crown Phoenix. The Ultimate Nullifier is a machine, its inner workings can be tampered with, it is vulnerable. On top of that even Galactus has escaped its affects and punked Hyperstorm, plus the Infinity Gauntlet has rendered the device inert before. Non factor.
Originally posted by grey fox
House of El.Superboy Prime retcon punches the marvel characters back to their 1950 versions and then the super-team beat the shit out of them .
That worked because SPB was in the Alex Luthor created "Heaven". SPB could not and did not just walk around Metropolis punching retcons out of thin air. It was all about location. Just like Cyclops could to the nexus of realities and under his open power destroy universes or the multiverse, yet do you think he could do the same from the X-mansion? 😕
On top of that SPB's ability to do thatwas not only due to his location but the weaknesses in reality left over by the first Crisis. In a neutral battlefield those circumstances wouldnt be in place.
Originally posted by Jesse7
And Superman Prime has the Sword, along with Superman one million, and Pre Crises Superman, and the Crossover of Superman and Thor, Thor-ELAnd the Dynasty of Superman, and his family which is part of the fifth dimension imps, one being a queen.
The Sword wasnt a part of his standard equipment so its a non factor here im afraid. On top of that as far as we saw in the only appearance where it was actually used it CONCLUSIVELY gave Pre crisis Supes omniscience, nothing more im afraid. Beings like Phoenix possess that ability inherently. 😉
Originally posted by illadelph12
Any relation, be it genetic (birth or cloning) or by marriage, in any reality, counts.So yes, in-laws would count.
That's why Kal El can call on Wonder Woman's geneology as well. She was the mother of his child.
If thats the case then the Summers family can call on the abstracts cos Phoenix is their "mother" 😂
Ok then you want to play it like that then Gs , fine by me.
All of the supermen are immune (or incredibly resistant ) to Tp . Slam one for Summers family.
All of them are incredibly durable , unless K-nite or magic is involved (and guess what c, none of the ilk witch you worship have those specific techniques....what a pity) The early summers (scott ect etc) get taken out with ease, vulcan is Supes 1 millions ***** , with him smashing through dimensions with ease.
Superboy Prime put's his planet moving strnehg to work by knocking jeans head clean off. Because at the end of the day jean still has human durability. A tk shield can be smashed through and as we all know SBP NEVER holds back .
Reality is already being warped taking out most of the opposing team members thanks to the dynasties Imp magic/powers.
Wonder Woman god-waves the opposing team , it doesn't take too long for her to start it up .
Everyone is now dead save for the Superman family.
Ps : Next time learn to take a joke GS
Originally posted by grey fox
Ok then you want to play it like that then Gs , fine by me.All of the supermen are immune (or incredibly resistant ) to Tp . Slam one for Summers family.
A resistance far from equates to immunity. As we have seen recently in Supes own title he can be psionically manipulated. Maxwell Lord is far from the Phoenix Force point dismissed.
On top of that psionic power isnt the only power the Phoenix possesses, a little common sense please. It possesses any and all abilities to any extent. Sorry mate.
Originally posted by grey fox
All of them are incredibly durable , unless K-nite or magic is involved (and guess what c, none of the ilk witch you worship have those specific techniques....what a pity) The early summers (scott ect etc) get taken out with ease, vulcan is Supes 1 millions ***** , with him smashing through dimensions with ease.
Again, incredible durability does not equate to 100 % invulnerability. We are dealing with the Phoenix Force here the power of creation, it can command any energy type in any amount as stated, a bunch of Supermen other dimensional or otherwise are not going to be able to withstand the power of creation if its out to kill them. Would you claim that these guys could punk the Source? If not SHHHH!! 😉
Originally posted by grey fox
Superboy Prime put's his planet moving strnehg to work by knocking jeans head clean off. Because at the end of the day jean still has human durability. A tk shield can be smashed through and as we all know SBP [b]NEVER holds back .[/B]
Jean is the Phoenix. As stated she can take on any form she likes and be as invulnerable as she likes. If you would like a bio statement then ask nicely and i'll see what i can do. In a bloodlust match where PIS/CIS isnt included and the characters are using their abilities to their fullest extent, the supermen get wasted. If the Phoenix put up a tk shield, SBP would not be getting thru. Dont be absurd sonny. 😂
Originally posted by grey fox
Reality is already being warped taking out most of the opposing team members thanks to the dynasties Imp magic/powers.Wonder Woman god-waves the opposing team , it doesn't take too long for her to start it up .
None of the imps have powers on the scale of Phoenix. Phoenix is the lifes blood of Marvels multiverse and its manifestations safeguard its various realities from beyond space and time. What youre forgetting is that Mxy and the likes of the imps are just from the fifth dimension. Dc tends to talk in terms of the universal so Mxy coming from a higher dimensional plane and messing with a lower dimension (the main DC universe) seems impressive when looked at in those terms. However we're talking about a being (Phoenix) who is the power behind a multiverse, who is beyond all realities and as seen in New X-men has jurisdiction over Marvels multiverse, then theres no way Mxy and his ilk will be able pull there sh*t on Phoenix. Mxy is impressive because hes from a higher dimension and can look down and manipulate the main dc universe like us over ant hills. However he and the imps are still a part of DC's multiverse and as such are below multiversal beings like Phoenix, Spectre and LT whose power and jurisdiction spans all realities in their multiverses. Just look how Spectres disruption of magic in DC left Mxy powerless. Illustrates my point exactly. 😉
Originally posted by grey fox
Everyone is now dead save for the Superman family.
Far from the case. Know your stuff. ❌
Originally posted by grey fox
Ps : Next time learn to take a joke GS
Next time make sure you know your sh*t before you open your mouth in a debate and for the love of god dont be so quick to gloat cos you'll only look very silly when your arguments brushed aside like rain off a mac when the better man comes through. 😱