5th Dimension vs Celestials

Originally posted by leonidas
but the question is why? why can't a cosmic entity percieve things in higher dimensional levels. i mentioned the watchers battling across all levels of reality. odin has done something similar.

and again, the 5d imps are nothing to the 10d ones. where does it stop?

Perceiving is one thing, having the power to do something about it is another. For example, when CM went ot the 5th dimension, he perceived it just fine, but he was still nothing to them.

When Thanos had both the IG and the HOTU which are not multiversal, all the abstracts were screwed.

The problem here is that Imp > Celestial by far, and then we have countless imps from a dimension vs a handful of celestials from the standard 616.

I've seen Mxy's power alone, and he's done Infinity gauntlet things under his own power. A full dimension of beings like this is overkill IMO.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Perceiving is one thing, having the power to do something about it is another. For example, when CM went ot the 5th dimension, he perceived it just fine, but he was still nothing to them.

When Thanos had both the IG and the HOTU which are not multiversal, all the abstracts were screwed.

The problem here is that Imp > Celestial by far, and then we have countless imps from a dimension vs a handful of celestials from the standard 616.

I've seen Mxy's power alone, and he's done Infinity gauntlet things under his own power. A full dimension of beings like this is overkill IMO.

True.

Mr Mxy, by himself, has done things that are directly analogous to what Thanos was doing when he had the Infinity Gauntlet, and for that matter has even surpassed such levels.
Moreover the Joker, with 99% of Mxy's power, was also doing feats that were at a level of the IG, and with ease ......and which even went to remaking the universe in his own image and other Parallax level feats.

Consequently, a whole dimension of imps would be the epitome of overkill.

Anyways, more thoughts on the 5th dimension and its imps.
I dredged this up from Wikipedia:

(Im)possible alias?

Marvel Comics' Impossible Man seems to have been modelled after Mxyzptlk, and writers at DC have suggested that the two characters are one and the same: in Superman (volume 2) #50, Mxyzptlk mentions that he's been "having fun with my new fantastic friends" and later mentions getting "back to my four new friends", referring presumably to the Fantastic Four; he also uses the expression "it's blubbering time" (a play on the Thing's standard battle-cry "it's clobbering time"😉, and says that he's been having "a backlog of mayhem in another dimension", probably referring to the Marvel Universe. Mxyzptlk keeps altering his form constantly in this issue, and also changes into a form similar to that of the Impossible Man, and says "Sometimes it's just impossible to remember what I look like from world to world"; the emphasis on "impossible", like with the other keywords "fantastic" and "four", are all written in italic type.

Later on, in 1996, the Impossible Man and Mxyzptlk teamed up in the DC/Marvel crossover story Silver Surfer vs. Superman, in which the two imps combined their powers to swap universes for the Silver Surfer and Superman. Here the power of Impossible Man was more like Mxyzptlk's own reality warping powers, rather than just shapeshifting. In this comic, Mxyzptlk and Impossible Man have a fight where they keep changing into various characters from their respective universe, for instance The Incredible Hulk and Doomsday.

It is interesting to note the allusion that Mxy's in the Marvel universe as well, and once you add this to how he was popping up in all the various DC earths and universes (as well as coming into our reality ...i.e the 'real world'😉 then it opens up interesting questions.

Anyways, I'd say that the imps are close to what the Q-collective/dimension was like in Star Trek.
Remember Q .....the guy who could play footsie with reality and the universe and do anything he wanted, and was a prankster like Mr Mxy was (and probably was based on Mxy since the only thing different about them is looks ....everything else, from the uber powers to the pranks and 'tests,' to the fact that they both really never 'hurt' anyone, to the fact that they stem from some extraneous dimension which is populated with uber-powerful beings like them, to how they plague certain characters ....Mxy with Superman, and Q with Captain Piccard ....the two characters are basically the exact same character in everything BUT appearance, and since both can change appearance then it could be argued that they might be the same exact character).
Who knows .....if DC ever participated in a comic that had Star Trek in it (there were some Star Trek comics I bumped into in the early 90s, but not from DC) then there would be an opportunity to haver a link between Q (the various Qs) and Mr Mxy (and the various imps).
This would be another potential for another interesting allusion.

Originally posted by spetznaz
True.

Mr Mxy, by himself, has done things that are directly analogous to what Thanos was doing when he had the Infinity Gauntlet, and for that matter has even surpassed such levels.
Moreover the Joker, with 99% of Mxy's power, was also doing feats that were at a level of the IG, and with ease ......and which even went to remaking the universe in his own image and other Parallax level feats.

Consequently, a whole dimension of imps would be the epitome of overkill.

Anyways, more thoughts on the 5th dimension and its imps.
I dredged this up from Wikipedia:

[b](Im)possible alias?

Marvel Comics' Impossible Man seems to have been modelled after Mxyzptlk, and writers at DC have suggested that the two characters are one and the same: in Superman (volume 2) #50, Mxyzptlk mentions that he's been "having fun with my new fantastic friends" and later mentions getting "back to my four new friends", referring presumably to the Fantastic Four; he also uses the expression "it's blubbering time" (a play on the Thing's standard battle-cry "it's clobbering time"😉, and says that he's been having "a backlog of mayhem in another dimension", probably referring to the Marvel Universe. Mxyzptlk keeps altering his form constantly in this issue, and also changes into a form similar to that of the Impossible Man, and says "Sometimes it's just impossible to remember what I look like from world to world"; the emphasis on "impossible", like with the other keywords "fantastic" and "four", are all written in italic type.

Later on, in 1996, the Impossible Man and Mxyzptlk teamed up in the DC/Marvel crossover story Silver Surfer vs. Superman, in which the two imps combined their powers to swap universes for the Silver Surfer and Superman. Here the power of Impossible Man was more like Mxyzptlk's own reality warping powers, rather than just shapeshifting. In this comic, Mxyzptlk and Impossible Man have a fight where they keep changing into various characters from their respective universe, for instance The Incredible Hulk and Doomsday.

It is interesting to note the allusion that Mxy's in the Marvel universe as well, and once you add this to how he was popping up in all the various DC earths and universes (as well as coming into our reality ...i.e the 'real world'😉 then it opens up interesting questions.

Anyways, I'd say that the imps are close to what the Q-collective/dimension was like in Star Trek.
Remember Q .....the guy who could play footsie with reality and the universe and do anything he wanted, and was a prankster like Mr Mxy was (and probably was based on Mxy since the only thing different about them is looks ....everything else, from the uber powers to the pranks and 'tests,' to the fact that they both really never 'hurt' anyone, to the fact that they stem from some extraneous dimension which is populated with uber-powerful beings like them, to how they plague certain characters ....Mxy with Superman, and Q with Captain Piccard ....the two characters are basically the exact same character in everything BUT appearance, and since both can change appearance then it could be argued that they might be the same exact character).
Who knows .....if DC ever participated in a comic that had Star Trek in it (there were some Star Trek comics I bumped into in the early 90s, but not from DC) then there would be an opportunity to haver a link between Q (the various Qs) and Mr Mxy (and the various imps).
This would be another potential for another interesting allusion. [/B]

Agreed. I think the Joker saga was modelled after the gauntlet in some ways, such as when he effortlessly modelled the stars to draw Harley Quinns face, and how he manhandled the skyfathers.

given what they've done, i suppose it only stands to reason they could take the celestials. just doesn't make sense. why on earth wouldn't a cosmic being be able to perceive things in 5 dimensions? bah, 'fraid i just don't like the imps (due to the inexplicable nature of their powers) and would love to see them go the way of the classic beyonder. their power should at best be at a universal level as there is a 5th dimension in each universe.

Originally posted by leonidas
given what they've done, i suppose it only stands to reason they could take the celestials. just doesn't make sense. why on earth wouldn't a cosmic being be able to perceive things in 5 dimensions? bah, 'fraid i just don't like the imps (due to the inexplicable nature of their powers) and would love to see them go the way of the classic beyonder. their power should at best be at a universal level as there is a 5th dimension in each universe.

Noooooo poor classic beyonder. 🙁 The imps are pimps they should not go the way of classic beyonder. 🙁

then they should have their powers more properly explained. 🙁

Imps and Looney Toons >>>>> Celestials. You just cant argue against them.

Originally posted by leonidas
then they should have their powers more properly explained. 🙁

Agreed.
I'd just hope that a competent writer handled it.

of course everyone would agree that lt trumps all imps, right . . . 😖hifty: