ok.. As always, Luke takes this with relative difficulty, unless of course Sidious gets his force storm to work, in which he'll need to distance himself from Luke and the other two, meaning Luke would tool the two easily and then get swept up in the force storm. Then again if Luke does the distance, he can do some weird black hole manipulation, or fling all 3 to a nearby star.
Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
right, well have you read my anciet fights against Janus, i sware we were rivals from the get go.....but i try not to fight anymore...but the time does come when i may have to step in a shun an idiot much liek you just saw( i hated grammar all my life)
I myself have battled him many times, friend. The battle is never quite over is it ? However, that is the way of things. Its the way of the force.
Originally posted by IKC
[B]Nice job spending half your post on an irrelevant misdirection and proving you don't understand the definition of "potential" either, Nai.Point: Leia, Luke, and unborn Anakin had to use their full potential to defeat Sidious. Understand what that means? They used what power they could have realized to its fullest. In other words, they could never exert more power.
Given that, no matter how much training and knowledge Luke has achieved by DN, it doesn't matter - his full potential alone is not enough to defeat Sidious.
No. The point is that the word "potential" doesn't appear in the DE comics. What is there is Luke saying that Leia should join her Jedi power to his. Since when does "actual power" equal "potential" ? People can only use the part of their potential that they can control. Anything else doesn't make sense.
Chu'unthor - Any living, breathing instructors of lightsaber combat aboard? I thought not. I can learn to fight with a sword from a book, too. Doesn't make me any good. I can learn to fight with a bunch of other neophytes too. Say I kick the shit out of them - does that make me a god of combat? Thought not.
Ah, great. So you can only learn how to use a lightsaber by living and breathing instructors ? I wonder how Nomi Sunrider was able to pick up a lightsaber and handle the weapon like a master instantly - without prior combat experience and without any training. And how was she able to use that weapon later on with only weeks of training ?
Jedi holocrons - Unless they projected living instructors of the weapon (oh, and you'd have to prove what the holocrons contained, by the way. Saying "zOMG HE HAD HOLOCRONS" is not an argument) your point is rather moot.
Oh wait. Jedi Holocrons just contain the interactive, holographic recreation of the Jedi Master who did create them. What is the difference between learning from the interactive image of a Jedi or the living Jedi ? That you can't practice swordfighting against them ?
Ossus - Yeah. "Parts of the library" that got fried by a supernova. "Parts of the library" that was, in its prime, so enormous that the frenzied efforts of hundreds of Jedi to rescue the precious knowledge therein "wasn't enough." Oh, you also run into the problem of proving what he learned from it, again.
And you have forgotten "parts of the library" that were considered to be lost by the PT Jedi order. What exactly Luke found there ? Does that matter ?
Killing the Vong - Again, you only mark this as impressive because other so-called "Jedi" got their shit ruined by them. You've still failed to establish that real (i.e. PT and earlier) Jedi would have similar results.
Lmao. What would PT or ancient Jedi would have done against force immune creatures with lightsaber resistant weapons and armor ? Try to use the force against them and...fail ? Try to use their lightsabers on them and...fail again ?
And what are Luke's students ? "Unreal Jedi" ? You're talking about the people who have proven themselves able to destroy ancient Sith war beasts (Leviathan), deal with Exar Kun's spirit and entire armies of Dark Siders (Shadow Academy, Disciples of Ragnos) ?
Tooled? He tooled Jerec? Yeah. That isn't biased language.Yeah. That somehow means that Kyle "I found a lightsaber in a garage and that makes me a Jedi!" Katarn is great, rather than that Jerec sucked ass.
Great logic again. So for some reason, a trained PT Jedi Master who later joined the Emperor and read his Dark Side Compendium "sucks ass" because he was defeated by someone who didn't have actual training ? Vice versa Nomi Sunrider is allowed to pick up a lightsaber and go and destroy people, handling the weapon like a master without any prior combat experience where Kyle Katarn - who is just one of the best mercenaries in the Galaxy - isn't allowed to do so ?
Oh, right, the same Mara Jade that lost her already-weak Force senses after the Emperor died? The same Mara Jade that was trained as an assassin who rather than a full-fledged lightsaber duelist (indeed, often using other weapons than a lightsaber)? Yeah. She's a shining star of Old Jedi Order combat skills.
"Already weak force senses" ? Great. I wonder how this weak Mara, that was just trained by Sidious from infancy on, was able to defeat Lumiya (a dark side adept trained by Vader) in a lightsaber duel, kill Luuke and Joruus and defeat a Dark Side Kyle Katarn in a lightsaber fight. Because she has no skill with a lightsaber anyway and next to zero force powers ?
Oh, you mean the Kam Solusar who "lacked formal training" under the Old Jedi Order, ran away for thirty years, then came back and was captured and converted by Sedriss? Yeah. Because he had a lot of formal training under Palpatine, I'll tell you that right now! You're not just hocking some unestablished bullshit!
Oh no. Kam Solusar who's father was a PT Jedi that trained him before getting slain by Vader ? The same Kam that was able to escape Vader and his Jedi killsquads for more than a decade ?
Not surprising inasmuch as he trained them all (minus a handful who have about as much or less experience than he does).
Oh really ? Kam Solusar was starting his training in the first years of the Jedi Purge meaning he had almost two 3 decades of force using experience by DE. Mara Jade was trained from infancy on by the Emperor so she had more then a decade experience when Luke met her for the first time.
And Kyle Katarn was the lightsaber instructor of the order, not Luke. So he trained all the people. And since when do students have a constant inability to overcome their masters in terms of fighting ? Didn't Kun defeat Vodo ? Didn't Mace become better than his former lightsaber instructors ?
Hm. Insofar as I can see, neither of them are PT Jedi. Still don't see you establishing dick about Skywalker's lightsaber abilities.
Oh lets see.
After 6 months of training, Luke was able to defend himself properly against Vader who destroyed nice amounts of PT Jedi. In DE he outduels Sidious with a lightsaber. Yet somehow his lightsaber and force skills can't have improved in 20-30 years of time despite the fact that he constantly found himself in combat situations ranging from duels to full scale wars.
No apparently all people Luke faced must have been total weaklings - even when they are the best warriors of a species which conquered an entire Galaxy, could kill entire groups of Noghri in hand-to-hand combat and withstand attacks by Mandalorians.
And of course Luke's Jedi must suck too, because...oh my...because of what ? Because they had more training then most people we see in the TOTJ comics (by DN) ? Because they had a knowledge base using PT Jedi knowledge, Sith knowledge, Ancient Jedi knowledge as well as knowledge from other Force using orders (like the Fallanassi, the Aing-Ti Monks, the Jensaarai and so on) ? Not even mentioning that the entire NJO grew in a time of constant battles and while such time periods turn anybody into great combatants this can't be true for the NJO Jedi ?
Great reasoning.
Hell, not only that, Sedriss killed two other Dark Side elites without any trouble whatsoever and managed to match Ood Bnar in a force duel.
And yes, Nai is right: Kyle kills a trained, Jedi Master level Dark Jedi at his peak of power who's the Padawan of an ex-council member, no less.
And Mara's 'weak' senses were enough to feel Palpatine across the galaxy.
And say what you want about Kun, but Luke's students hooked him, line and sinker. Even before he assaulted them, he was backing away from Streen and Kirana. These unreal Jedi cornered the Dark Lord. Luke even saw how desperate he was at that point.
And while I'm on Kun, did he have a Sith master physically tutoring him? The only guy who might have Kun obliterated before he started studying Sadow's texts