Wolverine VS Deadpool with a twist.

Thats what it had to be.

Originally posted by Soleran
I have lifted weights for over a decade now and a slight bend in my elbows has never been considered a lift, its grip strength certainly but not a lift so much.

Anyway it has little to do with him losing to Deadpool 😱

try "bending your arm with" holding up as much weight as you can bench in one hand (make sure it's angling) and THEN tell me your not lifting it... 🙄

Originally posted by Soljer
No, I never admitted that he threw it. I pointed out that he didn't, then I pointed out that there were long, drawn out arguments concerning whether he threw it or not, and then I pointed out that IF he truly threw it, it was inconsistant writing. Oh, and Batman has broken out of restraints with zero leverage as well, thanks for proving my point for me. Oh, and wasn't wolverine running around with six men on his shoulders? I can't recall exactly, but I thought it was half a dozen, rather than a dozen. Regardless of which it is, running with ten men's weight on you is nothing Cap couldn't pull off. The man was casually chatting as he pressed 1100 pounds. Any powerlifter, or hell, anyone that has ever been under the bar knows that if you can casually chat, the weight it probably less than half your max.

and please post what exactly you're reffering to as far as batman goes...

the man has struggled and had to use his legs to pull chains apart that held him to a wall in arkem.

wolverine easily pried himself out of restraints designed to hold down bears in weapon x. using just his arms...

ther should be no question to wolverin ehaving superhuman strength.
however you were right about the dozen men thing.. there's 7 or 8 but he IS doing with with one arm which is incredibly impressive...

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh, and as for the "nu-uh" argument, I'm sorry Jinzin, I really like your posts, and I respect you around here, but the burden of proof falls on you, and Capt it up as far as wolvie's super strength goes. Don't whip out logical fallacies on me.

well that's where you're right and wrong..

the burdern of proof DID lie on our shoulders... it did.. back when we first made the claims to superhuman levels of strength, and we provided that proof.. and plenty of it... numerous times... evidence, after evidence, after evidence that places wolverine at levels above the scope of human capability.. even for a peak...

Now we've set the bar, we've set a standard, and the burden of proof lies on you to show that the standard isn't reliable... so far there's been nothing to suggest such.. you need evidence to support the claim that wolverine doesn't have superhuman strength....
or rather, some evidence that supports him to have physical limitations induced by human level strength.. so far every time wolverine's had to prove his own strength, he does so, and does it in superhuman fasion.. no.. right now the burden of proof lies on you... not you nor anyone who has tried arguing this point has been succesful before.. but I'm open-minded about this...

Originally posted by Soljer
To THIS, I have to concede to, as I have stated multiple times, I know little of Roughhouse. Wiki is the only resource I had at my disposal, as I couldn't find him in the marvel directory or through google. Obviously someone thinks the comics elluded to his rock troll descent, are you SURE of otherwise? I haven't seen any feats on his part that put him at hulk level, either. Especially the fact that he can spar with wolverine, while the Hulk tears wolverine apart. (literally, in the ultimate universe, at least. 😉 ) And yes, Im aware that there are Wolverine victories against the hulk, I am using a bit of hyperbole. Gimme a break.

I'm quite sure...
roughouse has lifted a 30-40 ton C.A.T. easily with one arm.... and in wolverine's defense of hulk.. hulk has a regenerative healing factor better than wolverine's... otherwise hulk would most likely lose many of their fights too....

Originally posted by Soljer
As for the rest of your disputing my arguments with respect to the fights in the comics. I readily admit that those aren't 100% wins for Deadpool. Obviously. However, they do showcase his prowess, and his advantages over Wolverine, including speed, and healing factor.

Originally posted by Soljer
And, if my reasoning is Bull, then what was yours? I said Deadpool would pull the majority because of better speed, strength, healing, and approximately equal skill. Their previous fights were only brought up when someone posted a picture of Wolverine 'getting the better' of deadpool, right before he was beaten.

this I do apologize for. I didn't see your primary argument.. I only saw your posts after that pic got brought up and when you continued to bring up past fights it made you look like that was your reasoning for DP winning this (to me I mean, for having missed your first post).... sorry.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Thats what it had to be.

let me give you a little taste of why jinzin owns! 😛

http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max0006jpga4uc.jpg

All the Batman stuffs here.
http://members.tripod.com/agent0x7/dkstrength.html

Originally posted by jinzin
❌

let me give you a little taste of why jinzin owns! 😛

http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max0006jpga4uc.jpg

Okay.

Why'd everyone think it was the other then?

It wasn't just Draco on this board, people on other borads have said it too.

as for wolverine's strength..
wolverine in weapon x is said to be capible of snapping human bones as easily as pencils.. quite literally...

back in WW2 he was said to be NEAR caps level as it was....

AND it's also of note that wolverine DID undergo chemical enhancements during the weapon x project...

the chemical enhancements reduced his body fat and increased his mass and strength capacity three fold...

in thunderbolts 3 or 4 wolverine's described as having superhuman strength

wolverine's jumping ability necessitates that he has superhuman strength

really how much more proof is needed to negotiate a moot point.. 🤨

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Okay.

Why'd everyone think it was the other then?

It wasn't just Draco on this board, people on other borads have said it too.

Originally posted by jinzin
as for wolverine's strength..
wolverine in weapon x is said to be capible of snapping human bones as easily as pencils.. quite literally...

back in WW2 he was said to be NEAR caps level as it was....

AND it's also of note that wolverine DID undergo chemical enhancements during the weapon x project...

the chemical enhancements reduced his body fat and increased his mass and strength capacity three fold...

in thunderbolts 3 or 4 wolverine's described as having superhuman strength

I see you've been doing research.😆

Now I must go check these issues. 📖

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
All the Batman stuffs here.
http://members.tripod.com/agent0x7/dkstrength.html

i've seen all that.. i don't see what soljer was talkin about... the only thing that's comparible is when batman was chained up in arkem and had to pull with his legs to break the restraints from the wall..

impressive shit though.. gotsta luv that backick.. "so long car hood"

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I see you've been doing research.😆

nah, I just knows me my shit on the wolverine...

i honestly don't know why this has persisted so long.. I mean.. the guy can break a dinosaur with his bare hands..

http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00206rv.jpg

I think one huge problem with what we are discussing is semantics. I'm not saying that Wolverine isn't as strong as he is. I am saying that his strength does not dictate 'super-human.' Cap has similar feats, as I've pointed out, and even Batman has some pretty impressive things going for him. I consider Captain America and Wolverine approximately equal in strength, at peak-human, however, I consider 'peak-human' to be far more than the standard "800 pound" rule we hear thrown around.

Cap's feats show that he is much higher than "800 pounds" and wolverine's feats are similar. I don't, however, believe he is superhuman into the "Class" ranges. Maybe "class 1" at most, around the same strength I would approximate Captain America.

As far as THIS thread is concerned, however, it doesn't matter where we place wolverine, because it is almost universally received that deadpool is stronger. If we want to continue debating Wolverine's strength in general, or with respect to batman/Captain america, I'm sure another thread would facilitate.

I have truly enjoyed debating with you, however, Jinzin. I can see why you earn respect around these boards. (Even though, as far as is condusive to the thread, we have been on the same side. Kind of Ironic.)

Originally posted by Soljer
If we want to continue debating Wolverine's strength in general, or with respect to batman/Captain america, I'm sure another thread would facilitate.

😛

Originally posted by Soljer
I think one huge problem with what we are discussing is semantics. I'm not saying that Wolverine isn't as strong as he is. I am saying that his strength does not dictate 'super-human.' Cap has similar feats, as I've pointed out, and even Batman has some pretty impressive things going for him. I consider Captain America and Wolverine approximately equal in strength, at peak-human, however, I consider 'peak-human' to be far more than the standard "800 pound" rule we hear thrown around.
Cap's feats show that he is much higher than "800 pounds" and wolverine's feats are similar. I don't, however, believe he is superhuman into the "Class" ranges. Maybe "class 1" at most, around the same strength I would approximate Captain America. .

see this is the thing though... until i see captain america throwing or lifting 1,000 pounds with one arm wolverine's strength still tops his own...
also, there's the fact that I just pointed out, wolverine and cap had a mission together in WW2, wolverine was regarded to be in caps league even back then, then in weapon x his muscle mass and output capacity increased 3 fold... I used to be in the same boat thinking he was peak human but he's a class above and there's just too much evidence to support this to ignore IMO.

Originally posted by Soljer
I have truly enjoyed debating with you, however, Jinzin. I can see why you earn respect around these boards. (Even though, as far as is condusive to the thread, we have been on the same side. Kind of Ironic.)

thanks for the compliment..

lol... yeah I do that sometimes...

Heres Cap benching 2200.
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav1402ocd045do.jpg

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Heres Cap benching 2200.
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav1402ocd045do.jpg

True it is debatable.

Heres the Big Burtha feat he was talking about.

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wca064212pj.jpg

that's a HUUUUUGE *****...

still though.. not really comparible to wolvie higher end feats.. i think the most he's been seen curling is like 300 pounds or so....

the elevator lifting feat trumps that by far.

Well we don't know if he lifted it or caught it in mid point to where it looked as if he was.

We also don't know how long he was holding it for.

It coulda been just a few seconds or it could been for minutes.

I'd say considering the that wolverine comments about having to hold on to it for a bit and that he also comments on his muscles straining, the feat kinda speaks for itself...

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Heres Cap benching 2200.
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav1402ocd045do.jpg