crno can stop time. the mere stepping on the earth of aion makes global catastrophes apear{im not just talkin about the anime, also the manga where their powers are more explicitly explained} both crno and aion are half sons of pandemonium, the ruler of hell. and aion almost succeded in dethroning god.{i think i said no fanboyism, surfer is weak against mystic power}
and going back in time n killing sum1 is PIS in surfer{i know that being a surfer fan} and crnon has better timr control.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Strange directly channels Shabby and one-shots Lina. Or he channels Ceipheid, or steals Lina's power, or steals her soul, time stops her, etc, etc, etc. There's a reason why the comic vs. forum gives Dr. Strange good odds at soloing the JLA. ✅
What system of mysticism does strange use, because he's damn uber!
Slayers uses the Kabbalah like most anime.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
crno can stop time. the mere stepping on the earth of aion makes global catastrophes apear{im not just talkin about the anime, also the manga where their powers are more explicitly explained} both crno and aion are half sons of pandemonium, the ruler of hell. and aion almost succeded in dethroning god.{i think i said no fanboyism, surfer is weak against mystic power}
But surfer can redirect energy or drain aions energy, plus his durability is way too high.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and going back in time n killing sum1 is PIS in surfer{i know that being a surfer fan} and crnon has better timr control.
With surfers speed I doubt it was PIS.
strange has various artifacts belonging to mystical beings and demons{who either get their power from vishanti, the realm of order and chaos or their own dimension} like the eye of aggomato giving insight into soul, fate and illusion casting. the cloack of levitation of the demon zom, givin flight, protection in space and general shielding etc among others and sumtimes beyod lightspeed travel and teleportation. the crymson gems of cuttorak, devestating mystic blasts, dimensional shifts, trapping, used as shield or weapons,and lotsa other abstract powers. book of magic, great raw mystical power and many spells and devine protection. he also has many other things like his clothes , the septar of seth and countless otherswhich are mystical and have their own powers. he can also take power directly from the eternal vishaantis{abstracts} and the realm of order and chaos
Originally posted by leonheartmm
strange has various artifacts belonging to mystical beings and demons{who either get their power from vishanti, the realm of order and chaos or their own dimension} like the eye of aggomato giving insight into soul, fate and illusion casting. the cloack of levitation of the demon zom, givin flight, protection in space and general shielding etc among others and sumtimes beyod lightspeed travel and teleportation. the crymson gems of cuttorak, devestating mystic blasts, dimensional shifts, trapping, used as shield or weapons,and lotsa other abstract powers. book of magic, great raw mystical power and many spells and devine protection. he also has many other things like his clothes , the septar of seth and countless otherswhich are mystical and have their own powers. he can also take power directly from the eternal vishaantis{abstracts} and the realm of order and chaos
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But surfer can redirect energy or drain aions energy, plus his durability is way too high.With surfers speed I doubt it was PIS.
not really his durability is high against normal physical or energ attacks{as he can even fight when vapourised sumtimes} however againsyt MYSTICAL power, hes completely velneurable, as proven when a single smack from mlijnor made him BLEAD{which wud not be thought possible for a character with full control of his molecules} . surfer cant handle, absorb or redirect mystical energy. he can do it with physical, prtially with psychih and compareable cosmic power.
and his speed is beyond lightspeed only in hyperspace officially n thas because even though time warping feats exist, theyr normally retconned or not mentioned as they become paradoxical and make the character god practically and are PIS{just like precrisis superman, if anything bad happens just go back in time and kill the one responsible before they are born, eg galactus etc. and since surfer hasnt done it with those kinda beings, and the publishers desist from mentionining them, iyts safe to say that unless its ythe illicit power of a character to control time, time travel for fights is considered PIS.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
not really his durability is high against normal physical or energ attacks{as he can even fight when vapourised sumtimes} however againsyt MYSTICAL power, hes completely velneurable, as proven when a single smack from mlijnor made him BLEAD{which wud not be thought possible for a character with full control of his molecules} . surfer cant handle, absorb or redirect mystical energy. he can do it with physical, prtially with psychih and compareable cosmic power.
He maybe vulnerable to it, but what proof can you offer that proves aion has energy on par with mjnor(However it's spelled)?
Plus, what's stopping him from absorbing Aions power, were talking about a guy who can absorb near infinite amount of energy ( yeah, I know it's hyperbole):
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5397085
well even when they didnt have their horns{power source} and crno only started to show his desire to actually fight, the fight between these two leveled chicago in a couple of seconds. also crno's horn even when in the control of a non demon simple GAVE out so much excess energy that a mystical seal destroyed the church and froze time in the surrounding area for all eternity unless an equally powerful mystical source intervined. also aion's power and miasma are so "cursed" that the very presence of his SHADOW{created on moment's noticeby aion} on earth brought global catastrophes like the falling of fire rocks stained with blood, raising of dead, sumbolic burning of 1/3rd the earth as joshua put it. also, in pandemoniums realms{hell} crnon killed over a billion demons single handedly and aion and crno forsake heaven's grace and killed and took the head of the ruler of hell, the fallenb angel pandemonium causing an imbalance in the power of heaven and hell. aion is an immortal demon born from lust{the alpah and omega} beginning and end and both him n crno are the half sons of pandemonium and aion plans to recreates "creation" by killing god and challenging heaven.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
well even when they didnt have their horns{power source} and crno only started to show his desire to actually fight, the fight between these two leveled chicago in a couple of seconds. also crno's horn even when in the control of a non demon simple GAVE out so much excess energy that a mystical seal destroyed the church and froze time in the surrounding area for all eternity unless an equally powerful mystical source intervined. also aion's power and miasma are so "cursed" that the very presence of his SHADOW{created on moment's noticeby aion} on earth brought global catastrophes like the falling of fire rocks stained with blood, raising of dead, sumbolic burning of 1/3rd the earth as joshua put it. also, in pandemoniums realms{hell} crnon killed over a billion demons single handedly and aion and crno forsake heaven's grace and killed and took the head of the ruler of hell, the fallenb angel pandemonium causing an imbalance in the power of heaven and hell. aion is an immortal demon born from lust{the alpah and omega} beginning and end and both him n crno are the half sons of pandemonium and aion plans to recreates "creation" by killing god and challenging heaven.
Here Surfer fights morg and The energy released from the battle was enough to wreck the planet and surrounding satellites. Neither Surfer nor Morg were trying to damage the planet it was simply a side-effect of their fight.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5694029
Originally posted by leonheartmm
anyway, as i said, surfer cant absorb or control MYSTICAL power. its beyond his ability or makeup to do so. his speciality is physical energy, cosmic power and to a degree, psychic power, not mystic power.
Anyway, doesn't matter Aions not dishing out anything surfer has not dealt with. Surfer alonne whips him 10/10
surfer fighting morg was a dufferent writer and PIS as morg had the water s of life. its often the desire of writers to make surfer come out the victor that leads to PIS. for instance theoretically if u look at the fact that surfer can survive in the heart of a supernova, ur implying{scientificall} that he can take enough energy that could destroy a planet thousands of time larger than jupiter every second without even thinking about it! but at the same time a single slap from dracula or a single shot form mlijnor are enough to topple him. now going by reason if that were true than that means dracula's slap should have the power to destroty solar systems! {same goes for normal thor} but that is obvioulsy stupid. we should understand the symbolism in comics and not take the {surviving in the heart of supernovas symbology} words as literal, just representation of poeple trying to make a story.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
surfer fighting morg was a dufferent writer and PIS as morg had the water s of life. its often the desire of writers to make surfer come out the victor that leads to PIS. for instance theoretically if u look at the fact that surfer can survive in the heart of a supernova, ur implying{scientificall} that he can take enough energy that could destroy a planet thousands of time larger than jupiter every second without even thinking about it! but at the same time a single slap from dracula or a single shot form mlijnor are enough to topple him.
Dracula stuffing Surfer is PIS not the other way around, and being hurt by mjnor doesn't make you weak at all. The fact is Surfers Body has been stated to near indestructable in his profile. He's consistently survived attacks from power houses like : Hulk, Iron-Man, Namor, etc
The forces binding together the molecules making up the silvery material that composes the Silver Surfer's "skin" are so great that there are few known forces in the universe great enough to overcome them. The inner portions of his body have also been made highly resistant to injury. Thus, the Surfer is invulnerable to most forms of physical harm. He can withstand great extremes of temperature caused by the build-up of friction within atmospheres or the vacuum of space or (within limits) the intense heat within the near vicinity of stars. He can survive without difficulties in the vacuum of outer space and hyperspace, and his body can withstand the stresses of travel at near-light speeds in this universe and of even greater speeds, in hyperspace
His body is capable of surviving the vacuum of space and stars:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/solar2.jpg
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5671022
hulk, iron man, namor< crno or aion. and i already explained the limit of this durability as the HEARTS of supernovae are not really as powerful in marvel as the hearts of supernovae in the real world. not even close. or else every time mlijnor impacted with sumthing, it wud be destroying solar systems. ive already been through all there is to know about surfer, feats etc, extensive knowledge of that kinda stuff so no need to tell me.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
hulk, iron man, namor< crno or aion.
I have never seen Aion or Chrono demonstrate more raw power than Hulk. I own a bulk of the manga so, I should know.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and i already explained the limit of this durability as the HEARTS of supernovae are not really as powerful in marvel as the hearts of supernovae in the real world. not even close. or else every time mlijnor impacted with sumthing, it wud be destroying solar systems. ive already been through all there is to know about surfer, feats etc, extensive knowledge of that kinda stuff so no need to tell me.
Again, he's only weak agains't mjnor because of the mysitical properties otherwise he would eat it's hits like he consistently done so. Also, destructive power is not equal to damage. A bullet is a perfect example of this.
Chousin Vs Strange
Choushin
CHOUSHIN SUMMARYIn the beginning mists of time, billions of years ago, there existed the Choushin, the Three Sisters -- who pretty much sat above multi-dimensional space and watched it evolving. Washu-kami, Tsunami-kami, and Tokimi-kami could see anything and everything, affecting it directly, rearranging whole swaths of it to suit themselves, and just generally letting the universe steam-roll along at its own pace.
However, over the eons they became aware of contradictions, irregularities that defied logic, which led them to speculate that there may be even greater beings than themselves. So, they spent more eons performing gedanken-experimente, literally "thought experiments", to discover clues about these higher powers. And these exercises proved fruitless.
So they changed tactics. They began a search of the universe looking for clues, or favorable conditions, that through random chance would eventually produce sapients -- "avatars" -- harboring nascent links -- "anomalies" -- to higher dimensions. But, to activate the anomaly, the avatar would have to put in deadly peril, so that at the point of death the barriers would dissolve and the anomaly would rise to the surface. There was a catch, however: at the death of the avatar, the anomaly would be extinguished, and though the avatar could be resurrected, the anomaly could not. Thus, a narrow window of opportunity was defined.
Their efforts led to them our galaxy, which at the time was dominated by the pre-Juraian precursor civilization (whose artifacts would one day be inherited by Airai). The conditions detected by the Choushin were just in the initial stages, so they decided to wait and observe, allowing time to pass naturally, probably in a state of "sleep" or "dormancy" in subspace.
During this period of time the precursor civilization became aware of the Choushin. They achieved contact with Washu-kami, whom they coaxed into 3-D space where she assumed the human form of Washu-san (albeit as the 1000-ft-high giant that we see during ep 19), and who later transferred most of her essence into the three gems and made these available to the scientists/politicians/priests of the society. It must have been immensely successful, because these mortals got greedy and devised a way to lure her into a moon-sized containment facility and trapped her there, keeping her dormant. Over ensuing decades, the physical form of the goddess provided sufficient material for her to be cloned, and three attempts were made: the bioroids dubbed A, B, and C. Each was given one of the gems, and motivated/manipulated to do the bidding of the bureaucracy. Unfortunately, bioroid C fell in love with a mortal, which corrupted her programming, and she escaped. The other two clones were sent after her, and C was killed in the inevitable confrontation. C's death scream woke Tsunami-kami, and the precursor civilization became suddenly extinct. Washu-san remained in the confinement facility until it decayed some centuries later, and she escaped, retrieving her three gems from Tsunami-kami.
The Choushin re-evaluated their plans at this point, probably aware for the first time how they could pro-actively affect the dominant life forms in this galaxy, and decided to take the direct approach. Therefore, each celestial chose a different path to the same goal:
* Washu-kami determined that she would clear the board completely and begin acquiring knowledge from a human perspective. That way, she would be able to monitor humanity as a whole, from the inside. So, she erased her memory and became the infant Washu-chan (though it's never stated specifically, she probably assimilated with an existing child), where she and her gems were found near an orphanage. With her own phenomenal intellect, and the three gems as a source of power (and the occasional reminder to "stay the course"😉. She attempted to create her own monitors/assistants, in the form of Kagato/Souja and later Ryoko/Ryo-ohki.
* Tsunami-kami decided to stay with the "trace" she had been following (the Juraian Imperial Family), attempting to genetically breed an avatar. Ultimately, this approach was the most successful. She crafted monitors/assistants in the form of the Royal Trees, which she distributed among members of the pedigreed bloodline.
* Tokimi-kami stuck to the original plan, but modified it a bit: she would induce catastrophe and destruction on a wide scale (they were little better than insects, after all...), calculating that sooner-or-later an avatar would appear among the swarms of life forms being extinguished. This method did eventually produce an anomaly, but not the desired result. She retained the original monitors/assistants employed during the earlier phases of their efforts.
Since Washu-kami and Tsunami-kami chose to "muddle about" in the 3-D realm, they agreed to let Tokimi-kami bind their powers to prevent them from disturbing the natural environment.
And so the experiment proceeded; the centuries trickled past, until finally....* Z was the first instance. The attack vessel he was piloting was surrounded and destroyed, with him trapped in the wreckage. At the point of expiration, the anomaly manifested and his five LHW were generated for the first time. Delighted, Tokimi-kami appeared and "harvested" him. And, while his anomaly was not the expected gateway to the highest realm, it was vindication that the theory was sound. Z reluctantly consented to Tokimi-kami's service, vowing to destroy any further anomalies that he encountered as revenge for the terrible loss of life that his appearance had cost...and, in the process, sparing any further avatars from suffering the hideous trauma and guilt that had been inflicted upon him.
* Sasami was the second instance, as she fell several stories from an elevated platform in the Royal Arboretum (during Ryoko's attack on planet Jurai). She was terminally injured, but she carried a form of anomaly as well, which Tsunami-kami recognized and activated by assimilating with her. Thus, Sasami was spared from death, and Tsunami-kami had her first success. However, due to the assimilation, the two personalities would begin to affect each other. The child's human qualities (her emotions) had now been introduced into the celestial for the first time. Tsunami-kami would never be the same again.
* Tenchi was the third instance, and the actual culmination of the experiment. Fate began to draw the agents and familiars of the Choushin to him, and all recognized (in one manner or another) the tremendous potentials he represented. During his second confrontation with Kagato, Tenchi was mortally wounded aboard the Tree Ship Ryu-oh-fune, and one of the dying acts of Royal Tree Ryu-oh-ki was to protect Tenchi's shattered body with protective sap from its branches. That was enough to delay death until the AI units Azaka and Kamidake arrived and sealed him in a stassis field. At the very point of death, Tsunami-kami arrived and regenerated his corpus, in the process "nudging" the anomaly buried within him. And when the anomaly did manifest, Kagato and the Souja died, Washu-chan was freed, and the universe witnessed Material Conversion for the very first time. The Choushin now had their proof!
But: Tenchi was still immature. The anomaly within him seemed reluctant to manifest, only appearing and "taking control" when the boy is in dire straights. It is apparent to Tsunami-kami and Washu-kami that Tenchi must mature naturally, that the anomaly must be allowed to grow and develop at its own pace -- a process that could take tens of thousands of years (which is nothing to a creature that normally lives billions of years, or even to the galactic humans and their life-extension technology). They would watch over the boy, protect him, and in the mean time allow the human qualities they had been absorbing to teach them a few human concepts...like love. Tsunami-kami and Washu-kami, through their 3-D human extensions Sasami and Washu-chan, are in love with Tenchi (Washu-chan has been there before, and while a bit hesitant to repeat it, is nonetheless ready to follow the cycle to it's conclusion; Sasami is a child, but has already started menstruating and knows full well where the cycle is leading).
However, nothing ever really goes as planned. Tokimi-kami has been watching from a distance, and so performs two acts to insert herself into the proceedings....
(1) Tokimi-kami directs Z to monitor activities at the Masaki household, with explicit instructions to leave Tenchi alone. And Z, of course, discovers that Tenchi bears an anomaly that behaves similarly to his own. So it is no surprise that Z begins plotting to exact his revenge via the Earthling boy.
(2) Tokimi-kami, too, has acquired a human extension (possibly modeled after the actions of Washu-kami): she has assimilated with an orphan girl, Noike by name, who would be raised in an orphanage and later adopted into House Kamiki. Tokimi-kami arranges to have Noike inserted into the Masaki household, where she can keep an eye on the fledgling anomaly as well as on her untrustworthy servant, Z.
Events unfold...Z tries to get Tenchi killed through human agents (i.e., Kuramitsu Misao and company), which fails miserably. With no other back-up plan available, Z decides to do the job directly and suffer whatever consequences are heaped upon him. And he does so fully expecting that the Choushin will take pity on the Earthling and resurrect him, as well as restoring the damage done to the immediate vicinity. As we've seen, he suffered the same shocked surprise that Kagato did when Tenchi's anomaly decided to appear and take matters at hand.
