Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Do you not get it from his stand point or from the Eagles?
Either. Garcia asked for his release from the Raiders because he wanted to start. So unless he starts a game or 2 then when hes back to backup duty plans to get released again I don't get it.
From the Eagles stand point if they did not think Kolb or Vick were capable of starting should McNabb get hurt then why the hell did they go into the season with them as their #2 and #3? They also claim McNabb is ok and should play next week which seems like a load now.
Originally posted by forumcrewWell, I don't really see him starting anywhere. At least this way, he can go to a system he knows, and start for a game or two before he leaves.
Either. Garcia asked for his release from the Raiders because he wanted to start. So unless he starts a game or 2 then when hes back to backup duty plans to get released again I don't get it.From the Eagles stand point if they did not think Kolb or Vick were capable of starting should McNabb get hurt then why the hell did they go into the season with them as their #2 and #3? They also claim McNabb is ok and should play next week which seems like a load now.
Well, Vick can't play this week...and Kolb sucks, so that kind of threw a monkey wrench into their plans.
Originally posted by Smasandian
If the Bears had Orton as the QB for that game, well, it would of been a lot worst.Orton does not make that pass to Hester and that 50 yard bomb to that new guy. Before we label him as shit, let's give him 8 weeks first because what I saw was receivers playing like shit.
Orton doesn't throw 4 interceptions...
And the Bears probably win.
Top 5 WR
1. Owens/Moss
2. Moss/Owens
3. Fitzgerald
4. Smith
5. Marshall
He made Cutler look all world at times. Just like Owens turned Garcia into a Pro Bowl QB. Cutler is unlikely to make the pro bowl again, or throw for 4000 yards without a receiver that is going to bail him out or a line that will give him all to throw. He's got the strong arm, but he will all of a sudden become less accurate and throw more interceptions.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Negative on both accounts. All time, however, they are top ten, they're just not top 5 in the game right now. Or, at least, Randy Moss isn't in the top 2 right now.[b]
No Andre Johnson?
Andre Johnson has done what exactly to warrant being in the top 5 over Owens, Moss, Smith, Fitzgerald or Marshall? Marshall/Andre Johnson may be interchangeable, but I would take Marshall over him every day.
And unless you think Moss has loss something since he scored 23 TD's in '07-'08, then he's either #1 or #2.
Moss/Owens are 1A and 1B until they either lose something or a receiver looks more dominant than they have. Owens scored 15 TD's in 07-08 and Moss scored 23, neither have lost anything since as they both are still two of the fastest and most dominant receivers in the league.
Originally posted by Lord EvolutionUm...lead the league in receptions and yards?
Andre Johnson has done what exactly to warrant being in the top 5 over Owens, Moss, Smith, Fitzgerald or Marshall?
[b]And unless you think Moss has loss something since he scored 23 TD's in '07-'08, then he's either #1 or #2.So I guess having a hall of fame qb means nothing to you, eh?
Owens scored 15 TD's in 07-08Okay, and what about last season, you know, a year after the one you referenced. Remeber what he did then? Oh, right, have less tds...right, but he hasn't lost anything. Keep thinking that.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Um...lead the league in receptions and yards?So I guess having a hall of fame qb means nothing to you, eh?
Okay, and what about last season, you know, a year after the one you referenced. Remeber what he did then? Oh, right, have less tds...right, but he hasn't lost anything. Keep thinking that.
One year leading the league in receptions and yards does not make you top 5 and it doesn't mean you are currently better than players who have consistently been at or near the top. Smith, Owens and Moss. If you want to say he's better than Fitz or Marshall, that's fine with me. But until he does what he did last on a consistent basis, and Owens and Moss deteriorate to the point where they are no longer two of the best, then I can't put him ahead of them. They have been dominant for a very long time and still look like their 07-08 selves.
Romo missed some games last season where T.O. had to play with the terrible Brad Johnson/Brooks Bollinger and Brady missed the entire season. I went back to the season where both their QB's were healthy for the entire season. Neither has lost anything since.
Moss was a hall of famer before he even joined the Patriots.
Orton may not throw 4 INT's (even though 2 of those INT's could be from the lack of experience from the WR), but he doesn't throw the pass to Hester or the rookie WR to get any points for the Bears.
He could barely play against the Bengals, let alone the Packers and he needed an extremely fluky tip and catch by Stokley to get over 200 hundred yards and you can say that he has much better WR's in Denver than Cutler has in Chicago.
Nobody in the right mind would take Orton over Cutler.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Nobody in the right mind would take Orton over Cutler.
Think who you are talking to.
Well the Bills better win this or I see someone crying about not getting the ball. Think belichick is wishing he decided to kick a few FG's in thie game instead of just handing i over on 4th down?
Originally posted by Smasandian
Orton may not throw 4 INT's (even though 2 of those INT's could be from the lack of experience from the WR), but he doesn't throw the pass to Hester or the rookie WR to get any points for the Bears.He could barely play against the Bengals, let alone the Packers and he needed an extremely fluky tip and catch by Stokley to get over 200 hundred yards and you can say that he has much better WR's in Denver than Cutler has in Chicago.
Nobody in the right mind would take Orton over Cutler.
Would love to see where I said I would take Orton over Cutler.
Orton wouldn't have ****ed the Bears chances over by throwing 4 interceptions. They would have most definitely won if Orton were QB, but that's not to say he's the better QB. He just takes care of the ball more, and that's exactly what the Bears needed. Cutler will have to figure out that he has a good defense and doesn't need to sabotage the teams chances by trying to put it all on his arm.
Originally posted by SmasandianDon't know man, its not looking too good for them.
Nah, the Pats will win.It's just a matter of time. Somehow, the Pats always seem to get a easy matchup whenever they need it. The Steelers get the Titans while the Pats get the Bills.
Man, if they were playing a damn good team, they would definitely lose.