Originally posted by Nephthys
Its precisely because no-one knows anything about them. There's also the argument that the characters aren't actually Sith. I personally dislike the whole concept myself.
Sith regularly diss their rivals and other Sith sects, that's nothing new. I kinda like that aspect, personally ^^
Krayt got taught by the holocron of one of the original 12 Sith, and decided to do things his way rather than mimicing what came before exactly. IMO, that's more Sithy than just trying to replicate Sidious (a good Sith does what's necessary for power, and shouldn't be constrained by tradition. Once the enemy is ready for one method, you must switch to another).
And don't even get me started on the Fate of the Jedi Lost Sith bullshit.
Not a fan of the Lost Tribe? 🙂
I do wonder how exactly they're supposed to have so many force users from one place. The Jedi and Sith (be it One Sith or TOR Empire) recruit from across the galaxy, but the Tribe gets thousands of force users all from one place, some of them reasonably strong? Seems off.
The Witches of Dathomir have some numbers too, but not that many, and most of them are fairly weak. Heck, way way back in the original Sith empire on Korriban, you had a fairly small number of lords, and it wasn't long before they were recruiting from a star cluster rather than one world either.
Originally posted by REXXXX
Yeah I haven't paid too much attention to that.As far as Darth Krayt conquering the Galaxy... he comes into power when even the Jedi Order is split against itself, and the Galactic Alliance is struggling to maintain control. And there are a metric ton of Dark Siders thrown in.
Considering Sidious did it mostly by himself, with the occasional help of an apprentice or some other pawn, it still is impressive.
Definitely, though the only reason the Jedi have problems and the GA is struggling with control in Legacy is because of a plague released by one of the Sith he personally trained.
Before the Sith struck, the Jedi was united and the GA was stable, and they were scattered and broken due to the direct actions of Krayt.
Personally, I like how a lot of the old stuff still matters- like, due to the knowledge of what happened in the PT, the Jedi have hiding places ready just in case. A lot of the better EU Imperial have a clear legacy in how the Fel Empire acts. And it manages to capture the SW feel better than the Jacen fall and all that stuff, and they win in the end due to Cade finally taking up Luke's Legacy and Gar Stazi following the Rebellion's.
Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
Doesn't having a load of Sith running around kinda make things worse? I mean, that's why Bane invented the Rule of Two anyways, because Revan gave him the whole 'one master, one apprentice' thingy.
It can, but remember that Bane implemented that after seeing Kaan's council, where they pretended at equality and the whole politics things made Kaan hesitate to go all-out with the darkside knowledge Bane was dropping because Kaan feared it'd jeopardize his position. And also knowing of the times in the past where multiple weaker sith ganged up on one stronger one. In short, alliance between Sith and that kind of thing are unstable, and can actually cause people to suppress power. Peers and rivals are a problem.
Krayt's the sole source of all the Sith in the One Sith, he either trained them or trained their trainers, and made sure the Sith are very loyal to the concept of all Sith following one will. In turn, he was able to trust them with Sith knowledge and even send them out to seek more and be able to (correctly) count on them returning it to him. The only one to try a rebellion did so when he thought that Krayt could no longer live up to Krayt's ideals, and was really, really strong himself. And then the other Sith were willing to follow whoever won the duel.
The traditional Sith infighting wasn't present, to an extent that surprised even some of the Sith.
Krayt did a large group of Sith right, with far more control than the Brotherhood of Darkness or the like.
Originally posted by Q99
Sith regularly diss their rivals and other Sith sects, that's nothing new. I kinda like that aspect, personally ^^
I meant more that myself and others don't see them as real Sith.
Originally posted by Q99
Krayt got taught by the holocron of one of the original 12 Sith, and decided to do things his way rather than mimicing what came before exactly. IMO, that's more Sithy than just trying to replicate Sidious (a good Sith does what's necessary for power, and shouldn't be constrained by tradition. Once the enemy is ready for one method, you must switch to another).
..... which gets harder to argue when you say stuff like this.
Originally posted by Q99
Not a fan of the Lost Tribe? 🙂
Not a fan of the OT being shat on and stamped into the dirt, no.
Originally posted by Q99
I do wonder how exactly they're supposed to have so many force users from one place. The Jedi and Sith (be it One Sith or TOR Empire) recruit from across the galaxy, but the Tribe gets thousands of force users all from one place, some of them reasonably strong? Seems off.The Witches of Dathomir have some numbers too, but not that many, and most of them are fairly weak. Heck, way way back in the original Sith empire on Korriban, you had a fairly small number of lords, and it wasn't long before they were recruiting from a star cluster rather than one world either.
Lots of Sith blood throughout the place. Since the Sith are a naturally Force sensitive race it makes their chances much higher.
Originally posted by REXXXX
That's quite a way to go, Arhael. Well-written. What book is that?
We need more Legacy fans, most threads with them end up with me just trying to establish the baseline of their power (I don't know why there's a tendency to assume that the era is just weaker).
but the Tribe gets thousands of force users all from one place, some of them reasonably strong? Seems off.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lots of Sith blood throughout the place. Since the Sith are a naturally Force sensitive race it makes their chances much higher.
Yea, though even so they must've been training those with very weak force potential.
I suppose being insular lead to large number, lack of outside threats to winnow numbers let them grow, and they were somewhat restrained in their infighting.
Arhael
After Apocalypse I would have been half way through this era..., if material was novelized. I read books on my phone. While for me it is the most comfortable way of reading, even better than real books, comics aren't exactly comfortable to slide through on a small screen.
Pretty unlikely, the comic and book sides aren't the most friendly, they mostly only do the same thing when they're both adapting some movie or video game. Otherwise Dark Horse prefers to work in areas where Del Ray isn't currently doing stuff.
Though I hear ibook-comic technology is improving.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I probably overstate the awfulness of it a bit. Gideon originally gave it a 7 out of 10. The impression that I get is that its just pitifully mediocre in terms of prose and storyline. Revan himself is a limp-dicked loser and Vitiate is a less interesting Nihilus, but I hear Scourge is kind of cool.
Scourge is pretty well done, but the Exile and Revan get very little justice. Revan isn't a terrible book, it's an extremely mediocre book that manages to be mediocre despite having famous established central characters. Drew did well with his ME books, but just fell flat on this one.
Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
I think with Revan he probably felt like he had to write it, just because he had to, not because he felt like he could put the emotional investment into the book like he has done in previous works.
And this is likely true. Drew's not a top tier writer, but he's not terrible either (There's a lot worse in the field). But Revan almost reads like it was obligated, not like it was a work of love.
Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
I think with Revan he probably felt like he had to write it, just because he had to, not because he felt like he could put the emotional investment into the book like he has done in previous works.
Possibly true. Revan was largely set-up for TOR, and in particular the Jedi Knight storyline, which Drew also wrote.
Also as I recall he quit soon after didn't he?