Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Alucard maybe
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
kenshin or mr. one(one piece)
Mr 1 might do it.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Who wins in a fight between Karate Kid (DC) and Kenshiro (The Fist of North Star anime/manga)?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Son Goku Vs Karate Kid
Karate Kid kicked so hard he reversed an earthquake. He regularly gives Superboy a run and has actually defeated him once. Karate Kid has also taken on and defeated Daxamites. Daxamites are Superman level.
Karate Kid's martial arts are a huge plot device. It's even an bigger one than magic, adamantium, a green lantern ring, and the quantum bands thrown together. lol
Also, Karate Kid was one of the few people who did not get powered down post-Crisis. Goku is essentially taking on a pre-Crisis DC character and we all know what pre-Crisis DC was like.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Is that why he flew through a moon effortlessly when he wasn't even trying to?Wrong
Wrong again. GT isn't even canon, either.
Wrong yet again.... wherever you "heard" that from was full of shit.
Superman has been clocked at speeds far faster than light, there is no evidence that places DBZ characters at even 1% of lightspeed. Superman can move moons and planets with pure physical strength, Goku had trouble with 40 tons. Superman takes planet - destroying and even supernova - level and galaxy - destroying attacks head - on all the time and keeps coming, not to mention his heat vision is precise and concentrated enough to target individual atoms. After sundipping he was capable of pushing War World back across the solar system, against the power of its engines, which had the full power of Imperiex, who had the power of the Big Bang plus all of the galaxies he had consumed. Not to mention he has T-Vo, which is basically reality - warping.
As for Surfer, he can go back in time and take out people before they even become a threat, move millions of times lightspeed, fly through supernovae and black holes, transmute people and things, turn people into black holes, fly through white holes (which have basically infinite energy), destroys planets as a side - effect of his fights (while DBZ characters going all - out on each other only leave a few craters in a desert area spanning a few hundred kilometers across on one planet), warp space and time, absorb energy and redirect it, regenerate, and in one instance he absorbed an attack that would have destroyed half of the universe and threw it back.
u REALLY dont wanna go up against me considering marvel/dc comics or feats of well known heroes. what u stated was 1- idiotic 2- proves that ur obviously veru confused. ur talking about PRECRISIS superman who was by far the single biggest plot device in comicdom. he could blow away supernova's and galaxies with his breath, travel through time and destroy existances, was immortal, and cud practically do anything in a multiversal level{including faster than light speeds} now POST CRISIS is the superman which is both cannon and is accepted to exist today. in terms of strength he can punch the earth out of orbit, and flew through a moon, DESTROYING IT, only when he found out that lex luthor had become the US president, that was RAGE, at most he can destrouy a small to average sized planet at max normal power. his SPEED, has simply been described at MAX {with cannon feats} to be just below lightspeed, he takes a considerable effort and time to accelerate to that near lightspeed{i do know that due to inconcictancies in comics which are natural he is sumtimes shown to approach it almost immedietly but thats either slight PIS or ignorance on the part of the writer} he has raced against lightspeed flash and always remains JUST SHORT of him in speed, never being able to equal or best him. his heat vision has the concentrated TEMPERATURE{not energy} greater than the heart of a supernova in the smal area that it hits. his vtorquism has at best taken down partially a being that was near thanos power level but that is an inconsistancy. sundipped superman is a lot more powerful than his normal form but nowhere near as powerful as u described, u seem to have the rather amateurish habit of wildly extrapolating from COMIC BOOK FACTS, which is a gross error for any vetertan reader of comic books, that logic doesnt work with comic book facts, normally, u cant say x>y and y>z therefore x must be >z, in comic books, it doesnt work that way , let me elaborate with an example. xorn beats jean, jean control's the phoenix, phoenix once wss shown in a cannon comic to be above the living trobunal, living tribunal was once seen to be above the infinity gauntlett, the infinity gauntlett was shown to be able to destroy the marvel multiverse{all cannon facts} therefore xorn is more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse??????????????/ WRONG. another example, wolverine beat thing once, thing beat wonderwoman once, wonderwoman once destroyed the brain of a celestial and killed it, celestials were once said to be the same power as a full potential franklimn richards., franklin richards at a small fraction of his potential creates universe without even knowing, therefore wolverine is far greater than a multiple universe creating being????????????????? u see. fanboyism can lead to this type of logic. sundipped superman is no greater than thanos or a skyfather at best. and still he cant go faster than light. it takes a seasoned unbiased reader{ahem like myself} to judge average power levels, not extrapolations, or high end feats or obvious PIS to create an uneven and wrong power level of a character. superman for the most part is just under surfer and thor level in terms of power.
as far as surfer goes he is above superman and can destroy large planets with his current upgrades and power level. he can go REALLY FAST, sumtimes thousands of times faster than lightspeed, but he can only do it in HYPERSPACE, which means that he does not have infinite energy as a result of e=mc sguared reletivity as these laws dont exist in hyperspace also in normal space he can go at lightspeed only. he does have the ability to create blackholes but thas more a plot device as they just have a very strong pull like a blackhole but not the other effects of singularities like the absence of time, so it cant be used to say that he has infinite energy. also him PASSING through whiteholes/wormholes or opening them doesnt mean HE possesses infinite energy. it just means that the wormhole, just like the quantum foam that cosists all existance, contains potentially infinite energy. also the fact that he can survive through the heart of supernovae shud not be taken scientifically., otherwise he wud be resisting enough energy to obliterate planets every second or so and that isnt consistant with his other feats and when his defences were cannonly defeated, otherwise, any punch/attack by thor or gladiater that even SLIGHTLY scrathed him wud be enough to destroy stars or perhaps small solar systems just due to the excess energy that it gives off, n thas nonesense and inconsistant. nor can surfer destroy stars OR travel through time. time travel has been excrutiatingluy explained by the creators that its a RELEVANT "PLOT DEVICE" used in certain situations where its necessary, otherwise wudnt u think hed just go back in time, reverse every wrong that happened and stop galactus from ever having matured into a planet destroyer and saved his own planet! needless to say that people who still base their arguments on time travel for surfer/supes dont know much about unbiased energy level debates.
as far as dragon ball z character feats go,. they are far consitant due to much fewer showings and a MUCH less varied universe compared to the marvel universe. u obvioulsy havent seen or read much even of dragon ball z. on namek goku was afraid before creating even a normal ebergy ball thing{ the attack that destroyed frieza's tail and made the others believe that goku had defeated frieza} because they can easily destroy planets if he doesnt control it carefully. and he created one very abnormal one{normal ones consist of the lifeforce from earth while THIS ONE consisted of the lifeforce from the universe!} later frieza destroyed the core of namek{a planet larger than earth} with just a simple energy sphere no larger than a GOLFBALL{so there goes ur argument of the craters being no more than a few or tens of kilometres, its not size, its the amount of energy the user wishes to release with it} this was all pre supersayin, the FIRST time goku transformed into a supersayin, he clearly stated to frieza that even if he cud destroy a planet, he cud not harm him, and frieza when he destroyed the core himself clearly stated that he was using only 10 percent of his normal power. needless to say even at hundred percent the completely inexperienced super sayin goku defeated him while holding back as he was a pacifist. later back on earth the revived frieza came with his father and created on his figer tip, with ease, an attack ten times as strong as the core destroying one on namek. and trunks, in his super sayin form deflected it with a single hand. he went on to kill frieza with ease and his father. when goku showed up later, e was more expirience as a super sayin and easily deflected all of trunk's attacks with a single hand. furthermore, after another year of training in kami's palace's time warping room. goku was able to take on the evolved cell. this was a being with the power of normal/super sayin goku, gohan, vegeta, frieza and the three androids, plus kami/piccalo who was at the time much stronger than a normal super sayin. gohan in his super sayin 2 transformation, TOYED with this potentially planet system destroying being, and killed him. needless to say both goku and gohan are a lot more powerful now. oh hey eve vegeta, presupersayin on namek against vegeta, put all his heart in an attack which vegeta deflected with a single kick which in the words of piccalo wud have destroyed namek and its effects cud be seen in the shock wave in space which was much much larger than planet namek which was seen right beside it. furthermore, goku at his time on the alien planet after they considered him dead following the destruction on namek and lack of breathable air learnt to teleport INSTANTANEOUSLY over extreme terric and even astronomical distances. and just cause u say GT isnt cannon doesnt make it, they are a LOT stronger in gt than in Z. but even if i dont consider gt, dragonball z characters are a LOT stronger than the like of current superman or surfer.
in so far as wolverine goes{although i cant say anythin about his apparent immortality now} hes not on the level of guys like kenshin. his opposition shoul be more like spike spiegal/vicious or the weakest characters from street fighter etc.
also karate kid is being given more than his share of fanboyism. only for a little while at max power can he just beat beings like non angry hulk or thor without mjolnir.
Anybody know of any anime characters that would be a good match for Pre-Crisis Validus?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/449555_1-the-validus-respect-thread
Not someone who would utterly destroy him but someone who could fight evenly with him.
@Inspectah Deck: I would say Crocodile, since he has that poison hook which can dissolve rock. That could do a number on Sandman. Besides, Crocodile is far more intelligent.
@I watch Pokemon: I can't think of any who could match him physically, but perhaps some of the characters from Saint Seiya have enough speed, durability, and versatility to hang in there for a while.
@leonheartmm: Learn to use paragraphs
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Reverse an earthquake, Yujiro Hanma did that by punching the ground.
Originally posted by Kento
😕 I think Shikamaru Nara could beat him.
About Kenshin. I'm sorry, but Kenshin isn't beating Wolverine.