Darth Bandon vs. Asaaj Ventress

"There he embraced the dark side and the way of the Sith with every fiber of his being. His great strength in the Force, his natural cruelty and his absolute ruthlessness in his quest for power soon set him apart from his fellow students, and drew the calculating eye of Lord Malak himself."

"Many Jedi fell beneath the blade of his lightsaber. Some in the Sith hierarchy wondered if Bandon would someday rise to challenge Malak for the mantle of Dark Lord..."

This is as strong as an argument as you will get for Bandon, and I don't personally believe that puts him above Asaaj.

So... people thought Bandon had a chance against Malak?

Hell, that alone could put him above Asajj.

Did you miss the word "someday"?

Asaaj has shown us more than Bandon.

Obviously. We've seen alot more of her.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
What bullshit. You're completely pimpslapping Logic here.

This quote sums up the crap that came from your fingers:

"Bandon has awesome Combat Skills because Malak picked him as an apprentice."

^ Is that your PROOF? That's laughable.

Malak could have chose Bandon for his Force skills, Intelligence or Tactics. Malak choosing Bandon as an apprentice doesn't mean he's good at combat skills. When have you seen him good at Combat skills? He got smashed by Revan and Force pushed one guard, which didn't make him look too tough.

I think your missing something here. He had an entire ACADEMY full of dark Jedi. If he wanted somebody for their tactical skills, HE DOES NOT necessarily have to make them his apprentice. That position warrants somebody of high force potential and skill.

Being handpicked and trained by the dark lord himself, means Bandon's dark Jedi skills were obvious. If he wanted someone who was intelligent or tactical by his side, he had Saul Karath.

Here is a quote

In the tradition of their order, Malak sought a single pupil from among his many followers to become his chosen apprentice: one who could learn the terrible secrets of the Sith and use them to destroy the Jedi and the Republic.

Darth Bandon proved himself to be an excellent choice. Many Jedi fell beneath the blade of his lightsaber. Some in the Sith hierarchy wondered if Bandon would someday rise to challenge Malak for the mantle of Dark Lord, for that was the way of the Sith: the strong must rule, and when the apprentice surpasses the Master, the Master must fall.

Where on earth does it say anything about tactical skill or awe inspiring intelligence? You have brought forth an assumption however you have not proven it.

Being defeated by Revan and company is not necessarily a bad thing. Revan was a powerful Jedi, and he also required the aid of two other companions at the time to take down Bandon.

Assajj was Dooku's disposable PWN.

Not an Academy, and entire Order.

Lol, what I meant

Originally posted by zephiel7
Being defeated by Revan and company is not necessarily a bad thing. Revan was a powerful Jedi, and he also required the aid of two other companions at the time to take down Bandon.

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
While I agree that being defeated by Revan is not a black mark. You assume that Revan needed help to defeat Bandon. Realisticly the other two party members would have taken on the other two lesser Sith while Revan would have taken on Bandon. Saying that Revan needed help is like saying Bandon is stronger than Revan.

Well Revan WAS memory wiped. He hardly remembered his lightsaber forms or force skills at the time. At that point, Bandon who had trained for a long period of time may have been equal to Revan.

I don't know, until somebody publishes some stats for Bandon versus Revan, impossible to find out.

Originally posted by Faunus
Sorgo and Motoko put it nicely. I'm going with Asajj on this one.

Co-signed.

Originally posted by zephiel7
[B]I think your missing something here. He had an entire ACADEMY full of dark Jedi. If he wanted somebody for their tactical skills, HE DOES NOT necessarily have to make them his apprentice. That position warrants somebody of high force potential and skill.

Being handpicked and trained by the dark lord himself, means Bandon's dark Jedi skills were obvious. If he wanted someone who was intelligent or tactical by his side, he had Saul Karath.

So what if he was handpicked! That doesn't mean he was the best. He proved to fail, so he wasn't the best. We know that much already.

If he was any good, he would have done more than push a guard across a room.

And what ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

So, Bandon could not have been tactical or intelligent in order to be Malaks apprentice?

Karath was an admiral. He had to be strategic and deploy soldiers and destroy opposing fleets. He's irrelevant.

Bandon needed to be tactful and intelligent on the COMBAT GROUNDS, dude.

Tactics and Intelligence isn't just utilized with Admirals or commanders.

Jesus H. Christ.

Where on earth does it say anything about tactical skill or awe inspiring intelligence? You have brought forth an assumption however you have not proven it.

Being defeated by Revan and company is not necessarily a bad thing. Revan was a powerful Jedi, and he also required the aid of two other companions at the time to take down Bandon.

Assajj was Dooku's disposable PWN.

Are you on crack?

Bandon had more "buddies" with him than Revan did. Hell, how is it canon that Revan had a party with him? I didn't see that anywhere.

For all you know, Revan walked up to him and his friends alone and wiped the floor with them.

Who's making assumptions now? Hypocrite.

Maybe Malak was so sick of horrible sith that he would train the worst for himself, we dont know, this thread doesnt have in depth characters

Originally posted by Antediluvian
So what if he was handpicked! That doesn't mean he was the best. He proved to fail, so he wasn't the best. We know that much already.

If he was any good, he would have done more than push a guard across a room.

And what ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

So, Bandon could not have been tactical or intelligent in order to be Malaks apprentice?

Karath was an admiral. He had to be strategic and deploy soldiers and destroy opposing fleets. He's irrelevant.

Bandon needed to be tactful and intelligent on the COMBAT GROUNDS, dude.

Tactics and Intelligence isn't just utilized with Admirals or commanders.

Jesus H. Christ.

Are you on crack?

Bandon had more "buddies" with him than Revan did. Hell, how is it canon that Revan had a party with him? I didn't see that anywhere.

For all you know, Revan walked up to him and his friends alone and wiped the floor with them.

Who's making assumptions now? Hypocrite.

1. Have you not read the quote. It explains that Bandon was highly regarded for his saber skills, felling "many Jedi." Even if he fell to Revan, read my post. Being defeated by Revan is no shame to his dark Jedi skills. Assajj would probably have been WTFpwned. Revan had companions too.

2. As for Bandon's intelligence, again if it serves him well in battle, thats another thing he has going over Assajj. It relates to his combat abilities, which gives him an advantage over Assajj who is simply "ME ANGRY ME SMASH"

Anyways we have little evidence supporting the fact that Malak chose Bandon due to his intelligence. Here is a quote

"His great strength in the Force, his natural cruelty and his absolute ruthlessness in his quest for power soon set him apart from his fellow students, and drew the calculating eye of Lord Malak himself"

Does it say anything about tactical ability or chosen due to his intelligence and impressive strategies? Nope it doesn't, an assumption on your part that has nill proof backing it up.

3. Took more than just Revan to take him out. Well lets see:

"Bandon was killed by agents of the Republic searching for the location of Darth Malak's secret source of power"

So we know that Revan didn't just leap in their and comence with the PWNage. Agents is plural; he had help. Again my point backed up while you continue with assumptions that remain unproven. Prove to me that Revan wiped the floor with Bandon on his own, whilst he was memory wiped.

Also according to my memory, Bandon only had TWO people with him. Again, hyperbole on your part in attempt to dismiss Bandon's abilities.

Revan isn't incredible, i mean he couldn't even sense betrayal much less danger or he wouldv'e gotten off the ship

Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
Revan isn't incredible, i mean he couldn't even sense betrayal much less danger or he wouldv'e gotten off the ship

Completely untrue. So your saying Sidious, Exar Kun, and Revan are useless because they could not sense the betrayal of their apprentices.

Yeah, Revan is good and all, but he isn't uber.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Yeah, Revan is good and all, but he isn't uber.

Originally posted by zephiel7
1. Have you not read the quote. It explains that Bandon was highly regarded for his saber skills, felling "many Jedi." Even if he fell to Revan, read my post. Being defeated by Revan is no shame to his dark Jedi skills. Assajj would probably have been WTFpwned. Revan had companions too.

2. As for Bandon's intelligence, again if it serves him well in battle, thats another thing he has going over Assajj. It relates to his combat abilities, which gives him an advantage over Assajj who is simply "ME ANGRY ME SMASH"

1) And Asajj has been shown on panel ''felling many Jedi.''

We have this, this, this, this, this, and some notable Force mastery, among other things. When you can show me evidence of Bandon unleashing the ownage like this, come back.

2) Intelligence? What intelligence? We've seen him fight Trask, then get owned by Revan. If he'd had such admirable mental aptitude, he'd have brought a few dozen Dark Jedi as opposed to. . . two.

And ''me angry me smash''? Your understanding and knowledge base regarding Asajj is truly pathetic.

3. Took more than just Revan to take him out. Well lets see:

So we know that Revan didn't just leap in their and comence with the PWNage. Agents is plural; he had help. Again my point backed up while you continue with assumptions that remain unproven. Prove to me that Revan wiped the floor with Bandon on his own, whilst he was memory wiped.

Plural, yeah, but tell me how much help he had. Revan may have only had Carth with him. Bandon, at the very least, had two renegade Jedi at his side. And he still lost to a mind-wiped, amnesiac Revan.

Also according to my memory, Bandon only had TWO people with him. Again, hyperbole on your part in attempt to dismiss Bandon's abilities.

Hyperbole? Hyperbole? You can't seriously be attempting to accuse someone else of downplaying a character's abilities when your argument against Asajj was ''me angry me smash.''

Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
Revan isn't incredible, i mean he couldn't even sense betrayal much less danger or he wouldv'e gotten off the ship

Malak's move was spur of the moment as they come