Bioshock

Originally posted by Lana
I don't know, but I've certainly been talking about it enough when people've been asking about Bioshock...

One of my friends at work and I think that it'll probably be the game of the year this year.

I'm just glad the 360 dropped in price so I'll actually be able to play this soon...even though it's very likely it's going to really really creep me out, as SS2 did...

(Ush, we should multiplayer this at some point)

You can't.

The entire point of my post above is that due to poor uptake of their previous multiplayer efforts, there is no multiplay for Bioshock.

LAME.

I was looking forward to that, too. As awesome as the game looks, I know it's going to just scare the hell out of me and I'm not sure if I'll actually be able to play it by myself.

Stop being a wuss.

From what I played in the demo it's not that bad.

Originally posted by Lana
LAME.

I was looking forward to that, too. As awesome as the game looks, I know it's going to just scare the hell out of me and I'm not sure if I'll actually be able to play it by myself.

Well, thats what it's for, and this game wouldn't be succesful if it didn't have that scare factor everyone's looking at. And just invite a friend over on your off day to play the game.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You can't.

The entire point of my post above is that due to poor uptake of their previous multiplayer efforts, there is no multiplay for Bioshock.

I'm glad they dont have MP.

Rather have them spend all the time creating a great SP game then concentrate resources creating an bland MP experience.

I don't care about MP much, only Co-Op.

Originally posted by BackFire
Stop being a wuss.

From what I played in the demo it's not that bad.

Shut up. Games creep me out really easily.

Originally posted by Smasandian
I'm glad they dont have MP.

Rather have them spend all the time creating a great SP game then concentrate resources creating an bland MP experience.

Trust me, having played System Shock 2 multiplayer? I doubt that'd be a problem.

Originally posted by DanZeke25
I don't care about MP much, only Co-Op.

Uh, co-op IS multiplayer.

Originally posted by Lana
Shut up. Games creep me out really easily.

BOO!!

Originally posted by Lana
Shut up. Games creep me out really easily.

Trust me, having played System Shock 2 multiplayer? I doubt that'd be a problem.

Uh, co-op IS multiplayer.

I know that. I meant that's the aspect of multiplayer I really care about. The rest doesn't bother me if it's not in the game.

Originally posted by Lana
Shut up. Games creep me out really easily.

Trust me, having played System Shock 2 multiplayer? I doubt that'd be a problem.

Uh, co-op IS multiplayer.

And that makes Bioshock automatically good if they did create MP?

Still, I rather have a better SP experience resulting from more developing time on that experience than the developing team creating two modes.

If I remember correctly, MP was added after the game was released for System Shock. Maybe they could do this, but I would expect that Bioshock SP experience might not be as memorable if they tacked on an MP game. From most FPS games, the most played and generally the most fun MP games are strictly made for online. FEAR, Far Cry, Half Life, Half Life 2, No One Lives Forever have great SP, but so-so MP.

eh, from the demo I can tell that MP wouldn't have worked so well on this game. The gameplay, and just the way everything works wouldn't translate so well to MP, I think.

Plus, if it took them this long just to create the single player experience for the game, adding a mp mode would extend development by a good while, if they were to make it good. That or they would have had to take time away from the single player development to work on MP, which would result in a much less detailed game world, which is a very important attribute for the game.

The replayability of this game sounds extraordinary, so no MP is fine, imo.

We're not talking about some bolted on deathmatch option here, which would indeed be a waste.

You would have said that about System Shock II as well, BF, that it wouldn't be suitable, or that it would have distracted development time.

But it was suitable, it did not distract any time because they added it later, they did it, it was one of the most amazing co-op experiences ever, and none of you buggers tried it so they don't want to make the effort any more, even though it would be just as good.

Hence everyone sucks.

Incidentally, all those other games had boring MP because... they were straight out shooters, and in any case only ever produce boring deathmatch instead of a proper gaming experience.

SS2 was neither a straight out shooter nor did it have any deathmatch- multiplay was a co-operative run through the whole game. Bioshock, despite everything, is SS2 with knobs on. There is not the slightest risk of this having been at all bland.

Just to quote their designer here:

"[Bioshock] is our first game that hasn't had multipayer. And I don't think anyone has ever spent any real time playing our multiplayer in our games. So System Shock 2, Freedom Force, they've all had multiplayer. And maybe SWAT, some people have spent some time playing SWAT multiplayer... And then you think about all the work people have spent building multiplayer for these other games and then you go look on who's playing, say, Brothers in Arms, even when it just came out multiplayer, in the world, you're talking about in the world, playing on Xbox Live, I remember we looked right after the game came out, and there were six people playing it. And you think about the effort that went into that, and you just want to cry like a little girl."

Yup, it was you, the general gaming public, that wasted their effort so they don't want to do those fantastic co-op experiences any more.

AHHHHHHHHHH!

Ask Ush how many times, when we were playing SS2 co-op, that I'd walk through a door, see something, freak out, throw a fireball, and end up hitting him instead...

Originally posted by Ushgarak
We're not talking about some bolted on deathmatch option here, which would indeed be a waste.

You would have said that about System Shock II as well, BF, that it wouldn't be suitable, or that it would have distracted development time.

But it was suitable, it did not distract any time because they added it later, they did it, it was one of the most amazing co-op experiences ever, and none of you buggers tried it so they don't want to make the effort any more, even though it would be just as good.

Hence everyone sucks.

Incidentally, all those other games had boring MP because... they were straight out shooters, and in any case only ever produce boring deathmatch instead of a proper gaming experience.

SS2 was neither a straight out shooter nor did it have any deathmatch- multiplay was a co-operative run through the whole game. Bioshock, despite everything, is SS2 with knobs on. There is not the slightest risk of this having been at all bland.

Maybe they will add co-op through a patch if alot of people wanted it.

I wanted to play System Shock 2 but I could never find it in stores, well I had Half Life and played TFC religiously. Maybe, if I could of found System Shock 2, I would of played it, but it was impossible to find near me.

I don't want to get my hopes up for them adding a patch now- it;s a lot of effort for them to add in netcode and check all the areas will work (as they had to with SS2) if they don't think anyone is going to play it.

And of course they are right. The amount of people that would REALLY value that compared to those that will value it for what it already is is tiny; not worth their time.

Just happens I am part of that minority. I love co-op. Gosh darn it.

EDIT

I say **** Multiplayer. You want multi go buy 1 out of the hundred million games out there with great online multi....or maybe I'm just spoiled because my soul will be sold to the devil once September 25 arrives.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
We're not talking about some bolted on deathmatch option here, which would indeed be a waste.

You would have said that about System Shock II as well, BF, that it wouldn't be suitable, or that it would have distracted development time.

But it was suitable, it did not distract any time because they added it later, they did it, it was one of the most amazing co-op experiences ever, and none of you buggers tried it so they don't want to make the effort any more, even though it would be just as good.

Hence everyone sucks.

Incidentally, all those other games had boring MP because... they were straight out shooters, and in any case only ever produce boring deathmatch instead of a proper gaming experience.

SS2 was neither a straight out shooter nor did it have any deathmatch- multiplay was a co-operative run through the whole game. Bioshock, despite everything, is SS2 with knobs on. There is not the slightest risk of this having been at all bland.

Oh okay. Well, I assume you'll be playing it on the PC. In which case, I'm sure someone will create a mod pretty quickly that will allow coop play if the company doesn't.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I say **** Multiplayer. You want multi go buy 1 out of the hundred million games out there with great online multi....or maybe I'm just spoiled because my soul will be sold to the devil once September 25 arrives.

Actually decent multiplay co-op games are VERY hard to find- though hellgate is coming soon, yay.

And I suspect that might not work out, BF. They tried and failed with Deus Ex and last I checked the Oblivion one wasn't working out either.

And it was too many darn times, Lana.