This has indeed been argued many times, however if you people are inclined to believe that Kun is affected by such a lightning, its logical fallacy for you believe that Kun's Amulet Blasts are not, they're thicker than a lightsaber and much more powerful than your average blaster, so hence unless your able to disprove Kun's blasts working, Luke's Emerald Lightning remains on the same plane.
Both are exceptional duelist, so i believe it to be a draw.
I don't actually think that the blasts would ever be as dangerous as they were when Kun first acquired them because imo they were only of such great power and magnitude because he couldn't control them, so I think that he needed to be able to control the blasts so they weren't as much of a danger to himself and I think that his blast against Aleema was the result of all of that, and that was hardly impressive.
They were two different attacks, and what you have posted is purely your opinion and unfounded assumptions.
Prove that Luke's Emerald Lightning works on force users, you can't really. Kun's amulet is fueled with the "dark rage within his heart" and as a DLOTS he always has a dark rage.
Your not making logical assumptions either, just because he couldn't control them and that later perhaps he can, does not mean the Blasts will be lessened in any way.
Compare and contrast the two attacks, its very obviously two very different attacks.
By your logic, Luke's Emerald lightning wont be as effective against a force user because he was only shown to use it on a non-force sensitive being.
I think Luke might have (potentially) some defense against Kun's energy blasts. In Dark Empire, Luke managed to block powerful AT-AT blasts with the force... Using the force, I think he might be able to block a force attack. These blasts are tangible... and only do a bit more damage than full power AT-AT blasts.
Ok, prove Kun's amulet blasts works on sentient being force users...and for the last time, didn't Luke use EL on the Kiliks? And for the love of...Luke killed a living creature with it while he was on its level of the force. Why would anyone consider it was just for the Vong when, on the Unifying Force, there's no distinction?
And Luke is probably the far, far superior duelist and force user here
Well the way i see it is that the yuuzhan vong were part of the unifying force but not part of the living force and if Emerald Lightning could hurt someone that was only part of the unifying it could hurt someone who is part of the unifying and living force[unless the living force acts as a shield to Emerald Lightning which i highly doubt].
Originally posted by Razielim
I think Luke might have (potentially) some defense against Kun's energy blasts. In Dark Empire, Luke managed to block powerful AT-AT blasts with the force... Using the force, I think he might be able to block a force attack. These blasts are tangible... and only do a bit more damage than full power AT-AT blasts.
Well the Amulet Blasts cannot not be quantified in power, so you can't really say do a bit more damage. If you want to say that, well EL does 1/10000000 damage of the AT-AT blasts.
Lightsnake its not shown to be a instakill when used upon force users, unless reasonable sources come out, you cannot simply assume that they will automatically work as they do on the Vong.
Look everyone has favourites, however neither Luke's nor Kun's attacks have any sources to show they would work on each other.
Amulet Attacks tore apart Huge Monsters of the Dark Side
EL instakilled a immensly powerful creature.
Both attacks have accomplished similar tasks, so why are you trying to say EL > Amulet blasts? That is somewhat biased....
In this fight however, i believe it to be a stalemate.
Originally posted by 1.Ben Skywalker
Well the way i see it is that the yuuzhan vong were part of the unifying force but not part of the living force and if Emerald Lightning could hurt someone that was only part of the unifying it could hurt someone who is part of the unifying and living force[unless the living force acts as a shield to Emerald Lightning which i highly doubt].
Again, everything is part of the Unfying Force, but not every single Vong is a force sensitive so we have no idea if the EL is an instakill in every single case.
The Amulet blasts destroyed a creature of similar stature, yet everyone is keen to downplay it.
Originally posted by Deception
Again, everything is part of the Unfying Force, but not every single Vong is a force sensitive so we have no idea if the EL is an instakill in every single case.The Amulet blasts destroyed a creature of similar stature, yet everyone is keen to downplay it.
The amulet blasts were only so massive and powerful in DLOTS because Kun couldn't control them and the amulet was feeding directly of Kun's power. When he learns how to control them (and it is clear that he does indeed learn how to control them when he says to Aleema that she is a sith pretender and that he has leant everything from the ancient sith (whether he did or didn't, it is clear that he believed that he had) so it is presumable that he learnt how to control the amulet blasts), the blasts are nothing that special as is shown when he uses them against Aleema. It is a single beam, hardly more powerful then a simple force power and Aleema is shortly able to get up unhurt.
The amulet blasts were only so massive and powerful in DLOTS because Kun couldn't control them
Really? Before Kun even mentions anything about "not being able to control it", he says "Yes, Nadd...I...I believe I begin to understand", and the omniscient narrator comes in to say "What Exar Kun understands is that the dark rage that fills his own heart can be focused in this amulet, unleashing tremendous energies!" - and on the same page we see him use the blasts which seem to have the same magnitude as the others. Then, on the next page, he says he can't control it as the energy increases - though there is no mention of this on the previous page of Kun not controlling it when we see the blasts first disintegrate temple walls.
and the amulet was feeding directly of Kun's power.
Kun can use "the dark rage that fills his own heart" - his anger - and focus it in the amulet, different from the amulet "feeding off Kun's power".
When he learns how to control them (and it is clear that he does indeed learn how to control them when he says to Aleema that she is a sith pretender and that he has leant everything from the ancient sith
(whether he did or didn't, it is clear that he believed that he had) so it is presumable that he learnt how to control the amulet blasts),
It's presumable to believe he actually knew how to control the blasts, when it isn't clear [to you] that he has learned everything of "Sith powers"?
the blasts are nothing that special as is shown when he uses them against Aleema. It is a single beam, hardly more powerful then a simple force power and Aleema is shortly able to get up unhurt.
The blast had enough power to throw her across the room, and knock her unconcious - but not enough to even leave a burn? I highly doubt that's the same attack. Not ruling out it isn't, but I wouldn't count it as the same either. Even though they had two different artists, the attacks look different anyways - red squiggly lines and pink DBZ blasts.
As well, have you taken into account that he wasn't even attuned to the Darkside during that point? Hadn't learned jack of the Darkside, and was almost clueless?
The fact he could use blasts to that magnitude, direct them, and not be consumed by them when he didn't know jack about the Darkside is impressive. Since that time he's gained immense knowledge - "more knowledge and wealth than he can ever hope to use", vast insights into the Darkside, and obviously tremendous power - to think he can't produce the same effect and control it would call for an actual explanation rather than "omg Aleema blastz = fin4l product".
I suppose though that it's the same attack (not really) - I mean Ulic, who knew nothing of Nadd's direct teaching and barely anything of the amulet he possessed, knew how to or did create blasts like Kun did on Yavin, but instead "learned everything", and used a blast which had similiar effect to Kun's blast on Aleema, on Cay and Nomi, right?
Oh, and Akbar - your sig is awesome.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ok, prove Kun's amulet blasts works on sentient being force users...and for the last time, didn't Luke use EL on the Kiliks? And for the love of...Luke killed a living creature with it while he was on its level of the force. Why would anyone consider it was just for the Vong when, on the Unifying Force, there's no distinction?
And Luke is probably the far, far superior duelist and force user here
What does setience have to do with whether it would affect him or not. Guns kill both sentient and non-sentient things.
Originally posted by darthnuman
The amulet blasts were only so massive and powerful in DLOTS because Kun couldn't control them and the amulet was feeding directly of Kun's power. When he learns how to control them (and it is clear that he does indeed learn how to control them when he says to Aleema that she is a sith pretender and that he has leant everything from the ancient sith (whether he did or didn't, it is clear that he believed that he had) so it is presumable that he learnt how to control the amulet blasts), the blasts are nothing that special as is shown when he uses them against Aleema. It is a single beam, hardly more powerful then a simple force power and Aleema is shortly able to get up unhurt.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Really? Before Kun even mentions anything about "not being able to control it", he says "Yes, Nadd...I...I believe I begin to understand", and the omniscient narrator comes in to say "What Exar Kun understands is that the dark rage that fills his own heart can be focused in this amulet, unleashing tremendous energies!" - and on the same page we see him use the blasts which seem to have the same magnitude as the others. Then, on the next page, he says he can't control it as the energy increases - though there is no mention of this on the previous page of Kun not controlling it when we see the blasts first disintegrate temple walls.Kun can use "the dark rage that fills his own heart" - his anger - and focus it in the amulet, different from the amulet "feeding [b]off
Kun's power".It's presumable to believe he actually knew how to control the blasts, when it isn't clear [to you] that he has learned everything of "Sith powers"?
The blast had enough power to throw her across the room, and knock her unconcious - but not enough to even leave a burn? I highly doubt that's the same attack. Not ruling out it isn't, but I wouldn't count it as the same either. Even though they had two different artists, the attacks look different anyways - red squiggly lines and pink DBZ blasts.
As well, have you taken into account that he wasn't even attuned to the Darkside during that point? Hadn't learned jack of the Darkside, and was almost clueless?
The fact he could use blasts to that magnitude, direct them, and not be consumed by them when he didn't know jack about the Darkside is impressive. Since that time he's gained immense knowledge - "more knowledge and wealth than he can ever hope to use", vast insights into the Darkside, and obviously tremendous power - to think he can't produce the same effect and control it would call for an actual explanation rather than "omg Aleema blastz = fin4l product".
I suppose though that it's the same attack (not really) - I mean Ulic, who knew nothing of Nadd's direct teaching and barely anything of the amulet he possessed, knew how to or did create blasts like Kun did on Yavin, but instead "learned everything", and used a blast which had similiar effect to Kun's blast on Aleema, on Cay and Nomi, right?
Oh, and Akbar - your sig is awesome. [/B]
Good Post.
Thanks! 😄
This fanboyism for Exar Kun has got to stop. His amulet blasts were not special and not incredible as they are shown to be simple attacks when used against Aleema.
And there would be a case for Luke's emerald lightning only working on Vong if the Vong were on a different plane of the force to other beings but they are actually on a higher plane of the force to other beings so there is no reason to believe it won't work.
Originally posted by True Fox
This fanboyism for Exar Kun has got to stop. His amulet blasts were not special and not incredible as they are shown to be simple attacks when used against Aleema.
Oh, please.
Perhaps you missed my post that practically refuted the whole load of crap that his attack used against Aleema was the final product? And, you've yet to respond to it - so unless you're going to develop some type of rebuttal for it, don't say "omg Aleema blastz = fin4l product".