Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThat's a lot of people against two. Unless you're going to count Kazuki, Juubei, Shido, Himiko, and Emishi.
90's X-men/Un-canny X-men Vs Getbackers
Also what's the X-men lineup? Also does Ginji get to become Lightning Lord? Not that Ban would ever allow it in his presence. Then again if it doesn't take place in Infinity Fortress or some place like it I don't think he can do it.
90's X-Men includes like...a whole lot of mutants.
The Getbackers will be dealing with at LEAST Classic Rogue, Storm, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, Gambit, Psylocke, Beast, Forge, Banshee, Havok, Colossus, Iceman, Archangel, Quicksilver, Xavier, Bishop, and even Magneto(if we include AOA).
Oh....and Jubilee...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
90's X-men/Un-canny X-men Vs Getbackers
As much as I love The Getbackers, I think the X-men take the win on this one.Though it would be interesting to watch Storm face off against Ginji.
Ginji Amano vs Storm.One on one, no X-men, no Ban.Which Lightning wielder is stronger?
Storm vs Ginji
Well Ginji absorbs it so hitting him with it would be useless. Electricity also heals him. Unless Storm pulls something else besides that she could also turn him into Lightning Lord and then she's done for easily.
X-Men vs Getbackers
Sadly I think the X-men win though. Numbers plus telepaths. Unless Ban can get them all with his Evil Eye. Though Scott is the only one I know of that his Evil Eye won't affect because he wears glasses or a visor. With Quicksilver gone I say Ban is the quickest and classic Logan is easier to beat then the way he is now.
Telepathy and Scott unable to fall under the Evil Eye for the win. Though without the telepaths I think the Getbackers could win if you count Himiko, Kazuki, Juubei, Emishi, and Shido along with Ban and Ginji.
That would also add Akabane then.
I still think the telepaths would be the problem. Screwing with their minds and all that. Plus I don't know how the Evil Eye would do against psychics.
Rouge and Colossus are stronger but they are easily beat by Evil Eye along with the rest besides Cyclops, and Ban has used it on large groups before.
Cyclops can easily be taken out by Kazuki, Juubei, Akabane or Ban.
I'd like to see Himiko use her perfumes against Logan because I think if he's in his costume it may protect him from the Evil Eye. Heightened smell would get the scent and he's be blazing from the inside or a bunch of other things could happen.
Still I don't see a way around getting past the telepaths.
"Show me one example of Chakra manipulating something on an atomic level.
Go ahead, I'm waiting."
it was able to manipulate wind at a subcellular level, cutting off every nerve specifically in hidan. it is able to control sand at a crystalline level{gaara} it is able to generate magnetic force to control and shape metallic or just plain dust particles, it is able to transmutate cells living matter and mass, it was able to cut through a lightening bolt made up of only electrons. what u shud realize is that matter manipulation is dependant on intermolecular or inyteratomic force manipulation not necessarily manipulating each individual particle, same way it is for new son or graviton. also chakra is MYSTICAL, which is different from just force.
"Now something like cutting through something would mean he is faster then he actually is.
Also Sharigan techniques like Kakashi's and Itachi's > Chidori so still there is no point. Cutting through it and teleporting it are completely different also.
Also yea it says they're unable to control their chakra without a host so Kyuubi shouldn't be that powerful without being in Naruto yet he was able to wipe out a lot of people in Konoha. Which makes me just think that generation was just weaker because they stopped the whole killing and stuff making them weaker. Now take Kyuubi out of Naruto and he's probably suffer the fate that the other demons have. And how was the three tails easier? Gaara was the hardest and he should be the weakest being only one tail. He didn't even use his demon either unlike the cat did.
Also I highly doubt they'd pose much of a threat to Godzilla....unless its the american version"
but he DID cut through it, and he CAN specially because he has the shaaringan, and the body flicker is almost instant teleplortation over short distances so no, he IS that fast. the generation wasnt WEAKER, at all, if u remember the timeline correctly, sandaime hokage was there, urochimaru hadnt left which immedietly implies that jiraya had not left, kakashi wud be there, all the uchiha clan wud be there, etc, they were not weak at ALL.
i agree that shaaringan techniques are better than chidori, so what? the point under discussion was, cud adamantium be DESTROYED{not necessarily broken} and spatial warping WUD destroy it. the three tails was easier because he didnt have a host and cudnt control its enormous chakra. and having seen the japanese version of godzilla, i can say that kyuubi wud kill it easily.
"Next you'll tell me that the Kyuubi can beat Superman. Or that the Kusanagi can cut through Cap's shield. Nothing in the naruto verse can break Adamantium. WHAT PART OF 'INDESTRUCTIBLE', DO YOU NOT UNDERTAND?!
Adamantium has taken shots from Thanos, Apocalypse, Surfer, Sentry, Gladiator, Thor's hammer, Hulk and alot of other things more powerful than anything in the naruto verse.
Now, guys like Apoc, Thanos and others, can matter manipulate adamantium, so yeah, they can bust it. But I have yet to see anyone in the naruto verse display high level matter manipulation. Mangekyo is a dimensional warp, which might work. But that's it. Nothing else is gonna destroy it. "
kyuubi CUD hurt normal superman same waywonderwoman can, his weakness, MYSTIC POWER, and yea his heat vision is the same as amaterasu so u cant say hes more powerful in the energy department, on the other hand, supes being a comic character has high end feats like destroying moons and absorbing galaxy destroying megido warheads so kyuubi loses, but not without a fight.
lol, hulk broke pure adamantium coils, thor HAMMERED caps adamantium/vibranium ALLOY into shape without spacial warping etc after it was deformed by i dunno who, surfer has easily broken things much stronder than adamantium and can vapourize it just by thinking, gladiater is even more powerful than thor and can easily break it, apocalypse dented juggernaut;s armour so dont even think about putting adamantium against him and sentry/thanos, not even a need to go there, theyd blink it out of existance. as a plot device it might take shots but any one of these people can destroy it without effort or a second though, adamntium isnt on the level of durability as the attack power of these character.
conclusion not only can amaterasu, kusanagi, raijin sword, kyuubi destroy adamatium, but many other things can. furthermore, shinobi in the naruto verse dont NEED to destroy it, they can easily surpass its PHYSICAL protection on his bones and still destroy em, any way u look at it, wolverine loses.
in so far as sentry goes, his telepathy was able to make every1 in the previous universe forget his existance, the void can dissolve galaxies, sentry is said to be the strongest superhero ever by the creators, and losing to genis is no big deal, genis has the power of the big bang and was half responsible for killing eternity and destroying the old multiverse, ands starting it again, he has omniversal level telepathy and cosmic awareness and is probably the collest most interetsting character since nate grey or the fallen one. {sentry has the power of a million novae, or so the writers claim}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
but he DID cut through it, and he CAN specially because he has the shaaringan, and the body flicker is almost instant teleplortation over short distances so no, he IS that fast. the generation wasnt WEAKER, at all, if u remember the timeline correctly, sandaime hokage was there, urochimaru hadnt left which immedietly implies that jiraya had not left, kakashi wud be there, all the uchiha clan wud be there, etc, they were not weak at ALL.i agree that shaaringan techniques are better than chidori, so what? the point under discussion was, cud adamantium be DESTROYED{not necessarily broken} and spatial warping WUD destroy it. the three tails was easier because he didnt have a host and cudnt control its enormous chakra. and having seen the japanese version of godzilla, i can say that kyuubi wud kill it easily [/B]
Show me Kakashi cutting through a lightning bolt? He doesn't have the speed to do so. It would be there and gone before he could move even if he could track it with Sharigan. Unless he got lucky and was standing there with it as a lightning bolt struck.
Also Kakashi was a lot younger, Itachi didn't have the Mangekyo Sharigan, and the Uchiha were all beaten easily by Itachi. Also just because Orochimaru would be there doesn't mean Jiraiya or Tsunade hadn't left.
Naruto is also stronger then Kakashi now, Sasuke is stronger, Akatsuki is stronger then the old generation of Konoha. The kids of Konoha are becoming stronger then the adults of Konoha. The generation that fought Kyuubi is weak compared to the people now.
As for Godzilla...He fights things like Kyuubi all the time minus the chakra. Heck he took a suped up Ghidorah's attack and only got a tiny cut in GMK. In Final Wars he took out a lot of giant monsters with ease until he got to King of Dragons and he released him by destroying a large meteor and creating a huge crater from his blast. Then after he got his energy back he took out Ghidorah.
As for Superman being hurt by Kyuubi. Have you ever seen Kyuubi actually use chakra even if it is mystical? Or any demon not in a body? Also Superman is a lot faster then Kyuubi could catch so it would be a pretty easy fight in Superman's favor.
Originally posted by Kento
Show me Kakashi cutting through a lightning bolt? He doesn't have the speed to do so. It would be there and gone before he could move even if he could track it with Sharigan. Unless he got lucky and was standing there with it as a lightning bolt struck.Also Kakashi was a lot younger, Itachi didn't have the Mangekyo Sharigan, and the Uchiha were all beaten easily by Itachi. Also just because Orochimaru would be there doesn't mean Jiraiya or Tsunade hadn't left.
Naruto is also stronger then Kakashi now, Sasuke is stronger, Akatsuki is stronger then the old generation of Konoha. The kids of Konoha are becoming stronger then the adults of Konoha. The generation that fought Kyuubi is weak compared to the people now.
As for Godzilla...He fights things like Kyuubi all the time minus the chakra. Heck he took a suped up Ghidorah's attack and only got a tiny cut in GMK. In Final Wars he took out a lot of giant monsters with ease until he got to King of Dragons and he released him by destroying a large meteor and creating a huge crater from his blast. Then after he got his energy back he took out Ghidorah.
As for Superman being hurt by Kyuubi. Have you ever seen Kyuubi actually use chakra even if it is mystical? Or any demon not in a body? Also Superman is a lot faster then Kyuubi could catch so it would be a pretty easy fight in Superman's favor.
show me yondaime taking the kyuubi's soul out, show me the kyuubi attacking villager other than konohakagura, show me yondaime kazekage being turned into a puppet, show me urochimaru joining akatsuki, show me itachi killing shisui............. these are things which happened in the past and are not shown. only talked about by people, now if u dont believe gai telling chidori;s history then why do u believe the other things? in naruto, kakashi does have the reflexes and physical stregth to pierce and incoming lightening bolt, just like naruto and lee were able to dodge raiga's real lightening{and even though it was the fillers, that mission did take place as told by kishimoto himself so dont just say its non cannon}. also u dont really have to be AS FAST AS LIGHTENING to fully understand that its incoming, lightening can be seen from a few hundred kilometres away as a lightening bolt starts in the upper atmosphere and then comes down and its much less than the speed of light so u can easily SEE it incoming just like u can see a long lightening bolt spreading out without it beeing too fast to percieve, with the shaaringan he can more than easily judge its path and pierce it with chodori. honsetly no1 seems to be making any similar arguments against wolverine, as how can he react faster than nightcrawler's instantaneous teleportation etc which really IS plot induced stupidty as logan is specifically peak human.
and ur forgetting the time line, tsunade had left before,but jiraya was there when urochimaru defected REMEMBER, he told him to reconsider and urochimaru told him how simple he was and that there is a limit to stupidity. the uchiha were the strongest clan known anywhere and they were even more respected and powerful than all the hyuugas and were konoha's nobility, itachi killed them in their sleep with the mangekyo shaaringan and remember, at the time, and to this day, no1 has ever come close to beating itachi, not urochimaru, sasuke, kakashi, guy, sarutobi, rin, etc. in akatsuki , he almost definately has one of the top three spots with the leader, and potentially, with the still unseen member. i have seen the three tail use chakra and move at incredible speeds, ive heard jiraya say the the kyuubiis a yoma with the strongest of chaakras, i ahgree, superman has the advantage in speed, but then again, he has that advantage against thor too, what gives thor the advantage in a fight? his mysical/magical power which can counter even near lightspeed when thor is not seen moving at anywhere close to that speed. kyuubi's chaakra is CURSED, poisonous, wicked, and can affect and contaminate the mind body and soul, and it is constantly given out. it gan give a fair fight to NORMAL superman with both high end AND low end feats considered.
and are u talkin about godzilla in the japanese movies or the comics? either way, a giant crater isnt that much compared to a destroyed moyuntain or tsunami. furthermore, even 1 tailed naruto cud produce craters, mini tsunamis and destroy mountain sides. and remember, a "single" SWING of its tails did all that{ofcourse u cud again deny anything said but factually theres no reason to and thats the best account we have and most accurate}, the kyuubi itself is a much greater monstrosity.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
show me yondaime taking the kyuubi's soul out, show me the kyuubi attacking villager other than konohakagura, show me yondaime kazekage being turned into a puppet, show me urochimaru joining akatsuki, show me itachi killing shisui............. these are things which happened in the past and are not shown. only talked about by people, now if u dont believe gai telling chidori;s history then why do u believe the other things? in naruto, kakashi does have the reflexes and physical stregth to pierce and incoming lightening bolt, just like naruto and lee were able to dodge raiga's real lightening{and even though it was the fillers, that mission did take place as told by kishimoto himself so dont just say its non cannon}. also u dont really have to be AS FAST AS LIGHTENING to fully understand that its incoming, lightening can be seen from a few hundred kilometres away as a lightening bolt starts in the upper atmosphere and then comes down and its much less than the speed of light so u can easily SEE it incoming just like u can see a long lightening bolt spreading out without it beeing too fast to percieve, with the shaaringan he can more than easily judge its path and pierce it with chodori. honsetly no1 seems to be making any similar arguments against wolverine, as how can he react faster than nightcrawler's instantaneous teleportation etc which really IS plot induced stupidty as logan is specifically peak human.and ur forgetting the time line, tsunade had left before,but jiraya was there when urochimaru defected REMEMBER, he told him to reconsider and urochimaru told him how simple he was and that there is a limit to stupidity. the uchiha were the strongest clan known anywhere and they were even more respected and powerful than all the hyuugas and were konoha's nobility, itachi killed them in their sleep with the mangekyo shaaringan and remember, at the time, and to this day, no1 has ever come close to beating itachi, not urochimaru, sasuke, kakashi, guy, sarutobi, rin, etc. in akatsuki , he almost definately has one of the top three spots with the leader, and potentially, with the still unseen member. i have seen the three tail use chakra and move at incredible speeds, ive heard jiraya say the the kyuubiis a yoma with the strongest of chaakras, i ahgree, superman has the advantage in speed, but then again, he has that advantage against thor too, what gives thor the advantage in a fight? his mysical/magical power which can counter even near lightspeed when thor is not seen moving at anywhere close to that speed. kyuubi's chaakra is CURSED, poisonous, wicked, and can affect and contaminate the mind body and soul, and it is constantly given out. it gan give a fair fight to NORMAL superman with both high end AND low end feats considered.
and are u talkin about godzilla in the japanese movies or the comics? either way, a giant crater isnt that much compared to a destroyed moyuntain or tsunami. furthermore, even 1 tailed naruto cud produce craters, mini tsunamis and destroy mountain sides. and remember, a "single" SWING of its tails did all that{ofcourse u cud again deny anything said but factually theres no reason to and thats the best account we have and most accurate}, the kyuubi itself is a much greater monstrosity.
Except there is proof of Kyuubi being sealed in Naruto, Itachi is in Akatsuki so he had to have joined, Kazekage is shown as a puppet, Orochimaru was part of Akatsuki, and shown as part in a flashback. Gai said Kakashi did it but was he there to see it?
As for reacting to Nightcrawler's teleporting..how did he dodge? Did Nightcrawler like port then hit or what?
Also Itachi hasn't done anything without his Sharigan. Gai was actually able to stand against him when he came into Konoha because the Sharigan was useless against him. Barring Itachi using Amaterasu then Gai could win. Itachi is only feared because his Sharigan is powerful.
The three tails...is that the one Tobi fought? Because that is the only tailed-beast I can remember without a host and I don't remember it using chakra at all.
Kyuubi's chakra is cursed sure but the only time it is used is inside Naruto though. Kyuubi was never shown using Chakra during any of the flashbacks. He was just easily beating them by hitting them away and junk.
Also I am talking about the movies. Final Wars and All Out Monster Attack. I've never read the comics. Also making a crater large enough to fit himself into is a big feat specially since he was aiming his blast up also. Also Godzilla destroys moutains with his bare hands just to get through them. Also when did Naruto destroy moutainsides or create tsunami's? Making craters isn't that big when you're throwing somebody into the moutain side either.
Originally posted by Kento
Except there is proof of Kyuubi being sealed in Naruto, Itachi is in Akatsuki so he had to have joined, Kazekage is shown as a puppet, Orochimaru was part of Akatsuki, and shown as part in a flashback. Gai said Kakashi did it but was he there to see it?As for reacting to Nightcrawler's teleporting..how did he dodge? Did Nightcrawler like port then hit or what?
Also Itachi hasn't done anything without his Sharigan. Gai was actually able to stand against him when he came into Konoha because the Sharigan was useless against him. Barring Itachi using Amaterasu then Gai could win. Itachi is only feared because his Sharigan is powerful.
The three tails...is that the one Tobi fought? Because that is the only tailed-beast I can remember without a host and I don't remember it using chakra at all.
Kyuubi's chakra is cursed sure but the only time it is used is inside Naruto though. Kyuubi was never shown using Chakra during any of the flashbacks. He was just easily beating them by hitting them away and junk.
Also I am talking about the movies. Final Wars and All Out Monster Attack. I've never read the comics. Also making a crater large enough to fit himself into is a big feat specially since he was aiming his blast up also. Also Godzilla destroys moutains with his bare hands just to get through them. Also when did Naruto destroy moutainsides or create tsunami's? Making craters isn't that big when you're throwing somebody into the moutain side either.
actually that isnt proof at all, the kyuubi shud be sealed within yondaime. so that makes no sense. the proof for chidori is, both that guy said it, and then verified it when chouji commented: "that sounds so fake" furthermore, its name was lightening edge, and guy was telling why that was. besides, theres no PROOF that yondaime created or cud use the raasengan, shud u then not believe tsunade and jiraya's words?
as far as the nightcrawler thing goes, they were just talkin and discussing his reaction and nightcrawler teleported to see if he cud really keep up and logan had already turned and his claws were inches away from kurt's throat{still and inches away, kept their intentionally} the second he appeared after teleporting.
also the shaaringan of itachi has been shown{normal shaaringan not mangekyo} to put people under genjutsu even with a finger point{verified by itachi} even when itachi is controlling ANOTHER BODY. naruto wasnt looking and he got caught in the genjutsu, guy was referring to KAKASHI'S shaaringan , it wasnt ineffective against him, itachi just didnt use it since he had just used tsukiyoimi on kakashi. itachi isnt just feared because his shaaringan is powerful, he was as far as i know{since we dont know the child history of yondaime or madar} the greatest shinobi prodigy in konoha, he had learnt how to use the third level shaaringan at eight and also was a member of ANBU, which are only the best JOUNIN at age 11 or 12. in the flashbacks, we see that when he slaughtered the uchiha clan, he wasnt using the mangekyo shaaringan or even the shaaringan if memeory serves. he was just standing there , still and as people came to attack and projectiles like kunai and shuriken aproached, they were simply blasted away by chakra, furthermore, neither sarutobi nor kurenai could keep up with his speed of taijutsu. he also deflected a chidori by sasuke with a single hand and was able to cut off urochimaru's hand with his form manipulation. no way can guy beat him even if he isnt using the shaaringan.
yea the three tails is the one diedara fought{and tobi ran from, lol} it was moving at incredible speed inspight of its size and sluggish tortoise like appearance due to its chakra. and either way a SWING OF THE TAILS destroying mountains and creating tsunamis can only happen with chakra.
against his fight with sasuke, {defection pre time skip} in his chakra and one tailes form, naruto created shockwaves that could be easily notcied on the lake and tsunamis in the lake as high as over 2 stories. when naruto in kyuubi chakra{not TAIL} grabbed sasuke in the air and spun him around and launched him at the mountain side, the entire mountain side collapsed, and when sasuke used katon ryukakyu no jutsu, the entire top of the mountain melted away as magma, furthermore, when the chidori and raasengan met in cursed mark 2 sasuke and 1 taled naruto, the resulting energy ball creates a localised cursed storm which the incoming kakashi noted , the energy ball also destroyed a lot of the waterfall. also when naruto was practicing to use the wind element affinity, he split an entire WATERFALL. not to mention, three tailes was basically destroying any structure, rock, buildings, etc, around it. and yeah, the kyuubi, in the flashback DID destroy a mountain using its claws.
and as far as godzilla, im only referring to the FIRST movie, which was the original.