The Godwave is an energy wave derived from DC's Source. The Phoenix Force is the equivalent of the Source in Marvel. It too manifests as the Big Bang and its energies sustain creation. The Godwave is just a derivative from the Big Bang so its not even the full measure and on top of that Wonder Woman can wield it for a few seconds. Point dismissed. Please refer to DC's Genesis.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
A resistance far from equates to immunity. As we have seen recently in Supes own title he can be psionically manipulated. Maxwell Lord is far from the Phoenix Force point dismissed.On top of that psionic power isnt the only power the Phoenix possesses, a little common sense please. It possesses any and all abilities to any extent. Sorry mate.
Again, incredible durability does not equate to 100 % invulnerability. We are dealing with the Phoenix Force here the power of creation, it can command any energy type in any amount as stated, a bunch of Supermen other dimensional or otherwise are not going to be able to withstand the power of creation if its out to kill them. Would you claim that these guys could punk the Source? If not SHHHH!! 😉
Jean is the Phoenix. As stated she can take on any form she likes and be as invulnerable as she likes. If you would like a bio statement then ask nicely and i'll see what i can do. In a bloodlust match where PIS/CIS isnt included and the characters are using their abilities to their fullest extent, the supermen get wasted. If the Phoenix put up a tk shield, SBP would not be getting thru. Dont be absurd sonny. 😂
None of the imps have powers on the scale of Phoenix. Phoenix is the lifes blood of Marvels multiverse and its manifestations safeguard its various realities from beyond space and time. What youre forgetting is that Mxy and the likes of the imps are just from the fifth dimension. Dc tends to talk in terms of the universal so Mxy coming from a higher dimensional plane and messing with a lower dimension (the main DC universe) seems impressive when looked at in those terms. However we're talking about a being (Phoenix) who is the power behind a multiverse, who is beyond all realities and as seen in New X-men has jurisdiction over Marvels multiverse, then theres no way Mxy and his ilk will be able pull there sh*t on Phoenix. Mxy is impressive because hes from a higher dimension and can look down and manipulate the main dc universe like us over ant hills. However he and the imps are still a part of DC's multiverse and as such are below multiversal beings like Phoenix, Spectre and LT whose power and jurisdiction spans all realities in their multiverses. Just look how Spectres disruption of magic in DC left Mxy powerless. Illustrates my point exactly. 😉
Far from the case. Know your stuff. ❌
Next time make sure you know your sh*t before you open your mouth in a debate and for the love of god dont be so quick to gloat cos you'll only look very silly when your arguments brushed aside like rain off a mac when the better man comes through. 😱
THATS IT DAMMIT .
I am sick to the back teeth of all this 'Phoenix is god , Phoenix is the equivalent to the source ' Bullshit . Phoenix was a ****ing writers way of bringing the red-headed ***** back to life . END OF STORY.
Phoenix is no where NEAR the ****ing source.
*Calms down*
Sorry about that everyone , but i hate phoenix .
My reasons include
A. She makes doomsday look comparatively normal when it comes to Plot-devices.
B. I dislike mutants , but i don't let that influence my choices.
C. All this crap about Jean being part of god is pure bullshit , if i ever meet the guy who came up with that face to face i will personally ram his head up his ass.
Also , i wasn't gloating Gs . I was just stating that if you hadn't of taken my original post so seriously i wouldn't have had to write that long-ass post.
Oh one more thing , cut the 'This is from the source and the PF is from marvels equivalent of the source' Marvel has no source , your just making assumptions and it's hella annoying.
Originally posted by grey fox
THATS IT DAMMIT .I am sick to the back teeth of all this 'Phoenix is god , Phoenix is the equivalent to the source ' Bullshit . Phoenix was a ****ing writers way of bringing the red-headed ***** back to life . END OF STORY.
Phoenix is no where NEAR the ****ing source.
*Calms down*
Sorry about that everyone , but i hate phoenix .
My reasons include
A. She makes doomsday look comparatively normal when it comes to Plot-devices.
B. I dislike mutants , but i don't let that influence my choices.
Irrelevant 🙄
Originally posted by grey fox
C. All this crap about Jean being part of god is pure bullshit , if i [b]ever meet the guy who came up with that face to face i will personally ram his head up his ass. [/B]
Noones talking about Jean being a part of God here. You seem to have confused yourself somewhere down the line. While its been suggested that the Phoenix is linked to Marvels supreme being by reference and its role on panel that notion isnt canon. What is canon is that Phoenix is the energies of creation and the life force of reality. 😉
Originally posted by grey fox
Also , i wasn't gloating Gs . I was just stating that if you hadn't of taken my original post so seriously i wouldn't have had to write that long-ass post.
You disliked the fact that i dismissed your comments about SPB so you attempted to present what you thought was a credible strategy that conclusively showed why the house of El would win specifically against Phoenix. Afterwards you said next time i should next i should learn to take a joke as if you somehow thought your effort was a punishment. 😕
It didnt work out. 😉
Originally posted by grey fox
Oh one more thing , cut the 'This is from the source and the PF is from marvels equivalent of the source' Marvel has no source , your just making assumptions and it's hella annoying.
Do you know what exactly the Source is Grey Fox? Your comments suggest otherwise. The Source as stated on panel is the energies of creation in DC. It manifested into the void as the Big Bang and is the life force of DC creation.
The Phoenix Force is the energies of creation in Marvel. It was born from the void and manifested into reality as the Big Bang. It is the life force of Marvel creation. Sound familiar? 🙂
On top of that in a DC/Marvel crossover (Uncanny X-men/Teen Titans) the Phoenix Force and The Source were likened to each other
They are very much equivalents in their respective creations. Why? Because of role.
Know your stuff.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Irrelevant 🙄Noones talking about Jean being a part of God here. You seem to have confused yourself somewhere down the line. While its been suggested that the Phoenix is linked to Marvels supreme being by reference and its role on panel that notion isnt canon. What is canon is that Phoenix is the energies of creation and the life force of reality. 😉
You disliked the fact that i dismissed your comments about SPB so you attempted to present what you thought was a credible strategy that conclusively showed why the house of El would win specifically against Phoenix. Afterwards you said next time i should next i should learn to take a joke as if you somehow thought your effort was a punishment. 😕
It didnt work out. 😉
Do you know what exactly the Source is Grey Fox? Your comments suggest otherwise. The Source as stated on panel is the energies of creation in DC. It manifested into the void as the Big Bang and is the life force of DC creation.
The Phoenix Force is the energies of creation in Marvel. It was born from the void and manifested into reality as the Big Bang. It is the life force of Marvel creation. Sound familiar? 🙂
On top of that in a DC/Marvel crossover (Uncanny X-men/Teen Titans) the Phoenix Force and The Source were likened to each other
They are very much equivalents in their respective creations. Why? Because of role.
Know your stuff.
The source . (From my understanding) is a non specific/religious god/entity . It is from which all the 'super' stuff springs forth , thats why theirs such a thing as magic and green lantern rings and heat vision etc etc. The spectre is powered by the source.
Also you state throughout a few of your post's that phoenix is 'the left/right hand of god'
I'm a big enough man to admit that i was disgruntled by the way you slammed my post , but it was a joke. It wasn't a serious take on what the El family could do . Then i made the 'semi credible' argument out of that annoyance. The ending section was that you should have learnt to 'take a joke' .
Basically to not take every post so seriosuly.
Originally posted by grey fox
The source . (From my understanding) is a non specific/religious god/entity . It is from which all the 'super' stuff springs forth , thats why theirs such a thing as magic and green lantern rings and heat vision etc etc. The spectre is powered by the source.
And thats precisely my point. Your understanding is flawed. The Source is merely the energies of creation, which was both formed during and is the Big Bang which brought about DC creation. Nowhere is it stated that it powers the Spectre.
Originally posted by grey fox
Also you state throughout a few of your post's that phoenix is 'the left/right hand of god'
You arent involved in the more intense debates which take place on the forum so its understandable that you'd be behind on things. There was a big debate about the Phoenix Force nearly 6 months ago where most of JLAKMC debated and i said that while i still believed that the Phoenix Force is linked to Marvels supreme being as has been explicity implied on panel over the years as the point hasnt been stated or conclusively shown on panel i will not and cannot treat that god connection as canon. What is canon however is that the Force is the energies of creation and the life force of Marvel reality and of course its feats speak for themselves.
Thats all. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And thats precisely my point. Your understanding is flawed. The Source is merely the energies of creation, which was both formed during and is the Big Bang which brought about DC creation. Nowhere is it stated that it powers the Spectre.You arent involved in the more intense debates which take place on the forum so its understandable that you'd be behind on things. There was a big debate about the Phoenix Force nearly 6 months ago where most of JLAKMC debated and i said that while i still believed that the Phoenix Force is linked to Marvels supreme being as has been explicity implied on panel over the years as the point hasnt been stated or conclusively shown on panel i will not and cannot treat that god connection as canon. What is canon however is that the Force is the energies of creation and the life force of Marvel reality and of course its feats speak for themselves.
Thats all. 😉
Damn , well i got that wrong , ok so the Source is the energies of the Big-Bang.
And no i don't often get involved in those debates because .....
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[*]I've only really started getting noticed in the last few months so people don't treat me like an 'invisible face' and they actually comment upon what i'm saying.
[*]I'm an Authority member.
[*]I dislike the phoenix ..and mutants in general
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Well thats cool, but either way there was no need to get worked up cos i discredited your argument, especially if it was a joke. I responded regardless because some people actually do believe that stuff about SPB's retcon punch and even more would start believing it by reading your apparrent joke, so i nipped it in the bud before threads or silly claims within threads were made by new posters.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If thats the case then the Summers family can call on the abstracts cos Phoenix is their "mother" 😂
Jean Grey has no genetic relation to the abstracts. Before the 616 came into existence the Phoenix Force existed as did the Abstracts. The Jean manifestation is unique to the 616 and is predated by the abstracts of that universe.
No GS.
I'm trying not to get involved in this debate, but I'll hint that there's an argument for the Richards Family that hasn't been made that really needs to be. I realize the House of El and Summers Family may have the big names, but there's something to be said about "ingenuity"...
Originally posted by illadelph12
Jean Grey has no genetic relation to the abstracts. Before the 616 came into existence the Phoenix Force existed as did the Abstracts. The Jean manifestation is unique to the 616 and is predated by the abstracts of that universe.
Completely incorrect. Allow me to introduce you to the Jean Grey of the previous universe as featured in X-men Adventures which details the reality before 616:
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Here she is saving existence from eternal damnation at the hands of the Dweller in the Darkness as detailed in both Phoenixes bio and Galactus':
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The Jean Grey manifestation is not unique to 616. Jean Grey as stated in Classic X-men and New X-men and Endsong has always been Phoenix and as stated in the Phoenix bio Jean Grey is the Force.
With that in mind, the abstracts are just as much her children as Rachel is. They are spawned from her and she refers to all life the stars and the planets as her children 😂
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm trying not to get involved in this debate, but I'll hint that there's an argument for the Richards Family that hasn't been made that really needs to be. I realize the House of El and Summers Family may have the big names, but there's something to be said about "ingenuity"...
I bet its gonna be similarly non factorish 😛
Originally posted by illadelph12
Grrrr!!!!!Damn you GS!!
If I debate in my own thread it will make it seem like I had a bias and pre-conceived victor for this thread beforehand, which would make presenting it for open debate pointless.
Basically, it would be a well guised spite thread.
I don't do that.
Whatever you say son. You sit there and try and keep face. 😉
Its quite obvious that you know your place. Dont feel shame my american friend, youre not alone 😱
Originally posted by illadelph12
You know, I consider myself a pretty intelligent person, but I honestly can't tell whether you are goading me on, or actually understood my dilemma with that last post you made.
Me goad? I wouldnt dream of such a thing. 😕
Either way mate, its cool. U dont have to step up to the challenge if you dont want to, i'll understand, foregone conclusion and all. 🙁
