Midnighter vs Wolverine

alright for this slade wolverine nonsense...

wolverine's a better fighter
slades a stronger person
slade hasn't proven that he's be consistantly faster than wolverine... sure he's reacted to the likes of flash and wonderwoman but WW was depowered and flash was easily goaded into getting hit... the same way batman tricked flash into being tripped. but in terms of consistant h2h speeds.. his best feet is in crisis where he fights the JLA.... there's a lot of evidence that he COULD be faster than logan.. but that one occasion conflsics with MANY more occasions where he's been hit and contested by human beings or people of logans speed or slower.
logan definitely has a better healing factor..

senses are equal.. ds can see microscopic things, wolverine can sense incoming dangers before they arrive.

durability wise. ds has been put down by a stomp from superboy... wolverine's consistantly stood up to hulk

ds has toys.. not many of them will effect wolverine though...

all and all the only x factor in this fight is the speed issue... that could go either way.. but because wolverine can chop of DS limbs and not the other way around.. wolvie wins more often than not...

remember that a vast majority of DS' most impressive feats vs. big names are dealing with people he's already prepared for.

gimme a break. wolverine rarely does things like heal a heart in three panels and take shots from the hulk. 85% of the time he goes down healing from MUCH less. ord put him down for more than three panels with nothing but a gut-slice.

Originally posted by manorastroman
gimme a break. wolverine rarely does things like heal a heart in three panels and take shots from the hulk. 85% of the time he goes down healing from MUCH less. ord put him down for more than three panels with nothing but a gut-slice.

the orb incident when crap. it was far from the norm. that one of wolverines worse showing ever. but to be fair it likly it was poisoned with a special alien type drug that effected powers.

Originally posted by manorastroman
gimme a break. wolverine rarely does things like heal a heart in three panels and take shots from the hulk. 85% of the time he goes down healing from MUCH less. ord put him down for more than three panels with nothing but a gut-slice.

Considering I have read almost every Wolverine appearance listed in Wizard Magazines Ultimate Wolverine Appearance Guide and many more that aren't listed I think I might have a better idea what the normal level of Wolverine's healing factor then you do...

here a few durability feats of logans. also theses are also fights logan has ahd with high strength level people and in each of these fights he takes a hit from the high level guy he is fighting.

(Giant –sized X-men 3) wolverine gets hit from behind then hit a couple more times full on by thunder bird with out looking effected at all. Last I checked t-bird is class 90.

(x-men #444 to 445) a whole school blows up from a mutant and wolverine is right at it core and wolverine is hurt, but far from KO.

Wolverine Vs Tiger Shark. He fought and took hits from tiger shark and kept coming. There first fight was in the water and the second which this pic is from is were wolverine beats tiger shark who is class 100.
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Wolverine vs Grey hulk in hulk 340. wolverine takes quite a few this from hulk and keeps coming.
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wolverine vs. hulk again.
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Wolverine vs. hulk under water
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(wolverine vs hulk #8) bone claws wolverine vs. green hulk even bone clawed wolverine took quite a few this from hulk.

here another fight wolverine had with a class 100 and came out on top. Wolverine takes in this fight with ba’al quite a good amount of hits and keeps coming.
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wolverine vs wendigo who is a class 100 and is taking hit quite fine.
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death wolverine vs. hulk and as u can see hulk hitting him aint stopping him.
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wolverine vs namor first fight
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(The New Invaders #6 enemy of the state tie-in) wolverine fight Namor and takes a few hits from Namor and keeps coming and wins the match, This is Namor and wolverine second fight with eachother

wolverine has a fist fight with calabain.
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wolverine getting hit by a dude who most likely over a 100 feet tall. Wolverine not only fine, he even making a joke about it an attacking right away.
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Spiderman going all out on a smiling wolverine. This is for the people who said Spiderman could “kill Wolverine with one punch” also for the people who said Spiderman could “KO” Wolverine with one shot.
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Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
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(wolverine #123) bone claws wolverine is chained up and is beaten over and over by rough-house and never shown through out the comic to pass out. So Wolverine getting beaten on over and over by a class 90 I am sorry but Spiderman could never take that beating.

(New thunderbolts #4) wolverine ahs a sword right through his him and is walking around and doing thing like the sword is not even effecting him, there is no way Spiderman could ever do that.

(Marvel team up #13) Titannus hit wolverine full force twice and wolverine is right back up on the next page which is 3 panels later. Titannus is the same guy who took the hulk out in 3 hits.

(The uncanny x-men 380) wolverine who has no healing factor because of evolutionary takes blast after blast from sinister.( at the end of the fight he regains his healing factor but a fraction of what it was)

(Uncanny x-men #398) a guy uses a high powered flame thrower on wolverine and wolverine just stand there on firer still quite fine and then the guy through to gas grenades at wolverine and the explode making the flames even bigger and wolverine still stand there fine and then fights the guy.

(x-men lost tales 97) wolverine fights his whole team and does pretty dam well. At one point he takes full on blast from banshee,storm ,jean,Cyclopes and is not even KO and keeps on fighting.

(Wolverine CaptainAmerica #2) wolverine has many many bullets in him most likely 100 give or take a few. Wolverine because of the design of the bullets he is unable to heal them and yet he gets back up a few panels later and is up walking around and fights a lady who has 10 times that of a human in every way due to her suit. Spiderman could never take that many bullets and walk around never.

i've read virtually every wolverine issue since morrison's run. those are the relevant issues. i don't care about the seventies, eighties or nineties. characters change. deal with it, stagnation is unbecoming.

wolverine can take nukes then...

and heal from being beheaded

and heal his heart in 3 panals

you just kinda killed your own argument...

LMAO!

I try to stay way from using current Wolverine examples because people are convinced that they are so out of character based on what Wolverine has done in the passed because Marvel wants to appease the so called "Legions of Wolverine fanboys" (aka the half a dozen people on the forum who don't harbor an unnatural hatred for Wolverine).

Either way I can prove my point... so you just take your pick I guess

srank who's head is on superman in your sig?

Originally posted by manorastroman
i've read virtually every wolverine issue since morrison's run. those are the relevant issues. i don't care about the seventies, eighties or nineties. characters change. deal with it, stagnation is unbecoming.

wolverine 32 by mark miller wolveriene survive be heading not once but mulitable times

venom on the run 2. first wolverine heals from being pritty much just a skeleton.

venom on the run 3 wolverine heals from a nuke.

secret war 5 wolverine survive his heart explodeing.
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Originally posted by capt it up
did u just say rarely does those kidna of showings? this is comming from a man who knows nuthing about wolverine and clearly shows it more and mroe with every post.

the orb incident when crap. it was far from the norm. that one of wolverines worse showing ever. but to be fair it likly it was poisoned with a special alien type drug that effected powers.

Do you know for a fact, 100% sure, that the sword was poisoned with a "special alien type drug that effected powers"? Cuz that sounds like a clear assumption and wild speculation. Wolverine can be put down by something like that. It happens.

Originally posted by capt it up
4 computers beat one.............

Originally posted by jinzin
srank who's head is on superman in your sig?

Mine lol

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Rap sheet? What's a rap sheet?

And in the most recent Authority arc, MN'er can be seen single-handedly giving the rest of the team trouble. Hell, he was punking Apollo (see: Superman clone) before they got broken up by people who could actually beat MN'er.

And actually, he does heal faster than normal...but still much slower than Logan.

Still, MN'er takes one look at Logan, and knows exactly what he's capable of and how to beat him. He'll see the claws, the healing, the strength/reflexes...and probably won't be touched by Logan unless he wants to be. And he doesn't have qualms about killing.

He got plenty of sharp/hard stuff in his aresenal (think Batman if he ever went to the dark side), and while it wouldn't damage admantium, he'd mess up Logan's face & body something fierce. And based on more than a few feats, I'd put MN'er around the 3 to 5-ton strength range. Nothing special, but he's more about speed and tactics than about brute force.

...Wolverine has a chance to win this. But I'd give it to MN'er 7/10. And if you read Authority regularly, you'll know I'm being generous to Wolverine. He's definitely well above street level (not that Wolverine isn't, but still...).

IMO, he'll win if he's allowed to use the carriers 'Door' device, other wise i can't seem him killing Wolverine. 🙂

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... you don't know what a rapsheet is?

Anyway you say Apollo is a Superman clone like that some how means anything. What has Apollo ever done that puts him in the same league as Superman? Nothing. Apollo would be lucky to be considered the square root of Superman.

Like I said every single impressive thing MN has done has already been done by Sabretooth but almost always a notch above. Most of MN feats involve beating down second rate ripoffs of established characters... like that somehow makes him impressive.

'What has Apollo ever done that puts him in the same league as Superman? Nothing. Apollo would be lucky to be considered the square root of Superman.'

Agreed

'Like I said every single impressive thing MN has done has already been done by Sabretooth but almost always a notch above.'

Total Bollocks

'Most of MN feats involve beating down second rate ripoffs of established characters... like that somehow makes him impressive.'

Agreed. 🙂

Originally posted by capt it up
4 computers beat one.............

ya thats all nice and such, but wolverine has defeated namor in less then I think 7 pannels before. namor is easiliy apollo equal if not better

'Most of MN feats involve beating down second rate ripoffs of established characters... like that somehow makes him impressive.'

Absolute Bollocks .... Namor couldn't dream of being on a Appolo level. Itd put him on a Gladiator level at least. 🙂

He did sterilise the entire moon, with a Single blast. Thats power Namor couldn't dream of having. 🙂

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Haha...yeah, the one time MN'er jobbed horribly. Can't really think of another time though, so it's kinda unfair to use that one example against him. Wolverine's had his share of both good and bad showings too.

I'd like to think the Regis thing was mild PIS so Jack could take him out (destroying the cities and people and whatnot gave him more cause). But you can use that against MN'er if you like...there's really not an explanation for it.

See, the difference is, I try to stay away from Spidey debates. I like to make my rep elsewhere so I'm not seen as a psycho Spidey-fanboy (which I'm sure I would be if I debated in enough threads...lol). The recent duel with jin was the only exception I can think of in a long while.

But Regis was a Telepath, he pretty much used Midknighters power against him. Its like a the other chess player, hacking into that Chess computer. I don't really see it as Jobbing, just good writing. I don't mind it when a superior character beats one of my favourites, I certainly don't consider it Jobbing. 😕

I think that the usual problem with Wolverine "taking Class 100 hits" is not with Wolverine taking the punch, it's the guy punching. The punches are, in most cases, shown ridicolously lesser what they are actually capable of.

Originally posted by capt it up
also seeing a battle in ur head does not mean u can carry it out. since MN knowledge on wolverine personality is non exsisting. he would not know how wolverine would react he just knows diffrerent senerios. knowing different scenerios does not make u win a battle, it will how ever tell u ur going to lose though lol.

The computer uses a bodily scan to calculate the characters strengths a weaknesses. You'll be surprised what subconscious body language will tell a Super Computer. 🙂