The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

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"Once the sith lords who chose to participate arrived on Nathema, he dominated their minds and crushed their resistance. He turned them into slaves to his will, forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith Sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. HE fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. Every man, woman and child on Nathema died that day. All insects, birds, plants. When the ritual ended, Nathema was no longer a world. Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born."

Definitely seems like exactly what happened to Nihilus on Katarr. One wonders if Nihilus would have been immortal had a wound not stopped him. One also wonders if the Emperor was born as a wound in the force and if another wound wasn't the key. But since the Exile had no effect on him, I guess not. It seems though that the sith emperor is an exact copy of Nihilus, without the side effects.

Edit: IT would also seem like Drew doesn't proof read his own work. If he was born a few decades before the hyperspace war, then how could he have been on a planet for a hundred years right up until Ragnos died and the GHW was initiated? And also, how could he be under 1,000 years? Damn you Drew.

Originally posted by Zampanó

Okay, many people have different tastes in entertainment. You should know, however, that there is enough variance within the franchise that I believe everyone can find at least one episode to enjoy. I would wager that you would enjoy the hell out of an episode (from the Tennant years) called "Midnight."

If you watch that episode in its entirety, and offer honest feedback, I will endeavor to track down a media experience of your choice of comparable duration.

I'll attempt to track it down then. Hopefully on Netflix.

Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
I managed to secure a slightly-early copy of Revan and have posted spoilers if anyone's interested at Janus's place for anyone's enjoyment. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

~G

Bring your own lube.

Not sure lube would help Gideon to comprehend that is the awesome, and completely ridiculous power of the sith emperor.

lol

Spoiler:

"Scourge became obsessed with Revan. The Jedi's command of and connection to the Force was unlike anything Scourge had sensed in anyone else. After years of studying him, Scourge had come to understand why the Jedi had such a fearsome reputation among the Sith. With men and women like Revan in their ranks, it was easy to see how they had beaten back the Sith invasion a thousand years earlier. And it confirmed what he already suspected: the Emperor's plan to launch another invasion against the Republic at this point in time was tantamount to suicide."

... Which it's important to point out that he's drawing a conclusion from one sample.

Not exactly. Out of all the force users he has ever been around, he states that Revan seems to be the most impressive.. Until he meets the Emperor. And since he has spoken to Revan for 3-4 years, I think it's a valid opinion.

The exile also states as much concerning Revan's power being second to none out of all the force users she's ever encountered.

Spoiler:
So Revan has spent 3-4 years in a cell belonging to Lord Scourge and Darth Nyriss who was the most powerful member of the Dark Council. After the Exile and Scourge free him, they end up getting owned by Nyriss with force lightning and other force maneuvers. As she prepares for the killing blow with force lightning, Revan steps in and absorbs all of the force lightning, saying "I am Revan reborn, before me you are nothing." So the lightning he absorbed gets sent back to her. "The lightning engulfed her, the intense heat consuming her instantly, leaving only a pile of charred ash."

So Revan, coming out of a cell which he didn't leave for 3-4 years, just wtfpwned the most powerful member of the dark council. "Whatever the reason, scourge was more confident that he made the right choice. If anyone had the strength to stop the Emperor, it was this man."

Spoiler:
The emperor single handedly killed all the other remaining 11 members of the dark council and replaced them with his own followers who supported his eventual war with the republic.

Spoiler:
Revan speaking:

"When the Emperor broke my will, he looked into my mind, and Iwas able to see the reflection of his own evil. Invading the Republic is only the first step of his plan. HE has become obsessed with power and immortality. The dark side is like a cancer inside him; it grows faster than he can feed it. He has consumed an entire world, but he still hungers. And with his hunger, comes an all consuming fear. He has lived a thousand years, he knows he could live many thousands more. He is terrified of death."
Later on:
"This time I know his tricks and tactics, I can shield my mind from being dominated by his will, and I can show you how to do the same."

Spoiler:
During his fight with the Emperor:

The emperor was trying to crush his will; to dominate and enslave his mind as he had before. This time, however, Revan was ready. Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the force, letting both the ligt and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the force, he released it in his purest form. There was brilliant flash as the air between the two combatants lit up. The energy unleashed was powerful enough to send Revan staggering. The emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan's mind, was sent flying backward.
Revan then sends the Emperor flying back again when he diverted sith lightning back at him. After that:
A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him (force storm). Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been. "

Spoiler:
After Scourge helps the Emperor defeat Revan and kills the Exile because of an idiotic self fulfilling prophecy only Drew could come up with, he becomes the Emperor's wrath and has a ritual performed on him to grant him eternal life by the Emperor.

So I guess this is the immortality Sidious and Plagueis spent their lives searching for, and failing.
Also, Revan gets put in stasis in a hidden prison while the Emperor feeds off him, and the Exile lets Revan feed off her, which helps Revan keep the Emperor at bay. It is then stated that Revan was mentally strong enough to wage war against the emperor by himself.
"And Revan knew something the Emperor did not. The connection between them went both ways. There were brief moments, times when the Emperor was intently focused on something else, when he could subvert their relationship by planting seeds in the Emperor's thoughts. Revan played on the Emperor's caution and patience, constantly pushing them to the forefront of his enemy's mind. At every opportunity, he reinforced the idea that invading the Republic was reckless and dangerous."

Ugh. Sounds terrible. Have you ever noticed how these powers and abilities are never described in function--just that "they happen, they're used, f*ck details."

Well, I'm done with the book. Still give it a 2/10 because most of it was retarded filler and Drew didn't have the sense to make it into 2-3 books. Also, the fate of Revan and the Exile was so retarded and anticlimatic. Revan goes to the sith emperor's home world, gets captured and sits in prison for 3-4 years. Within a week he fights the emperor and gets put into stasis. Seriously?

The exile basically goes to the emperor's homeworld, then dromund kaas, then dies. Wow Drew, what an imagination! About the only good thing in this book was the description of the sith emperor and some of his history (as idiotic as it is), and Revan's powers. Definitely reaffirms the fact that Revan is the most powerful force user not named the sith emperor, during that entire time period.

2/10. You suck, Drew.

Hmm... So Revan reduces someone to ash with lightning... That's kinda cool. Who else besides Palpatine has done this?

Still the rest sounds pretty bad.

Originally posted by ares834
Hmm... So Revan reduces someone to ash with lightning... That's kinda cool. Who else besides Palpatine has done this?

Still the rest sounds pretty bad.

He absorbs Darth Nyriss' force storm and deflects it back killing her instantly. He tried that with the sith emperor and got wtfpwned. I guess he learned the force storm somewhere during his travels to the true sith empire because that's two users who have that power.

Does any of this re-frame the way that Bane revered Revan?

In a way. Scourge revered Revan as well for his incredible knowledge of the force, both light and dark side, and his bravery.

Originally posted by Zampanó
No. It is unequivocally a different timeline.

my first reaction: SQUEEE!
my second reaction: *Googles*
my third reaction: *cautiously optimistic*
I'm all in favor of an increased media profile, and a film will certainly achieve that. In general, I've found that Doctor Who fans (or "Whovians"😉 are unbearably elitist and smug. The number of times I've read dismissive posts about "the casual viewer" in the less than 3 months of online participation in the franchise is staggering.

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(Unsurprisingly, then, Ush's posts in the Doctor Who thread typify the fandom.)

That you felt the need to put that in a spoiler pretty much betrays your intent here. You've been sniping at me for a long time and now it is a formal warning on your profile; do it again and it is a ban.

Quite aside from anything else, my posts in the Who forum are not remotely like what you say. I have never at any point dismissed the casual viewer- to the contrary, when we talked I said that casuals were vital to the show's success and the series needs to bear them in mind. That you feel the need to bring such an untruthful implication as part of your apparent vendetta against me is saddening but unsurprising.

As a reminder to people, this thread is still on watch for closure so anyone feeling the need to discuss this should do it by PM as I suspect otherwise this thread will indeed be closed, permanently if need be. Anyone trying to discuss this in-thread will be warned.