Originally posted by General Kaliero
Oh my god, all the stages have horizontal floors and platforms, backgrounds, and music! The developers are so lazy! SSBB is dead to me and I hate it and everything about it! I'll still buy it and play it a ton, but I will hate every second of it!
That's what all the complainers sound like to me.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Oh my god, all the stages have horizontal floors and platforms, backgrounds, and music! The developers are so lazy! SSBB is dead to me and I hate it and everything about it! I'll still buy it and play it a ton, but I will hate every second of it!
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
@ the last 3 posts: Meh. To each his own, I guess.I was planning on maining Ganondorf if he had gotten a revamped moveset (with his sword and what not), but since he's a clone again, he'll just be 1 less character for me to use when playing the game.
I can understand being disappointed in the characters, but for someone to say "its dead to me", thats just talking out of their ass. If you played and enjoyed Melee(and if you care that much, you probably played a lot) you will play and enjoy Brawl. They have taken nothing away and added and entire games worth of new content.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I was planning on maining Ganondorf if he had gotten a revamped moveset (with his sword and what not), but since he's a clone again, he'll just be 1 less character for me to use when playing the game.
Originally posted by King KandyNo, because clones are just an example of the makers lazieness, instead of taking the time to think up a new moveset, they just slap another character's on.
So you will never, ever play as a clone? Even if it has traits that you like better then the original?
I am especially angry about Ganondorf being a clone. He has shown a diverse range of powers in the games, and they make him a frickin Captain Falcon clone.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, because clones are just an example of the makers lazieness, instead of taking the time to think up a new moveset, they just slap another character's on.I am especially angry about Ganondorf being a clone. He has shown a diverse range of powers in the games, and they make him a frickin Captain Falcon clone.
...do you want this game coming out this decade?
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, because clones are just an example of the makers lazieness, instead of taking the time to think up a new moveset, they just slap another character's on.I am especially angry about Ganondorf being a clone. He has shown a diverse range of powers in the games, and they make him a frickin Captain Falcon clone.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Because a moveset would indeed take a decade. 😉
Do you have any idea how much work goes into programming the littlest thing in a game?
Making completely individual movesets for every single character would greatly delay the making even further as that will cause a domino effect on just about every other aspect of the game that would then need to be checked to see how everything balances out. It's not as simple as just "oh, make him do this!".
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, because clones are just an example of the makers lazieness, instead of taking the time to think up a new moveset, they just slap another character's on.I am especially angry about Ganondorf being a clone. He has shown a diverse range of powers in the games, and they make him a frickin Captain Falcon clone.
Now that I'm working toward a degree to design games, I love how no one thinks about the fact these games have a budget and a strict set of deadlines, and the designers get paid for their time. The idea people have to think up all the movesets. The character designers have to work out how each move looks. The texture artists have to debug the UV maps when a position warps the skin. The animators have to either do mocap (which includes hiring stunt actors) or animate by hand (many, MANY man-hours of drudgery). The foley artists and voice actors have to produce all those swishes, grunts, smacks, and battle cries.
Oh yeah, there's programming there too. New code to write, hundreds if not thousands of lines of it, and if there's a single fault in any line that has to be found and edited, and then you try again hoping that was the only issue, and it never is.
There is a lot of work here, guys, and only so much money and time can be poured into a single game before execs start to worry.
Originally posted by LanaStill wouldn't take a decade. 😎
Do you have any idea how much work goes into programming the littlest thing in a game?Making completely individual movesets for every single character would greatly delay the making even further as that will cause a domino effect on just about every other aspect of the game that would then need to be checked to see how everything balances out. It's not as simple as just "oh, make him do this!".
JK, I do realise that the game would have to be delayed, but IMO, it would be worth it.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Still wouldn't take a decade. 😎JK, I do realise that the game would have to be delayed, but IMO, it would be worth it.
I didn't actually say it would take a decade, though. I asked if you'd like the game out this decade. Go look at a calendar and see what year it is - decade ends in two years 😛 A game could easily be delayed that long trying to create, program, and debug all of that stuff. Just look at how long Brawl's been delayed already - it's been in production for YEARS.
Originally posted by @st
I can understand being disappointed in the characters, but for someone to say "its dead to me", thats just talking out of their ass. If you played and enjoyed Melee(and if you care that much, you probably played a lot) you will play and enjoy Brawl.
Originally posted by @st
They have taken nothing away and added and entire games worth of new content.
*looks at Mewtwo* =(
Originally posted by King Kandy
So you will never, ever play as a clone? Even if it has traits that you like better then the original?
Ganondorf's traits (jumping ability, etc.) are much worse than Captain Falcon's, so I see no reason to have Ganon be one of my main characters if they didn't improve him from Melee at all.
But since Wolf is a new character (although a clone), I suppose I'll make an exception for him, regardless if his traits are better than Fox's or not.
Originally posted by Lana
and that generally when a company hits on a good formula, they're not going to be making many changes.
I suppose de-cloning some of the characters (like Falco) would've been a little too hard/time-consuming, but having Ganondorf as a clone again is just inexcusable. Did they forget about Ganon's sword and all those things he had in the LoZ games? Ganondorf's moveset could've been easily revamped.
Originally posted by Lana
...do you want this game coming out this decade?
Unlike most people, I actually have the patience to wait for things (that, and I have other good games and other stuff to keep me busy).
Originally posted by @st
I dont think Nintendo could wait any longer, this and Mario Kart are the only real must have games this year.
Maybe it's just me, but the Wii's predecessors (Gamecube, N64, etc.) had so many more good games to choose from.
I mean, sure. The Wii's had some good games so far, such as Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy, but it's still lacking in other areas, seeing as how they haven't even announced a Star Fox game for the Wii yet, among other things.
I guess the Wii won't have much more interesting things to offer after Brawl and Mario Kart come out. 😬