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So anyone heard of the A-11 offense? Was just reading about it some. Supposedly its taking the High School game by storm. It is a gimmick offense that really shouldnt be allowed except a loop hole in the rules. Teams play with ONE offensive lineman. They use 3 WR's split left and 3 WR's split right. A center to snap it with a TE on each side of him. and then 2 QB's. On any given play only 5 players can go downfield, but the trick is the defense doesnt know which 5 (of the 8 possible) it will be until the last second. At the last second 5 people will set on the line and basically declare themselves eligible and be set for the mandatory 1 second then the ball is hiked. Also you don't know which QB the ball will go to.

I heard its eating up high school circuit.

Yeah, as for the Cowboys. I should say their defense is less than alright. They have been playing shitty the past couple of games (even though St Louis has some decent offensive players)

But the scores dont justify how bad they are. Half of those scores are when the defense is playing a short field. A good defense would stop half of those. Dallas only has a decent defense thats playing way under potential. The first couple of games, the defense helped out Romo alot.

Originally posted by forumcrew
So anyone heard of the A-11 offense? Was just reading about it some. Supposedly its taking the High School game by storm. It is a gimmick offense that really shouldnt be allowed except a loop hole in the rules. Teams play with [b] ONE offensive lineman. They use 3 WR's split left and 3 WR's split right. A center to snap it with a TE on each side of him. and then 2 QB's. On any given play only 5 players can go downfield, but the trick is the defense doesnt know which 5 (of the 8 possible) it will be until the last second. At the last second 5 people will set on the line and basically declare themselves eligible and be set for the mandatory 1 second then the ball is hiked. Also you don't know which QB the ball will go to. [/B]

That's interesting. Once in a blue moon you'll see a college team do something like this, and usually those are some wacky kind of FG attempt.

Is this allowed in the NFL? A better question might be, has Parcells faxed this offensive formation to Ronnie Brown and Chad Pennington?

If it is some of those teams with garbage O-lines should try it.

Originally posted by botankus
That's interesting. Once in a blue moon you'll see a college team do something like this, and usually those are some wacky kind of FG attempt.

Is this allowed in the NFL? A better question might be, has Parcells faxed this offensive formation to Ronnie Brown and Chad Pennington?

I'm not sure if it is. I can't remember if the NFL still has a rule where there has to be 5 down linemen. I know there has to be 7 on the line with both ends ending with a receiver/tight end, but I'm not too sure about the "5 on the line" rule.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm not sure if it is. I can't remember if the NFL still has a rule where there has to be 5 down linemen. I know there has to be 7 on the line with both ends ending with a receiver/tight end, but I'm not too sure about the "5 on the line" rule.

I forget the exact loophole they found to make it legal but its some sort of kick formation i believe is where they found the technicality that allows it.

TMQ was talking about and I think I remember him saying that in the NFL it wouldnt be allowed because of some rule unless its a kick formation.

So I think you have it Forum.

I'd like to see it tried in the NFL, but I don't think it would work. Can you imagine a tight end, QB, or receiver trying to block someone like Umenyiora? Injuries would pile up quick.

STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow the falcons got screwed!

Pretty decent games today

That Steelers game is a good example of why i rarely watch football anymore. All of the goddamned bullshit, pussy penalties. They should do like Ditka said, put shorts on them and have them play soccer, but while im here...., go STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cant blame anyone but the steelers. That Safety was one of the most embarrassing ways to lose a game. Also they had a gift because Jacobs got in on 4th down.

Great day of games though.

Originally posted by forumcrew
You cant blame anyone but the steelers. That Safety was one of the most embarrassing ways to lose a game. Also they had a gift because Jacobs got in on 4th down.

Great day of games though.

Yeah, Jacobs definitely got in on that fourth down play.

Originally posted by forumcrew
You cant blame anyone but the steelers. That Safety was one of the most embarrassing ways to lose a game. Also they had a gift because Jacobs got in on 4th down.

Great day of games though.

I wasn't blaming anyone other than the people who deem what is legal play. I think the Steelers out played the Giants and only lost because of their Offensive line but thats not what i had a problem with. It is infuriating to see those kind of unsportsmanlike penalties and those terrible holding calls. The Giants were called on two unsportsmanlike penalties that were nothing more than football plays. I believe it was, Washington who dropped a pass and was hammered after he dropped the ball. The Giants were called for unsportsmanlike conduct on it but it was nothing of the sort. You see that shit all the time in the game. The laws on unsportsmanlike conduct, holding and pass interference are far to strict and really hurt the game, i believe.

That safety was ugly though and it is the second one of the season for the Steelers but i dont think it had much impact on that game at all. I think the Offensive line and collected injuries were the most damaging aspect for the Steelers in that game but the Giants also had injuries. I think the Giants deserved to win. The game wasn't decided on bad penalties like a lot of games are but they really made the game feel synthetic.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I wasn't blaming anyone other than the people who deem what is legal play. I think the Steelers out played the Giants and only lost because of their Offensive line

Tuck beat TE Miller on one sack and Ben held the ball too long on 3 of the other 4 sacks, not to mention the entire final series of the game from the 5-yard line. Stapleton played solid and Willie Colon was falling off whatshisname on the Washington TD that was called back from the ref who was on the other side of the pile. Yeah, we all know Colon blows (haha) but he was really the only weak link on the OL that day, as he is every week.

Now if you want to include the "backup" LS James Harrison, that was absolutely on Tomlin. There were two other active players with snapping experience, including Stapleton (who played center at Rutgers) and the STARTING CENTER Justin Hartwig. Go figure.

Ben has been sacked 24 times this season. He is more than a capable Quarter back. He has proven his ability to be elusive, time and time again. In fact, if he wasn't so talented at breaking tackles and eluding the rush his sacks may be doubled. This doesn't matter though because 24 sacks after 6 games says something is failing. It is either the QB or the O-line. Considering that the Steelers haven't had a consistent O-line for several years now has me believe thats where the problem lies Even Tomlin acknowledges the O lines inability to give Ben enough time in the pocket.

If Big Ben wasnt really good at evading sacks he would either be a: a quicker passer b: out of a job.

The line is suspect but alot of those sacks are probalby attributed to Big Ben (like how nobody calls him Rothafilgher) trying to make the big play, or giving extra time. Sometimes it works, sometimes it dont.

Im under the impression that sacks as a statistic is less meaningless than a QB hurry, knocked down or tipped pass. The reason is that a 5 sacks only affect 5 plays while they are important, having 15 QB's hurries can affect 15 plays, or even worst, a very hassled QB. In my opinion, and this is really just my opinion not based on facts, a QB who has been sacked 1 will be less afraid than a QB who has been hurried 10 times because the QB realizes that somebodies gonna to pop him and he wants to get the ball out really fast, which entails either a hurried pass for an INT, or a badly thrown ball. A sack, unless its a FF, usually means lost of 5 yards or so.

It definitly still important but as stat for OL's I think hurries, knock downs and tipped passes are more indicative to how badly a line is playing. Look at the Colts this year, their line has been awful, but hasnt really given up a ton of sacks, but Manning has been harressed every second play, which disrupts his timing, and eventual INT.

an over abundance of Hurries and sacks are both contributing factors to a faulty O-line. The Steelers suffer from both. I'm not trying to defend Roethlisberger but he rarely goes for big plays and usually doesn't seem to hold the ball longer than he needs to. Ben doesn't drop into shotgun very often and when he does the opposing team is usually able to predict the plays. Even though Roethlisberger generally carries a QB rating that rivals all others in the league i have never been comfortable with him as Quarter Back.
I think the O-line is very good at opening up holes for the half backs because they make a mediocre Running Back seem incredible but when it comes to keeping the D-line at bay they struggle consistently. I'm sure im wrong but as an avid audience participant this is what i see. It would be very easy to argue my opinion because so many professionals praise the Steelers O-line or atleast used to. However, when been has to elude a sack almost directly off the snap i believe the problem with the O-line becomes blatantly obvious.

Everybody knows the O-line is below standards this year. That's no secret. Ben just had a bad game against the Giants, just like every good QB in the league does about 2 or 3 times a year. I give him a pass this time. He made a few mistakes against a ferocious defense without his #1 WR and #1 RB, so relax.

Ben and the O-line would have never even been in that position if McFadden and Clark were in there. Yeah I know every team has injuries so spare me...but on that 4th and 6 lob-pass to Toomer for 30 yards, Gay and Carter were on the coverage. Heck, even Gay and Carter were only 1/2 second late. I find it near impossible to believe that both McFadden and Clark wouldn't have made it to the ball. I'm not playing woulda/coulda/shoulda because I've accepted the loss, but I'm just saying how invaluable McFadden and Clark are to that defense, especially since everybody salivates over Polamalu.

McFadden won't be back until the late-November playoff push but Clark may play sooner despite the bum shoulder.

Originally posted by Smasandian
sacks as a statistic is less meaningless than a QB hurry, knocked down or tipped pass.

Here's the thing with Ben: He KNOWS he's going to get sacked. The hit-to-fumble ratio for him has got to be microscopic. When you think about it, it's actually a blessing in disguise for him to always expect the pressure. Week after week I see NFL QB's completely oblivious to the pass rush, which often ends up in an unexpected fumble, often returned for 6.