How do we know how fast they were? Vong were extremely fast. And about that stone wall, don't we just see it hit the wall? There's no slicing through stone that we can see.
And Shimrra is only the strongest member of a race whose politician class is about twice as strong as a human. And Shimrra's far from an Intendant.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Shhh, the big boys are talking
Says the one who always embarasses himself when he posts, and is always wrong.. Way to go lightsnake, but as you said, the big boys are talking and since youre incompetent and illogical, keep quiet and let us debate this, although it's already obvious.
Originally posted by tdtd
1. Look at the scans when the ancient sith lords fight with the swords.. You see the speed with the traces of the swords..
2. We know the ancient sith such as Sadow and Kressh were extremely strong, and Ragnos is superior to them in strength..
How do you know that Ragnos was physically stronger then them.
Originally posted by tdtd
1. Look at the scans when the ancient sith lords fight with the swords.. You see the speed with the traces of the swords..
2. We know the ancient sith such as Sadow and Kressh were extremely strong, and Ragnos is superior to them in strength..
I'm not familiar with comics and such, but I've seen many others and they all have that kind of stuff. I just thought it was made to show from where they are striking and actually showing that they were striking, otherwise it would look like they were standing still.
But as I said, unfamiliar with the ways comics are made, so they might as well be speed traces...
I asked you last time where it said that they were so strong, but I never got an answere. Can you tell me now?
Originally posted by BLAK FOX
How do you know that Ragnos was physically stronger then them.
Because the author made it a point to discuss Ragnos' tremendous physical strength.. And again, if Sadow or Kressh were stronger, they would have challenged him.
Originally posted by kamikz
I'm not familiar with comics and such, but I've seen many others and they all have that kind of stuff. I just thought it was made to show from where they are striking and actually showing that they were striking, otherwise it would look like they were standing still.
But as I said, unfamiliar with the ways comics are made, so they might as well be speed traces...I asked you last time where it said that they were so strong, but I never got an answere. Can you tell me now?
It doesn't say where they were strong, it only talks about Ragnos. However, we see Ludo Kressh shatter his sword in half, and you see their swords slice through brick buildings, so they are extremely powerful.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
How do we know how fast they were? Vong were extremely fast.
You can see Kressh and Sadow leaving afterimages and image blurs while fighting. And of course there is the "force speed" ability. If Padawan Kenobi can run faster than a blaster bolt, I don't see a reason why Sith Lords who studied the force for centuries shouldn't be able to do the same - seems to be a basic ability.
And about that stone wall, don't we just see it hit the wall? There's no slicing through stone that we can see.
Sadow puts his blade through a stone table rather easily. Kressh put his into a wall and later simply breaks his sword with his bare hands.
The "original" Sith were an insectoid species which might very well pocess a greater physical power than humans anyways. The Sith Lords are quite packed with muscles and Ragnos, as he appears in the comics, seems to be stronger than both Kressh and Sadow.
Now add the ability to increase your physical strength using the force. Dooku was able to block Anakin and Obi-Wan at once when Anakin had enough strength to hold the weight of Sidious, Obi-Wan and himself with his artificial arm.
And Shimrra is only the strongest member of a race whose politician class is about twice as strong as a human. And Shimrra's far from an Intendant.
Arguing like that, Ragnos was the most powerful of a group of powerful people ruling over an entire Empire filled with people that were stronger than the member of a species already being stronger than humans. Or said more easily:
Ragnos > Sadow / Kressh > other Sith Lords > Massassi > normal native Sith > humans
I would also like to note that, since the Sith sword is a physical object, it makes sense that the wielder can use Force powers on himself that affect the power and velocity behind a swing. Lightsabers are not affected by strength for actual cutting power, but empowering an already physically strong being with the Force increases the power behind the blow, and possibly a use of Force speed.
Originally posted by Borbarad
You can see Kressh and Sadow leaving afterimages and image blurs while fighting. And of course there is the "force speed" ability. If Padawan Kenobi can run faster than a blaster bolt, I don't see a reason why Sith Lords who studied the force for centuries shouldn't be able to do the same - seems to be a basic ability.Sadow puts his blade through a stone table rather easily. Kressh put his into a wall and later simply breaks his sword with his bare hands.
The "original" Sith were an insectoid species which might very well pocess a greater physical power than humans anyways. The Sith Lords are quite packed with muscles and Ragnos, as he appears in the comics, seems to be stronger than both Kressh and Sadow.Now add the ability to increase your physical strength using the force. Dooku was able to block Anakin and Obi-Wan at once when Anakin had enough strength to hold the weight of Sidious, Obi-Wan and himself with his artificial arm.
Arguing like that, Ragnos was the most powerful of a group of powerful people ruling over an entire Empire filled with people that were stronger than the member of a species already being stronger than humans. Or said more easily:
Ragnos > Sadow / Kressh > other Sith Lords > Massassi > normal native Sith > humans
As opposed to Shimrra's enhanced speed and strength from the best of shapers working on him? And in a comic, would those afterimages be due to speed or just conveying the motion?
Kressh doesn't break his sword with his bare hands, he swings it, flat side, into the ground. Sadow stabs his sword into the ground and Kressh swings the blade into the wall, I didn't see it penetrate. And we only see Ragnos as a spirit, it;'s a bit hard to judge how musclebound he was like that.
It's more difficult arguing physical strength, as that's always been secondary in Star Wars...the average strength of the average Sith hasn't really been compared to humans.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
As opposed to Shimrra's enhanced speed and strength from the best of shapers working on him? And in a comic, would those afterimages be due to speed or just conveying the motion?
It's not needed to paint down afterimages to convey motion. Look at the fights in the DE comics - with the exception for the "disarm movements" or killing moves - you don't have such hints of movements. Same with the TOTJ comics (mostly). I don't see why they should have switched their way to convey motion. As well as I don't see why the Sith would prefer Sith swords over lightsabers when they lack speed using them.
Kressh doesn't break his sword with his bare hands, he swings it, flat side, into the ground. Sadow stabs his sword into the ground and Kressh swings the blade into the wall, I didn't see it penetrate. And we only see Ragnos as a spirit, it;'s a bit hard to judge how musclebound he was like that.
Kressh breaks his sword by swinging it on a table, yes. Still...it's a metal sword and technically he shouldn't be able to brake it that way, especially not when he has put it into a wall before. That doesn't only require sheer strength but also control (as much as not hammering the blade into the table but instead break the weapon).
And look at the comics. Ragnos appears to be quite huge compared to Kressh and Sadow. Same when he approaches Kun and Ulic in DLotS. In JK:JA it's even more obvious. His sceptre and his sword a larger than Tavion. And somebody who always carries a sceptre around with a Sith sword hidden inside, both approxematly 2 metres long and crafted out of metal must have some very great physical strength.
It's more difficult arguing physical strength, as that's always been secondary in Star Wars...the average strength of the average Sith hasn't really been compared to humans.
Well...Sadow's mutated Massassi did pocess enough physical strength to floor a Cathar Jedi with bare hands. Kun did push down Sylvar with his left arm only in ther duel in DLotS #1. And sorry...going by physical appearance Kun looks weaker than Nadd (physical strength) who is a joke compared to Ragnos.
Going by this Ragnos natural strength might already be a match for Shimrra and it can only get worse for the Overlord if Ragnos boosts up his speed and strength with his force powers. And that's not even thinking about the idea that Ragnos might destroy the entire enviroment when they fight in a "neutral" area.