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Romo 4th in the league in passing, Witten 5th in the league in receiving (no not in TE's no not in NFC, 5th in the NFL period)

The cowboys are 3rd in the NFL in passing yards a game #1 in the NFL in passing TD's, #2 in the NFL in passes over 20 yards.

Oh and Barber is 2nd on the team in catches so when your TE is the 5th best pass catcher in the NFL and your RB is #2 on your team, yea they count as "receivers" they are part of the pass attack. TO, the #1 WR is the 3rd pass option. Crayton and Austin are 4th and 5th, you dont need stars for that. Oh and they have 5 TD's between them and average 15 and 23 yards a catch respectively.

How you can say their passing game is weak is beyond me.

Ask me where the biggest issue was? It was the defense. They arnt forcing enough turn overs and getting enough pressure. Take away Ware (who you claim they dont even need) and they have only 9 sacks which would be terrible, he is the only pressure on the defense. They only have 2 INT's!!!!

Second issue has become the O-line. Early on Romo could take a nap now all of a sudden hes running for his life.

So again Roy Williams good? Absolutely but gonna make them better? Maybe slightly but nothing ground breaking because the areas he can help they are already GREAT. The areas they are weak he will not make better.

Originally posted by forumcrew
Romo 4th in the league in passing, Witten 5th in the league in receiving (no not in TE's no not in NFC, 5th in the NFL period)

The cowboys are 3rd in the NFL in passing yards a game #1 in the NFL in passing TD's, #2 in the NFL in passes over 20 yards.

Oh and Barber is 2nd on the team in catches so when your TE is the 5th best pass catcher in the NFL and your RB is #2 on your team, yea they count as "receivers" they are part of the pass attack. TO, the #1 WR is the 3rd pass option. Crayton and Austin are 4th and 5th, you dont need stars for that. Oh and they have 5 TD's between them and average 15 and 23 yards a catch respectively.

How you can say their passing game is weak is beyond me.

I didn't say their passing game was weak. I said their receivers beyond T.O. are not that good. Is this hard for you comprehend? I did not say Barber wasn't a good receiver out of the back field, I did not say Witten was a bad tight end. It seems like you are just itching for an argument here, when there really isn't one. Maybe it's a misunderstanding, I don't know. But the simple fact is, in their losses, they haven't been moving the ball, at all. And the one glaring weakness was their receiving corps. T.O. has been getting smothered, neither Crayton or Austin are taking pressure off of him, neither is Witten or any of the other weapons they have an offense. You need a second receiver to do that. Witten will always be covered by a line backer, as well as Barber and Jones. So when your talking about taking pressure off of your #1 receiver, taking that safety from over the top, or that second CB from the double, you will need a good #2 receiver lined up opposite side.

Not only that, but there will be teams that will double T.O. no matter what. Now you have that #2 receiver who can kill you. Cowboys didn't have that before, because no defense respected the 'slot bunch' Crayton, Hurd and Austin. Jerry Jones has been in search for a #2 receiver for a while now, that is why every time a receiver is perceived to be on the trading block, the Cowboys were always the first to call. Now that they have Williams, they have a complete offense. A playmaker at every skill position. Now Crayton can drop passes from the slot And Owens/Williams can make big plays in the passing game.

You're not going to get many big plays down field in the passing game from your tight end or running back. That is supposed to come from your receivers. When your check down back is the second leading receiver in terms of receptions, you know something is wrong.

I really think this a good move down the road because they have Willliams, who is a pretty young guy to take over for Owens.

I dont think it will matter that much this year.

I get that you are saying that their WR's beyond their #1 arnt great. My point is they dont have to be and I dont think having a 2nd top flight WR makes them any better this year unless the other parts improve. Look at the last superbowl winners. Over the last 8 years or so only the Colts had 2 top end WR's. Where have 85 and TJ gotten the bengals? how about Fitz and Boldin for the cards?

@Smas I do agree it could be good for the future with TO getting older, plus it gives them security if TO blows up and they have to get rid of him. But I agree completely it doesnt really matter for this year. Making the best (or very close to the best) pass attack in the nfl better doesnt really change anything.

Oh and LE are you ready to renege on saying Ware isnt important?

Considering in the playoffs, a high passing attack never wins Superbowls makes 2 WR's somewhat less meaningful than a great O-line, a good defense.

I think the Cowboys have a good defense. The past couple of games they've looked bad just because the offense has been playing like shit.
The Bengals game, the defense had to defend pretty much all day, and in their own end. Its good, not great though. Something about the overall defense is missing. They have the players, but its just doing it.

STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Smasandian
Considering in the playoffs, a high passing attack never wins Superbowls makes 2 WR's somewhat less meaningful than a great O-line, a good defense.

I think the Cowboys have a good defense. The past couple of games they've looked bad just because the offense has been playing like shit.
The Bengals game, the defense had to defend pretty much all day, and in their own end. Its good, not great though. Something about the overall defense is missing. They have the players, but its just doing it.

The thing that pisses me off the most is the Cowboys have a good offensive line. During the first few games, Romo had all day to throw the ball. Now, they seem to be struggling against the most no-name defense. It's baffling.

Well their left guard got injured, but it shouldn't be a problem.

Tony Romo is saying he's good to go this Sunday. He must have let that talk with Brett Favre get to his head. I hope Wade doesn't let him play. The Cowboys should be good enough to beat the Rams without his help.

Also, the state of Georgia decided that Pacman Jones was not in violation of his parole, so he's cleared there. Now we'll see what Goodell does with the situation.

He's going to be suspended, even though he didn't do anything wrong. A fight is a fight. It can happen at anytime.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Tony Romo is saying he's good to go this Sunday. He must have let that talk with Brett Favre get to his head. I hope Wade doesn't let him play. The Cowboys should be good enough to beat the Rams without his help.

Also, the state of Georgia decided that Pacman Jones was not in violation of his parole, so he's cleared there. Now we'll see what Goodell does with the situation.

He was in violation of his agreement with the commissioner and that is all that matters.

I wouldn't be surprised if Adam Jones remains suspended. He has never been convicted of any of his crimes and he was suspended for an entire season.

I believe the statistic is that police have been called to respond to 13 incidents he has been involved in since being drafted? There is bad luck, there is being miss understood, and then there is continually making bad choices in life and basically spitting in the face of the people trying to help you.

I give you that about the previous incidents, but this isn't.

If Pacman got suspended for this than half the NFL should get a 1 game suspension.

Originally posted by Smasandian
I give you that about the previous incidents, but this isn't.

If Pacman got suspended for this than half the NFL should get a 1 game suspension.

The level of the suspension is not directly based on what happened. It is based on his history and the deal he made with the Commish. He was on a stricter set of rules than everyone else, and if you think thats not fair well he could of never been reinstated in the first place. Hey in Cali 3 strikes you get Life = crime doesnt always get = punishment when you have a history.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
I wouldn't be surprised if Adam Jones remains suspended. He has never been convicted of any of his crimes and he was suspended for an entire season.

Exactly. Yet people like Matt Jones, who was arrested for cocaine possession, and Marvin Harrison, who is under investigation for shooting someone, are allowed to play as if nothing happened.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Exactly. Yet people like Matt Jones, who was arrested for cocaine possession, and Marvin Harrison, who is under investigation for shooting someone, are allowed to play as if nothing happened.

You act like the first time Pacman got in trouble they threw him out. 13 times isnt once. And the cases with those 2 are on going. There is a difference with an NFL vett (harrison) who is under an investigation (meaning no charges, no proof he did anything wrong at all yet) and has no negative history compared to a kid who just got drafted, and hasnt earned anything yet. Matt Jones hasnt gotten away with anything yet. If he follows the program felony charges are going to be dropped and he is involved in an NFL program right now.

"NFL-sponsored substance-abuse counseling and random drug testing through the end of the football season, then return to Fayetteville to complete the intervention program, Judge Mary Ann Gunn said. Jones could still face suspension by the NFL under its policies. The league said in a brief statement that Jones' case was being reviewed and it had no timetable for when its investigation would be complete."

You guys act like Adam Jones is a martyr or something.

Originally posted by forumcrew
You act like the first time Pacman got in trouble they threw him out. 13 times isnt once. And the cases with those 2 are on going. There is a difference with an NFL vett (harrison) who is under an investigation (meaning no charges, no proof he did anything wrong at all yet) and has no negative history compared to a kid who just got drafted, and hasnt earned anything yet. Matt Jones hasnt gotten away with anything yet. If he follows the program felony charges are going to be dropped and he is involved in an NFL program right now.

"NFL-sponsored substance-abuse counseling and random drug testing through the end of the football season, then return to Fayetteville to complete the intervention program, Judge Mary Ann Gunn said. Jones could still face suspension by the NFL under its policies. The league said in a brief statement that Jones' case was being reviewed and it had no timetable for when its investigation would be complete."

You guys act like Adam Jones is a martyr or something.

I don't think Adam Jones is a martyr. His biggest problem is he needs to get off the alcohol and start hanging around a different crowd.

However, the fact remains that he has never been charged with a crime despite all these incidents.

In both Matt Jones and Marvin Harrison's cases, they committed crimes, except Harrison hasn't been charged yet. Both of them are subject to the NFL's discipline for conduct, however neither one of them have been suspended a single game or fined a single dollar.

So what's the message the NFL is trying to send here? It's not ok to be an ass, but if you're a standup guy then you can get away with a more serious crime?

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
I wouldn't be surprised if Adam Jones remains suspended. He has never been convicted of any of his crimes and he was suspended for an entire season.

Jones is the poster child for this.

He was given a second chance and he fracked it up...

I was not surprised at all, I knew he would and now Jerry Jones may give him his walking papers

Originally posted by celestialdemon

However, the fact remains that he has never been charged with a crime despite all these incidents.

That is 100% false. Charged and convicted are very different, and also the conduct policy isnt just about criminal acts, its about conducting yourself like a responsible adult.