Ludo Kressh vs DN Luke

You still don't get it. IMO Sidious is better then Sadow. In your opinion he is not. These are all opinions, not facts.

No, Sidious>Sadow your opinion. Sadow>Sidious=fact.. There have been many threads with this, you must be new here considering the fact that you think Sidious>any of the ancient sith, much less most of the TOTJ characters. Sadow is beyond Sidious in power, Sidious is the greatest sith lord because he conquered the galaxy. He is nowhere NEAR the most powerful, this is a FACT. I can name you 5-10 Jedi/Sith that are greater in power than him, while Sadow only has Ragnos to look up to

Dude you cannot prove that Sadow was stronger then Sidious. It is therefore not a fact.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, how long have you been on this forum exactly, maybe you should read up on some threads.. Let's see..
Sidious has no answer for Sadow's amulet blasts, raw power, force abilites, wielding a powerful sword as fast a lightsaber, sith alchemy, etc..
Sidious has nothing that would come remotely close to Sadow, he isn't in the same league is Sadow, to even suggest something like that is pure fanboyism

Again td, it's your opinion that Siidous has 'no answer' to all of those things that you just mentioned.

My opinion when I've just listed facts that you can't refute at all? Not to mention you can't even show me 1 thing that Sidious would have on Sadow? Wow, that's some infallible logic.. Or as they say in the greatest country in the world:

Okay, so prove Sadow could counter a force storm or any of the techniques Sidious himself created, especially as only the lightside can counter the force storm.
Also clarify that Sidious had mastered every technique, from the empire as well. And you believe Sadow could counter all those things, well...Sidious was learning FROM the Ancients and knew their darkest secrets himself.

And, Td's points collapse as usual

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Okay, so prove Sadow could counter a force storm or any of the techniques Sidious himself created, especially as only the lightside can counter the force storm.
Also clarify that Sidious had mastered every technique, from the empire as well. And you believe Sadow could counter all those things, well...Sidious was learning FROM the Ancients and knew their darkest secrets himself.

And, Td's points collapse as usual

Prove Sadow can counter a technique derived by the ancient sith? Error #1.
It can only be countered by the lightside? Error #2
Sidious mastered what exactly? What is "Every" technique? That's real specific and real canon lightsnake. Error #3
Sidious learned from the ancients, but what? Sidious learned from the ancients while Sadow WAS an ancient who learned from the greatest magician(Simus).

In other words lightsnake, your Sidious argument has been ripped to shreds millions of times, which is why you left this forum to begin with. Bringing the same arguments back make it easy for me to make you look like a fool.
It is no wonder you disappear as soon as Nai, Illustrious, Janus, or even IKC post.

The force storm was derived from the ancient sith? News to me.

Yes, it was.. Maybe not in the same form as DE Sidious showed, but the Force storm was indeed derived from the ancient sith.

According to who?

TOTJ Companion.

Well, that he himself created it comes from the DE mythos, albeit it could've been retconned, but Sidious's usage of it far surpassed anything else seen...and that was directly written. And every technique of the dark side, plain and simple. Yeah, it's canon, it's written right down.

And unlike Sadow, Sidious had access to Marka personally, Tulak, Dathka...and any other dead Sith, all of whom respected him and viewed him very highly.

And you're a liar. where's it said Simus was the 'greatest magician' or the Dark Lord of the Sith?

You're right, Nai didn't bring it up to you, IKC didn't bring it up to you, I love how you play stupid when other people aren't around when you KNOW facts... And shut up with "Well Sidious SUPPOSEDLY had this".. Yea, Sadow DIDNT have access to Ragnos, or ancient sith alchemy, or Simus.. You look dumber with every post when you decide to play stupid.

Simus taught Sadow, that he got anything from Ragnos is an unsupported assumption, thanks.

And no, Sidious did have that: It's written right down

Saying "Sidious learned everything" means absolutely shit in reality, and in a logical argument. There's nothing to even remotely suggest Sidious is anywhere near Sadow's level, how many times does this forum have to call you a Sidious fanboy before you get the hint?

By looking at this, I'd say tdtd has already lost the debate on account of his resorting to petty insults and trying to establish his opinion - however much it has been verified and agreed with by others - as fact.

Originally posted by Faunus
By looking at this, I'd say tdtd has already lost the debate on account of his resorting to petty insults and trying to establish his opinion - however much it has been verified and agreed with by others - as fact.

How does one lose a debate because I resort to insults, since some people can't understand facts FAnus? Nice logic, not to mention I'm just verifying things all over for people that either know nothing, or are playing dumb.. But I guess with your logic, as soon as I call someone a dumbass, I have lost a debate I can and have easily argued for.

Oh, so the DE sourcebook doesn't count as canon in TD's world?

Tell me, what does "he learned everything" mean? Lightsnake you go in circles with your nonsense and you've been doing that ever since you came back and you have been proven wrong EVERY time.. I insult you because it's the same thing over and over, whether you can't read, or you're just in denial. Face the FACTS already..