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Originally posted by ares834
The last two were caused by being a wound in the force and not actually straight up using the drain like Kreia does. Edit: Actually, yeah I remember it being addicting but not enslaving others.

And where does causing a wound in the force come from? Yes, it says the drained Jedi are empty of the force or something like that but I never equated that with being a wound.

'“Against their instincts, and sometimes against their sense.”

This is seen early in the game when you first arrive on Telos, when you get into a fight Atton acts confused afterwards because he automatically attacked alongside you without meaning to. Also seen on the Ravager with Nihilus' force slaves.

As for the Wound:

Kreia directly links being utterly cut off from the Force to being a Wound, which is what the technique does.

First, let's get this out of the way, you're probably right this drain life is not the same technique. Now with that said...

The first part with the Jedi Council is all about the Exile draining people subconsciously because of her nature. Heck, the fact that her companions are still alive mean it can not be the the technique as they are not killed by it (a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes) nor are they "drained completely".

Kreia's quote is, of course, talking about the Exile turning away from the force. The Jedi drained by the technique may be cut off from the force, but it may not be to the extent that the Exile was that she became a wound. When the Jedi and such look at the Exile they feel the "Death of the force" and other such nonsense. Malachor V, another wound, sends ripples throughout the galaxy. When the Exile investigates the drained Jedi they just have no presence in the force. They do not have the apocalyptic presence that the other wounds have.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yes, he has untamed potential. But they can't display him Force-choking Ventress AND Dooku at the same time and THEN pushing them in the sabers department, then clearly giving Anakin and Kenobi a hard time, as well, out-dueling them, and THEN being so easily defeated by Maul and get his arm chopped off by Kenobi whilst fighting with Maul at his side... It just seems that when Maul gets in the picture, Opress somehow becomes much less intimidating and powerful.

A featless character has nothing to say that they could accomplish something, but also nothing to say they could not.

No contradiction.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yes, he has untamed potential. But they can't display him Force-choking Ventress AND Dooku at the same time and THEN pushing them in the sabers department, then clearly giving Anakin and Kenobi a hard time, as well, out-dueling them, and THEN being so easily defeated by Maul and get his arm chopped off by Kenobi whilst fighting with Maul at his side... It just seems that when Maul gets in the picture, Opress somehow becomes much less intimidating and powerful.

The instance with Maul was very probably one of circumstance. Savage did not seek to challenge Maul but was reluctant to be subordinate to anyone. Undoubtedly Maul is the greater warrior (which was the point of the scene), but I rather doubt he could win that easily in a no holds barred brawl.

I don't suppose anyone has the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia do they? And could look up the section on Energy Trap, could they?

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2013/02/homeless-hitchhiking-hatchet-hero-kai-gives-best-interview-ever

He's a folk hero.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't suppose anyone has the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia do they? And could look up the section on Energy Trap, could they?

Sounds like some bullshit out of Harry Potter or something. Star Wars is so dead.

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Was horrified myself. Didn't expect encyclopedia to contain something like that.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Sounds like some bullshit out of Harry Potter or something. Star Wars is so dead.

Star Wars is gay and dead.

Yeah. they sure Canada'd up the series

I know, eh?

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yes, he has untamed potential. But they can't display him Force-choking Ventress AND Dooku at the same time

That was his raw power which took those 2 by surprise when he just unleashed it all like that.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
and THEN pushing them in the sabers department, then clearly giving Anakin and Kenobi a hard time, as well, out-dueling them,

He wasn't out-dueling them. One of them chopped off his horn, whilst he didn't touch either of them with his Saber. They were giving ground because they were fighting defensively in a tight corridor against his full rage and tremendous strength.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
and THEN being so easily defeated by Maul and get his arm chopped off by Kenobi whilst fighting with Maul at his side... It just seems that when Maul gets in the picture, Opress somehow becomes much less intimidating and powerful.

Maul is by far the greater saber duelist. (But I still think Opress's Force Waves were considerably more powerful than Maul's Force TK). But I guarantee he was studying Opress's moves for some time before he brought up the challenge for apprenticeship.

Spoiler:
the real reason for such a quick stomp is it was a last minute addition to the episode. Filoni and Witwer didn't think it sounded right Maul calling Opress "Brother." And that "Apprentice" would sound much more Sith-Like.

And Obi-Wan is of course a far more skilled swordsman and combatant than Opress. But Opress didn't unleash his Force powers on him in that fight. Maybe he didn't get a chance. Or maybe because of his lack of focus he would have hit Maul too. Dunno.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That was his raw power which took those 2 by surprise when he just unleashed it all like that.

He did at first, but then they started dueling and he was pushing them back both. Although, it was very quick and you can't really see or analyse the situation.

He wasn't out-dueling them. One of them chopped off his horn, whilst he didn't touch either of them with his Saber. They were giving ground because they were fighting defensively in a tight corridor against his full rage and tremendous strength.

He was giving them a hard time, he was pushing them backwards. It is quite clear he had the upper hand. You can't prove they were giving him ground. As far as we can tell by watching the duel, he was outdueling them. Yet, Kenobi alone managed to out-duel both Opress and Maul, taking his arm in the process.

Maul is by far the greater saber duelist. (But I still think Opress's Force Waves were considerably more powerful than Maul's Force TK). But I guarantee he was studying Opress's moves for some time before he brought up the challenge for apprenticeship.

Spoiler:
the real reason for such a quick stomp is it was a last minute addition to the episode. Filoni and Witwer didn't think it sounded right Maul calling Opress "Brother." And that "Apprentice" would sound much more Sith-Like.

What Tempest said makes actually more sense. He's right.

And Obi-Wan is of course a far more skilled swordsman and combatant than Opress. But Opress didn't unleash his Force powers on him in that fight. Maybe he didn't get a chance. Or maybe because of his lack of focus he would have hit Maul too. Dunno.

Exactly my point; we know Kenobi is in fact the better combatant by a significant margin... Yet, even with Skywalker's aid, they were not even close to defeat Opress. Even with all his rage, it doesn't make sense. Again, it's fair to mention that it was a very brief duel, and it's not possible to truly judge it.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian

What Tempest said makes actually more sense. He's right.

I don't think he is actually. Because the novel confirms Opress was giving killing blows.

If you see how Maul changes his fighting style to take down Opress, I think it makes much more sense that he had likely been studying his predictable combat style for some time so knew the best way to deal with him.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The Clone Wars is full of Harry Potter magic. Mother Talzin uses transfiguration, conjuration, and necromancy.

Star Wars is gay and dead.

Here lies Star Wars

1977 - 2008

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Looks great.

Looks dumb.