Originally posted by jinzin
🙄 and half of those aren't even useable considering the plot devices that deadpool had going for him...those same plot devices he sure as hell isn't guarenteed in a forum fight...
I'd love more information on the "plot devices" in regards to each of those fights if you could indulge me please..
Originally posted by Soleran
So now Wolverine is strong enough to curl that amount of weight? He was using far more muscles then are used in curling and he was holding it not lifting it there is a HUGE difference.In the end Wolverine and DP are very similar I still say Wade. Its not that either are exceptionally more skilled or powerful then the other just DP would find it to be more of a game and would enjoy it far far to much as would I reading it actually lol.
the elbow is bent in the first panel.. it's clearly a lifting feat as much as a holding one....
Originally posted by KharmaDog
So you are claiming PIS in a wolverine plot that doesn't work to wolvie's benefit?And capt it up, please use spellcheck, when you don't you embarrass yourself and look foolish while trying to intelligently defend your position.
iut ahs nuthing to do with it not being in wolverine benefit. that fact is a crapy working healing factor wolverine is useless to use as evidence since in the forum fight his healing factor will be at peak which it clearl was far far below peak in that fight. wolverine also if u read the issue tlaks about how bad his healing factor is.
how do u use the dart fight as good evidence? thats not DP standered equiptment it was the only time DP ever used them and DP had months of one sided prep.
Originally posted by capt it up
Please tell me what I have tried to say that was PIS?iut ahs nuthing to do with it not being in wolverine benefit. that fact is a crapy working healing factor wolverine is useless to use as evidence since in the forum fight his healing factor will be at peak which it clearl was far far below peak in that fight. wolverine also if u read the issue tlaks about how bad his healing factor is.
how do u use the dart fight as good evidence? thats not DP standered equiptment it was the only time DP ever used them and DP had months of one sided prep.
And capt it up, please use spellcheck, when you don't, you embarrass yourself and look foolish while trying to intelligently defend your position
Originally posted by Soljer
I am aware of the opinion opposite mine, in fact I remember a long, drawn out discussion on whether Logan truly 'pitched' that dumpster, probably right around the time that comic came out, either here or the SuperHeroChat forums. Regardless, this feat is disputable, and I don't want to be one of those who scream out "PIS" to debate an argument, but it is very possible that this is just that. Baseball pitching a 1,600 pound dumpster, if he truly pitched it, without a second thought? Compared to EVERY other feat he has EVER shown to be capable of, this would be the greatest. Everything else, he looked to exert himself in, strain in a bit, but pitching 4/5 of a ton at someone like it was a baseball? I smell inconsistant writing.
okay that's all I was looking for...
as for inconsistand writing?
I really don't see how...
every strength feat proves wolverine has strength far greater than simple human capabilities...
he's broken out of restraints where he had 0 leverage on half a dozen occasions...
in wolverine one he's running around with over a dozen men on his shoulders and he's doing it like nothing....
we keep supplying strength feats and all you guys can do is say "nu-uh".... it's ridiculous... try to find AS MANY feats where logan's strength is insufficent to do something that's equivolent to the feats that we've posted.. then this can be debated.. untill then it remains a 'nu-uh' argument.
Originally posted by SoljerI'm not so sure wiki's the best place to go to find OFFICIAL information on an obscure character.. 😕
As I said before, I don't know too much about Roughhouse, so I went ahead and Wiki'd him, which said his 'powers' come from his Asgardian Rock Troll descent. Putting him at roughly class 25 with durability comparable to that of a Rock Troll. Doesn't sound hulk-level to me....
I have every roughouse appearance and he's never been indicated to have rock troll descent... infact the only time his history was pointed out was in a fight with logan where logan assume that he comes from a land with ice giants and rock trolls.. he doen't however say roughouse is born of one... nothin does...
Originally posted by Soljer
Yes, because he put a sword through wolverine's shoulder. This pinned him to the wall, at least for the moment, as we saw Wolverine had to work the sword out.
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did we now? cause as I remember it he got the sword stuck in him and no sooner did that happen did wolverine take notice to the giant hulking monster behind deadpool.... when he pulled the sword out he did it with ease... there was relatively no work involved... since it was fast enough to react to the werewolf before he even landed one punch...
Originally posted by Soljer
That would have left plenty of time for Deadpool to use his partner sword to slice up wolvie, and leave him for his healing factor to rectify.
how so? it didn't work for the beast... 😕
Originally posted by Soljer
As for the tranq darts, how is shooting a few tranqs at close range any different than impaling Wolvie on his swords at the same distance, or firing numerous rounds of ammunition into him?
because ammunition shot into wolverine does about jack shit 90% of the time and that's when he's taking fire from literallydozens of assailants or more... same with swords.... silver samurai tried to chop wolverine's neck.. wolverine broke his arm, in jungle adventure wolverine's ran through with a spear he just pulls it out calmly like nothing happened... in wolverine 25 he fights 5,000 ninjas and none of the hacking cutting or stabbing they do effects him, in wolverine 42 he takes arrows from 100 bows and keeps running, in wolverine mini 1 he takes multiple shots from shingen and just pulls the sword closer to him....
tranqs that are enough to put down a t-rex are a LOT different than the aformentioned weapons.. how you're baffled by the diffeence between them is absurd...
Originally posted by Soljer
He had the opening to win, and he could have taken it with a sword, with guns, or with tranqs. Tranqs was just the quickest, easiest, and the most condusive to the plot.
Originally posted by Soljerno you're missing the point.. if deadpool took the advantage in fights using plot devices that he isn't guaranteed here than that's not good evidence to use for him winning a forum fight..
Anyway, you are still missing the point. Deadpool has had the upperhand in their fights more often than not.
example: wolverine dropped a tree on ghost rider and GR exploded.. obviously wolverine would win in a fight right?
WRONG...
Originally posted by Soljerto this I agree, hell I stated that deadpool wins in my first post.. but your reasoning for why is total bullocks.
He is stronger, faster, and has a better healing factor. Logan has more experience than Deadpool, but not enough more to unbalance Deadpool's advantages.
Deadpool 7/10.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I'd love more information on the "plot devices" in regards to each of those fights if you could indulge me please..
in the one where deadpool stabbed logan through the heart.. wolverine had a bone skeleton.. he doesn't have one now.. makes putting swords through him trickier...
wolverine was still sufffering from some of the effects of the drugs that cyber had stuffed him with a couple months before..
wolverine's healing factor was still barely working right as a result from having had his admantium just pulled out of him..
does that sound NEARLY equivolent to an admantiumized wolverine with a working healing factor?
hell in weapon x wolverine's healing factor starts forming skin around the instruments being used to open him up, so the doctors are forced to work quickly, in that fight his healing factor was so terrible that unsheathing his claws made his hands bleed for minutes after he put them back in... it's incomparible...
in their other fight, deadpool had a gang of people ambush wolverine.. he just survived an explosion that leveled a building and he just took out a superhuman assassin.. deadpool showed up and wolverine was beating him down until deadpool kicked him off and then loaded him with enough tranquilizer to put down a t-rex.. tranquilizer that was specifically designed to put down wolverine by the SCURGE...
Originally posted by Soljer
I did give numerous reasons for Wade's victory. Read my original post.Oh, and he didn't "toss" the dumpster with one hand, he pushed it. Examine that comic again, if you don't see it, get your eyes checked.
Originally posted by Soljer
A 1000 pound shark is nothing Captain America couldn't manage.
Please prove Captain America could do this feat. Captain Americas best lift feat was bench 1,100 pounds.
That’s shark weights that same amount as Captain Americas best lifting feat. The thing that makes this some thing Captain America could never do is simple. Do u know how hard it is to lift some thing over u head when your in the water? Let’s say you bench 200 pounds. If u could bench 200 pounds you could not possible hold that over your head out of the water. You could not even hold 100 pounds over u head out of the water since u have nothing solid for u to stand on. Also here the kicker too, wolverine did not just lift it out of the water he flung it into the boat do u know how much stronger he have to be if u add in the fact he had to fling the heaver end up and over by grabbing the lighter end? It would have been easier to grab the heaver end to do it be u would not nearly have as much trouble. This shark feat alone put wolverine well over 1,000 pounds. Wolverine would need about 2500 pounds or more of lifting strength to do such a thing. Also this is me understating what kind of strength he would need, to be honest he need to be stronger then that.
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthfeatskarkstyle9jl.jpg
Originally posted by Soljer
Punching someone so hard they break concrete....heh, Batman has pulled off better than that before.
When Batman has ever punch a guy and had the guy fly 5 feet back wards and then had the guys head go through concrete? The best part of this is when u add in the fact wolverine was under water makes this feat much more impressive. Also I like to see prove of batman doing a feat like that.
Originally posted by Soljer
I can't speak about rough-house, I have neither read that comic, nor do I know his 'official' stats. However, strength means little compared to durability. What is Rough-houses durability? Someone of super-man strength would be felled by a single punch from Adamantium-wolverine if he had standard durability.
Originally posted by Soljer
Again, none of these feats are truly 'super-human' in the comic sense. In the real world? Yeah, but in comics? Hell no. Batman and Captain America have managed comparable things. Neither are Super-Human in any way shape or form, by the Comic's gauge.
In ( x-men # 98) which is the 6th issue of x-men that wolverine was ever in. wolverine breaks holding of what were said to be unbreakable using just his strength because some guy this jean.
When has Captain America or Batman or DP done some thing like these two feats above?
Originally posted by jinzin
the elbow is bent in the first panel.. it's clearly a lifting feat as much as a holding one....
I have lifted weights for over a decade now and a slight bend in my elbows has never been considered a lift, its grip strength certainly but not a lift so much.
Anyway it has little to do with him losing to Deadpool 😱
Originally posted by jinzin
so you concede to the fact that he threw it then?okay that's all I was looking for...
as for inconsistand writing?
I really don't see how...
every strength feat proves wolverine has strength far greater than simple human capabilities...
he's broken out of restraints where he had 0 leverage on half a dozen occasions...
in wolverine one he's running around with over a dozen men on his shoulders and he's doing it like nothing....we keep supplying strength feats and all you guys can do is say "nu-uh".... it's ridiculous... try to find AS MANY feats where logan's strength is insufficent to do something that's equivolent to the feats that we've posted.. then this can be debated.. untill then it remains a 'nu-uh' argument.
No, I never admitted that he threw it. I pointed out that he didn't, then I pointed out that there were long, drawn out arguments concerning whether he threw it or not, and then I pointed out that IF he truly threw it, it was inconsistant writing. Oh, and Batman has broken out of restraints with zero leverage as well, thanks for proving my point for me. Oh, and wasn't wolverine running around with six men on his shoulders? I can't recall exactly, but I thought it was half a dozen, rather than a dozen. Regardless of which it is, running with ten men's weight on you is nothing Cap couldn't pull off. The man was casually chatting as he pressed 1100 pounds. Any powerlifter, or hell, anyone that has ever been under the bar knows that if you can casually chat, the weight it probably less than half your max.
Oh, and as for the "nu-uh" argument, I'm sorry Jinzin, I really like your posts, and I respect you around here, but the burden of proof falls on you, and Capt it up as far as wolvie's super strength goes. Don't whip out logical fallacies on me.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not so sure wiki's the best place to go to find OFFICIAL information on an obscure character.. 😕I have every roughouse appearance and he's never been indicated to have rock troll descent... infact the only time his history was pointed out was in a fight with logan where logan assume that he comes from a land with ice giants and rock trolls.. he doen't however say roughouse is born of one... nothin does...
As for the rest of your disputing my arguments with respect to the fights in the comics. I readily admit that those aren't 100% wins for Deadpool. Obviously. However, they do showcase his prowess, and his advantages over Wolverine, including speed, and healing factor.
Originally posted by jinzin
to this I agree, hell I stated that deadpool wins in my first post.. but your reasoning for why is total bullocks.
And, if my reasoning is Bull, then what was yours? I said Deadpool would pull the majority because of better speed, strength, healing, and approximately equal skill. Their previous fights were only brought up when someone posted a picture of Wolverine 'getting the better' of deadpool, right before he was beaten.
Originally posted by capt it up
Get my eyes check? You my friend need to get your eyes checked not me.
Wolverine clearly throws it. The trash dumpster is clearly airborne.
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinesoldstats0xj.jpg
You do realize that that link states the following:
Strength: Enhanced Human
Speed: Athlete
Agility: Enhanced Human
Reflexes: Enhanced Human
The evidence you put forth to advance your argument actually goes against most of the feats that you claim make Logan so powerful.
A character with Enhanced Human strength should not be able to cause any damage whatsoever to a character like Hulk.
A character with merely athlete level speed should not come close to laying a hand on such a character a spiderman.
A character with Enhanced Human Agility should not be able to touch Beast or spidey.
A character with Enhanced Human Reflexes is still much slower than many of the opponents that he seems to engage.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
You do realize that that link states the following:Strength: Enhanced Human
Speed: Athlete
Agility: Enhanced Human
Reflexes: Enhanced HumanThe evidence you put forth to advance your argument actually goes against most of the feats that you claim make Logan so powerful.
A character with Enhanced Human strength should not be able to cause any damage whatsoever to a character like Hulk.
A character with merely athlete level speed should not come close to laying a hand on such a character a spiderman.
A character with Enhanced Human Agility should not be able to touch Beast or spidey.
A character with Enhanced Human Reflexes is still much slower than many of the opponents that he seems to engage.
also that is a very old old power listing
PS I switch the link now look. also thank u for telling me
Originally posted by capt it up
Get my eyes check? You my friend need to get your eyes checked not me.
Wolverine clearly throws it. The trash dumpster is clearly airborne.
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinesoldstats0xj.jpg
Originally posted by capt it up
Please prove Captain America could do this feat. Captain Americas best lift feat was bench 1,100 pounds.
Originally posted by capt it up
That’s shark weights that same amount as Captain Americas best lifting feat. The thing that makes this some thing Captain America could never do is simple. Do u know how hard it is to lift some thing over u head when your in the water? Let’s say you bench 200 pounds. If u could bench 200 pounds you could not possible hold that over your head out of the water. You could not even hold 100 pounds over u head out of the water since u have nothing solid for u to stand on. Also here the kicker too, wolverine did not just lift it out of the water he flung it into the boat do u know how much stronger he have to be if u add in the fact he had to fling the heaver end up and over by grabbing the lighter end? It would have been easier to grab the heaver end to do it be u would not nearly have as much trouble. This shark feat alone put wolverine well over 1,000 pounds. Wolverine would need about 2500 pounds or more of lifting strength to do such a thing. Also this is me understating what kind of strength he would need, to be honest he need to be stronger then that.
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthfeatskarkstyle9jl.jpg
Much easier than tossing big bertha as if she were a medicine ball.
Originally posted by capt it up
When Batman has ever punch a guy and had the guy fly 5 feet back wards and then had the guys head go through concrete? The best part of this is when u add in the fact wolverine was under water makes this feat much more impressive. Also I like to see prove of batman doing a feat like that.
Originally posted by capt it up
lol sorry about that. I have all my stuff saved in one place and I can't see the pics so every once in a while I grab the wrong link my bad.also that is a very old old power listing
PS I switch the link now look. also thank u for telling me
My question is, why would it matter if its old?
