DN Kyp Durron and DN Kyle Katarn vs Darth Revan and Darth Traya

Actually GV, people have agreed with me, people have told you to STFU, so you're obviously in your own little world.

Originally posted by tdtd
What are you retarded? How many times do I have to post my quote. She tied her life to the exile, so in essence whatever powers the Exile has, she has. Of course she learned to control it which I give her props for, while the Exile just drains everybody randomly. It's moronic to think that Traya learned the technique, while all the evidence points towards my quote.

Your mindless speculation is quite hilarious actually.

I am calling it mindless because you continue with it, despite contrary evidence to support my argument (her instantkilling the sith apprentices at Malachor 5). You have absolutely zero evidence. That is why my friend, nobody is taking you seriously.

In otherwords, your argument completely and utterly worthless. I am not going to argue with someone who ignores obvious proof, and pretty much continues to keep their head stuck up their ass. Nobody else will either. Continue to ignore the proof if you must.

I'm gone.

Yes that's why I've provided logical arguments.. You have no support for your "argument" because you fail to understand the concept of a bond between two people. Your anger and personal attacks shows how sad your argument really is, and don't speak for other people, I believe "other people" have called you a KOTOR fanboy many a time. Come back once you understand the concept of having a life bond.

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Originally posted by Illustrious
Does it say that the attack requires being a wound in the force?

Does it say that Traya needed X, X, and X prerequisites to pull it off? No.

You can't assume that Traya's attack will simply work without cooldown in the heat of battle against an equally (if not greater) skilled opponent. Because the assumption doesn't go both ways, we don't pass that off in a debate. The same way we don't say Nomi strips people of the force or Sadow simply blows their heads off.

It is still a valid theory, so unless you're going to say Traya>Exile and Nihilus, then you have to consider the fact that she is in the same position as Nihilus because of her life bond..

Traya disconnected herself from Exile during the events of Malachor 5, anyways. That is why when she died; the Exile did not go down WITH her. Despite this fact, she continued to employ the instantkill to devastating effect against Sion’s minions. It is obvious that that her ability to use the instantkill is not tied to the Exile. There, my proof.

I will be waiting for some actual PROOF, not any more of this speculation. Just because A and B can do a technique as a result of being a wound in the force, does not mean that C cannot do it. That is a logical fallacy friend. It is called hasty generalisation.

She disconnected herself during her fight with the Exile. And no, it's not a hasty generalization, it's based on evidence that states that unless C>A and B(which is not the case), then it is logical to assume C does it the same way A and B does it.. Try again.

Hmm...nice speculation here.

We don't know if Kreia needs the Exile around to instakill persons. The cutscene in which she defeats the Sith assassins. Well...did she use the very same attack against them ? Did she kill them ? Did she just knock them off ?

Somehow it appears kind of illogical to me that Kreia should have killed them but - for some reason - left those alive which later kneel down in front of the Exile when he enters the Academy, as well as those who are inside the Academy when the Exile walks through it.

And even if she can do it at will and in the middle of a fight - can she pull it off against people as powerful as Kyp Durron or Kyle Katarn when she apparently needed some time of preperation to use it on the Council Members in KotoR 2 ?

I really don't see that happening as well as I don't see Kyle and Kyp losing that fight...

We also have no clue if Traya's attack is one hundred percent infallible and unblockable...three shocked Jedi masters to Kyle and Kyp who've spent practically every week risking their lives?

Both agreeable..

Ye thats actually a valid point, and considering that its not even know whether or not Kreia's technique is used through the Exile.

It still IS a nice speculation, for all we know Kreia learned to control and harness the technique, but we see Nihilus have the same effect on people when he uses it. Only one who's different is the exile who randomly eats people.

Originally posted by tdtd
She disconnected herself during her fight with the Exile. And no, it's not a hasty generalization, it's based on evidence that states that unless C>A and B(which is not the case), then it is logical to assume C does it the same way A and B does it.. Try again.

The point is your sample space is too small for a reasonable inductive conclusion. If you are going to make a conclusion based on inductive reasoning, then it has to be shown for MANY cases, not just a few.

Do you even understand what it is that you type? I don't have to provide many cases, it's right there. Anyone created by the Exile(Nihilus), or has a real life bond with the exile(Kreia), can use the technique. I don't have to prove that she CANT use it, that's a negative, but you have to prove that she CAN use it without the Exile. Notice how pathetically weak she got after she let go of her life bond. Now again, unless youre sayng Kreia>Nihilus and the Exile, then it's a logical speculation that she had to have the force bond with the Exile.